Nanakidarkangel

WJK WJF I’m taking Amrit on 20th June this year so basically in 3 weeks. At Gurdwara GNNSJ Birmingham one on Soho Road. My question is has anyone taken amrit from that gurdwara? What should I expect? Anything I should know do’z and dont’z. I’m nerves because my Punjabi is not that good so if I knew how everything is done at GNNSJ that would be great. Also is it best to stay there over night a couple of days etc Thank you Nanaki

So, I was looking for videos on the Punjabi language and came across this one it’s interesting take a look. Mini-documentary

The thing is I regard dancing as something spiritual and I'm trying to be open minded about the Namdhari gone wild but I can't help thinking it's wrong. In Sikhism it's always about disciplining yourself, what Guru Gobind Singh Ji says. (E.G. don't give into your hormones think of others as your Paji or Panji etc when your young along those lines) - therefore dancing like that - would it not be unacceptable. Then I'm thinking I've got double standards when it comes to Sufism and ere dancing, I'm like that must be some cool spiritual experience ere having. I no I'm a hypocrite!!!

I've said this in a different post (Bulleh Shah's Poetry - mentions of Dasam Patshah) + (And I think that one was by you to) so I'm going to Copy and Paste it - ONE misinterpretation in Bachittar Natak of 'Jo hum ko parmeswar uchare teh sab narak kund main par hai.' many people translate that as anyone who calls Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj God will go to hell. JO HUM KO - 'HUM' - those people who call themselves God, this body HUM. JO HUM KO PARMESWAR UCHARE, those people who call themselves god like Ram Rahim, Nirankari, TEH SAB NARAK KUND MAIN PAR HAI - it's them who are going to be filling up hell, not a Sikh who's got SHARDHA(faith) from Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj. And also................ There must be something wrong here because God aka Waheguru can't get angry this contradicts what the Guru's say about God - I'm going to check the translation again.

Then, is that not the misunderstanding of "as you put it mainstream Sikhs". The thing is I thought the same I asked an aunty she said the same thing, looked on the net it said the same thing so I automatically thought well that's right. "Whoever calls Guru Gobind Singh parmesar will fall into the deepest pits of Hell" But then I was listening to this lecture by this Nihang Sikh, and he was talking about this misconception many Sikhs have about this line in the Bachittar Natak. So as curiosity killed the cat, I had to find out for myself, I did some research spoke to other Nihang Sikhs and they basically said the same thing. Also that translations of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and the Dasam Granth should be updated.

So came across this crazy video has anyone seen it. Any idea what’s going on because I’m a bit confused, I don’t know it’s like Namdhari/Sufism if you get what I mean!!!! Its a really old vid so I bet some of you guys have seen it and can enlighten me. :shock: Nanaki

Thanks, btw is there any websites I can check............?????

My cousin sisters going to India and I wanted her to bring me back a Gutka with banis from the Dasam Granth. ( She going for Baba Deep Singh Jis B-Day, she believes in the Baba Ji from Birmingham and after three girls she's had a son bla bla I'm happy for her lol ) Chandi di Var and Akal Ustad the main banis I'm looking for. I've heard that Shiromani Gurdwara Parbhandak Committee print them, but it would be great if someone could give me a name of a Gutka Sahib they have or a website I'm having no luck Any feed back will be greatly appreciated............... Thanks Nanaki

Ummmmmm interesting I know about Ram Rahim, I was asking about Sant Baba Ranjit Singh if HE is just preaching the message of Sikhi or a FAKE??? Thanks anyway Shaheediyan and das Wjk Wjf Nanaki

My friends have been talking about a guy called Ram Rahim and I know the basics about him that he's an idiot - no offence. The conversation goes on to my friend comparing Sant Baba Ranjit Singh to him (RR) going on about them(Sants) all being the same. So, I've never heard of this guy and from what I 'have' heard lately there is a lot of controversy around him. Can someone clear the air for me........

Firstly great post I love Sufi/Punjabi poetry and it's great to get some background information. Secondly this is to Kam1825, there's one misinterpretation in Bachittar Natak of 'Jo hum ko parmeswar uchare teh sab narak kund main par hai.' many people translate that as anyone who calls Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj God will go to hell. JO HUM KO - 'HUM' - those people who call themselves God, this body HUM. JO HUM KO PARMESWAR UCHARE, those people who call themselves god like Ram Rahim, Nirankari, TEH SAB NARAK KUND MAIN PAR HAI - it's them who are going to be filling up hell, not a Sikh who's got SHARDHA(faith) from Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj. Sorry just wanted to clear the misinterpretation up! Wjk Wjf!!!

But then is Raja Ram Chander - Lord Rama ???

A quick question not going into too much detail……. Relating to the Sri Dasam Granth – Bachitar Natak, Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji speaks about two rulers in India named LAVA and KUSHU son of Raja Ram Chander son of Raja Dasrath. I’ve also being reading Ramayana after watching it on NDTV anyway in that Lord Rama has two son’s from his partner Sita, Lava and Kushu. The question is both Guru Gobind Singh Ji and the author of the Ramayana state that Lava was the founder of the city Lahore – which is thought to be named after him. IN BOTH STORY’S ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT THE SAME BROTHERS?? Thanks Nanaki

Don’t quote me because I’m not sure about the facts but in ?India? a great Sufi Sant is buried named Rumi it is a place where people from all religions come together and sing the praise of God. – I saw this documentary but can’t remember the facts it was five years back Anyway this video has nothing to do with that but NF Ali Khan doing Qwaali/Kiratn in a Gurdwara Shabd by Bhagat Kabir – Enjoy. Nanaki "So I back tracked and the Sant is not Rumi, but Amir Khusro 13th Century Sufi poet buried in Dehli - but the rest is the same" - UPDATED

I’m very open minded when it comes to Sikh artwork, not trying to disrespect anyone else’s views. Some people have problems accepting our Gurus drawn in cartoon form but if you go back in history and look at some of the artwork of gurus in that period, some of it is very cartoony. I came across this website, where the artist’s Bhagat Singh, drawings are really graphic. http://prince911.deviantart.com/ http://sikhiart.blogspot.com/ The one of Mai Bhago Kaur really cool – maybe we can have a Khalsa comic book to education our children. My daughter would love that, in this day and age with batman and wonder woman, that’s what our children find cool – that fantasy figure they want to be. It’s wonderful enough telling our children about our history, but words only go so far – as to looking at pictures with every one obsessed over the TV, internet, blackberry etc. I think art is a really good way to educate. OK – back to the pictures there’s bat singh and a action hero type called KES Check it out!!!!!!!!!!!! Nanaki