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BhagatSingh

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  1. Sant Kabir ji says - ਜਨਨੀ ਜਾਨਤ ਸੁਤੁ ਬਡਾ ਹੋਤੁ ਹੈ ਇਤਨਾ ਕੁ ਨ ਜਾਨੈ ਜਿ ਦਿਨ ਦਿਨ ਅਵਧ ਘਟਤੁ ਹੈ ॥ ਮੋਰ ਮੋਰ ਕਰਿ ਅਧਿਕ ਲਾਡੁ ਧਰਿ ਪੇਖਤ ਹੀ ਜਮਰਾਉ ਹਸੈ ॥੧॥ The mother thinks her son is becoming big, but she does not realize that his life is getting shorter and shorter. She loves her son but Death just looks at her affection for her son and laughs. So should mothers stop caring for their sons? Death is hovering around above all our activities - We post on Sikhawareness forums, but the noose of the Yamraj is around our neck, tightening with every breath. We go driving to work along the way, but the death is counting down our days. Should we stop posting on Sikh awareness and stop driving and working and everything we do? No Guru Sahib is simply saying to be mindful of our death at all times. Try to understand what Gurbani is teaching rather than using it as ammunition to advance your argument.
  2. Bhaji, thanks for the background info. It's good to know. However. Let's take the first two akshar Guru Granth Sahib. Ik Onkar Why are our "scholars" pronouncing this as Ik Oaankar? Anyone who knows even the basics of Gurmukhi knows that this pronunciation is wrong. Please list them out. Let's see what we are working with. I already said I would love to talk to them. I'll be the first to admit I don't know everything. My knowledge regarding this is a work in progress. I am constantly learning and the information I find is like finding crude oil. That's why I am here trying to refine that oil by look at all possible angles of attack, all possible weaknesses in the hypothesis, and taking guidance from Akal Purakh sahib himself. Singh, it is very easy to kick someone who is already down, and who is trying to get up on their feet and find their way in to new territory.
  3. The way Bhangra is normally done in parties is neechpuna. So he is correct there. But if Sant ji said the art of Bhangra itself is neechpuna then he is wrong, and I would like a word with him. But this idea of whether mahapurakh has said something... Let's do a thought experiement. Suppose Guru Nanak Dev ji comes back and makes a post that Dance is A OK for Sikhs. You read his comment and you do not recognize him. And you say "no" and list all your arguments. In that scenario - What would Guru Sahib have to say to you, in order to convince you that he doesn't think dancing or Bhangra is an issue here?
  4. There's an easier way. http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=1&p=0&k=2 In srigranth, just click on the word and the mahankosh meaning will open up along with punjabi dictionary. You can also load Prof Sahib singh and Farid Kote teekas in there, from the top-right menu options. There are multiple different translations. It's a good website.
  5. What makes you say that? Taksali way of pronunciation seems easy to me. Maybe not for those who grew up in the west, but it's very easy for a punjabi speaker. Sure. But first I want to poke as many holes in to my own theory as possible. Because if my hypothesis is wrong, then there is no point in going higher up. I want to make sure it stands from all possible angles of attack, only then it's worth sharing with scholars. So for that I need your help.
  6. @dalsingh101 That's not an argument. And neither is this. Gatka as it is performed in nagar kirtans is also a dance form. What bhai sahib is talking about exists in the body also. The 5 thieves and thought forms which pull us in different directions also have bodily components. This is because we are embodied souls. The 5 Thieves are self-preservation tactic of the body. So to orient the body and have it dance in tune with the order of Akal Purakh sahib is key.
  7. @paapiman You guys are the ones making that claim that Guru Gobind Singh ji taught it your way. So the onus is on you guys to provide evidence that he did. Like I said the sihari at the end of Hari or any other Siharis in general, they are pronounced as the i in Tin. It is the short e sound. For example, I pronounce - immediately as ਇਮੀਡਿਏਟਲਿ The stress is on the mme so it is a Bihari. All other e sounds are siharis. I pronounce that y in immediately as a short e sound (Sihari). But in some accents, that y is pronounced as an - eh - like immediateleh - similar to how you and paapiman pronounce Siharis. Which is different from - Bee - pronounced as - ਬੀ Different Punjabi speakers that come from different geographical locations, they have their own way to pronounce consonants and vowels. You and Paapiman thinking that your way to pronounce Sihari is the correct way, is ignoring your own inherent dialectical bias.
  8. Actually you can do Bhagti while dancing or doing bhangra. While you are performing the steps, your mind is free to do naam simaran. So what about ਨਚਿਐ ਟਪਿਐ ਭਗਤਿ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥? This verse is referring to the Monkey mind. The dancing mind, meaning the mind that is moving from one thought form to the next, cannot do Bhagti. We know this is referring to the mind, because right in the next tuk it says - ਸਬਦਿ ਮਰੈ ਭਗਤਿ ਪਾਏ ਜਨੁ ਸੋਇ ॥੩॥ When you kill your mind in the Anhad Shabad then Bhagti is obtained. @Lucky knows all about how to die in the Anhad Shabad. He posts about it in meditation experience thread. @paapiman @Soulfinder @dalsingh101
  9. Farid Kote Teeka and Mahan Kosh are a deadly combination for studying Guru Granth Sahib.
  10. Well those specific viewpoints are becoming mainstream now but that mentality has existed in sikhs as a parasite for a long time. The specific viewpoints are only extensions of the deep-rooted, parasitic metality. In Guru Granth Sahib Gurus encourage us to focus our attention on God. They say to bring that element in to our rituals and practices. But what this parasitic mentality thinks is that we should not do those rituals at all. And this mentality will eat up our rituals. Newer generations who are fed on a diet of this parasite will eat us up if we are not careful to remove it.
  11. I am not familiar with his speeches but these videos are purposely created to distort. Creator of the video, just takes one line out of context. In the first video he says, "Naam abhyas is not everything." Ok, so where is the rest of that speech? What other things does he add to Naam abhyas? No mention of that. No context. As Sikhs, we should already know from the 3 Pillars of Sikhism that Naam abhyas is not everything, and that there is Sharing Wealth and Wisdom, and Truthful actions that go with Naam Abhyas. Did Dhadhrianwale say you shouldn't do Naam Abhyas? because that would be something. If so, where did he say that?
  12. You are pronouncing Sihari like Lav, whereas for the rest of us Sihari is defined as a chhoti Bihari and Lan is a chhota Dulav.  But like I explained earlier, dialect and personal preference change that. Sihari is pronounced in two ways - Some people say Sikh, some people say Sekh. Some people say Vich, some people say Vech. Some people say Pind, some people say Pend. If you or your parents are/were from a Pind, you are probably saying the latter - Sekh, Vech, Pend. The rest of us say it like the former, Sikh, Vich, Pind. There are many dialects like this that pronounce letters and consonants differently. For example with the word - ਭਾਈ Some say PPai, some say Bhai, some say BBai Which version do you say?  Guru Gobind Singh ji did not teach any one way to pronounce it. I was taught in Muharni that Sihari is pronounced as Chhoti Bihari and not as a Lav, which is a Chhotta Dulav. But I recognize that there are different dialects and ways of pronunciation, so I say it can work both ways. Both you and Samurai are being a bit too anal about it, and are not recognizing your inherent dialect.
  13. Well in the audio sample you posted in the other thread, there were several issues I had with the Taksal's way of pronouncing things. Becoming a patthi should be a difficult task. You should be well versed with the words that are in Gurbani that come from different languages. And you should know how they are pronounced in those languages. If you are the Patthi, you have a big responsibility on your shoulders, and if you are being lazy about it, that's not good for the panth. The individual panth members should also learn the correct pronunciation of Gurbani. But the primary responsibility falls on the scholars.
  14. You are pronouncing Sihari like Lav, whereas for the rest of us Sihari is defined as a chhoti Bihari and Lan is a chhota Dulav. But like I explained earlier, dialect and personal preference change that. Sihari is pronounced in two ways - Some people say Sikh, some people say Sekh. Some people say Vich, some people say Vech. Some people say Pind, some people say Pend. If you or your parents are/were from a Pind, you are probably saying the latter - Sekh, Vech, Pend. The rest of us say it like the former, Sikh, Vich, Pind. There are many dialects like this that pronounce letters and consonants differently. For example with the word - ਭਾਈ Some say PPai, some say Bhai, some say BBai Which version do you say?
  15. Yea it took me years to confirm whether Siharis should be pronounced. I wouldn't know where to begin with the topic. I guess my main question would be - why do you not pronounce the siharis at the end of the word when it is critical to the meaning? I have never found a good answer for that. Anyone of your santhya teachers know the answer to this? Do you think becoming a paathi should be an easy task?
  16. I would love to. How would I go about doing that? I must correct you there, I am not "by myself" lol. 1. I have got the literature of Nirmalas and Mahan kosh with me. 2. I have got that Force, which animates us, forcing me learn more about this. 3. Much of what I say is already rooted in our language. For example, with the Sihari which I am 99% sure is pronounced, we already pronounce it in everyday life. The example I like to use is - ਮੂਰਤਿ - which we pronounce as - moorti. And we say - ਨਾਲਿ ਚਲ - naale chal ਸਾਡੇ ਘਰਿ ਅਾਉ - saade ghare aao ਭਗਤਿ ਕਰੋ - bhagti karo We already pronounce the sihari everywhere. 4. We already know the Sihari changes the meaning of the word, so it is critical to understanding the spoken word. ਭਗਤ bhagat has a different meaning than ਭਗਤਿ bhagti. 5. It all started when Bhai Jagraj Singh from Basics of Sikhi made the comment in one of his talks that the sihari on ਸਤਿ indicates the yayya. And here I am now.
  17. Well I don't want to say that they are all wrong and I am right because when I read srigranth.org I obtain my understanding from them. I am a big fan of the Fareed Kote Teeka which was written by a nirmalas. So I get my knowledge from them and they know infinitely more than me. However the things I have found out cast a huge shadow of doubt on the current way we pronounce gurbani. And I am trying to find out - 1. What is the correct way? because Gurbani pronunciation is extremely important. and 2. Where did we go wrong? because that will help us understand why our standardized pronunciation needs to change.
  18. Par lavange maharaj but Guru Granth Sahib is older. They don't use Jajja pair bindi. They just use Jajja and possibly Dadda, wherever there is a Za sound. You have to remember that back in the goold old days, everything was Oral and people didn't exactly know how to read or write. So when Guru Granth Sahib was written, Guru sahib assumed you would know how to pronounce the words already. It is completely flipped on its head nowadays. We have no strong oral tradition of those Bhasha, we have no idea idea how to pronounce the words and so we read whatever we want into it. So I am trying to find out how to read Gurbani accurately. I use Kahn SIngh ji's Mahan Kosh to figure out the pronunciations.
  19. Why would they? There is no Zazza is the script of Guru Granth Sahib. They either use Dadda or Jajja, which are close enough. Just like they don't use Addak or Bindi or Pairi Haha, a lot of the time but it is there. Bindi and Pairi Haha are in the script but like Zazza, Addak is not. Please elaborate.
  20. Which artist are you referring to? Having an epiphany or a purpose given by Akal Purakh sahib doesn't mean you ignore your condition and do stupid actions. I also have a few stomachs to fill and have to put the roof over our head. Soon my family will be growing and so I need to earn more for the newcomers as well. I give away art every now and then and donate it to various art fundraisers, gurdwaras and galleries. I also offered it to you. But at the same time, I also have to earn some money in order to create more art. I remember when I was studying in medical field, I did not get much time to paint.
  21. Do you know that Gurbani has words from different languages? My view is that these words should be pronounced the way they are in their native language (or as close to that as possible).
  22. You gotta read Guru Granth Sahib with meanings about 5 times and apply those teachings to your life, then wealth will automatically come. Wealth follows Wisdom. So follow Wisdom and Wealth will come. Once you get it, remember to share it also.
  23. Haha in that case you should realize that people have been underpaying artists this whole time! Btw he also sells for 60 bucks, if I remember correctly. So buy that option until you save up for the bigger option.
  24. Oh so in your view Naam is realized when the Anhad Shabad is heard all the time? You are saying one should try to listen to the internal anhad shabad all the time? And doing so would require one to meditate all the time. One would have to constantly be alert to their Jyoti and be relaxed in order to hear it. I see what you are saying. And now I see where @HisServant is coming from. Did you come to this insight yourself? or was it recommended by another Gursikh or Mahapurakh?
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