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Bijla Singh

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    Bijla Singh got a reaction from shastarSingh in Gurmat and the Gita   
    Can you prove that it was mandatory for people to worship sargun form? Truth remains the same and is independent of time. If one way is the correct way then it cannot become false over time. It will remain truth. Guru Nanak Sahib preached Nirgun worship which is the greatest path of all. It will not become a false way when kalyug (time) is over and satyug arrives. According to your statement people will have to go back to sargun worship once kalyug is over which is not correct. Gurmat Path is Achal and will never be shaken by time.



    If you can please post the Gurmukhi text next time it would be great as it is better to find it and understand its context but the translation clearly proves that in earlier time periods people indulged in empty rituals but these are all waste of time. Only Naam is the savior. It does not prove that what people did in earlier times was right. On the contrary, Bhai Sahib Ji is saying that just because your ancestors practiced a certain path or performed rituals doesn’t mean it is the correct way and you should follow it also, rather seek the sanctuary of Naam. It is not possible that a certain way to reach God suddenly becomes invalid when a time period changes. If what people did in earlier ages is right then we would have to declare widow burning, human sacrifice, slavery, child marriage etc correct. Muslims use the same excuse to justify Mohammad’s marriage to 9 years old girl. Further, the translation makes it clear that human cannot be the savior no matter how high avastha he has.

    Quotes you provide from Geeta show that Krishna (assuming he wrote it) is not above haumai and always talking about himself as the Supreme Being. Then why did he die? He couldn’t even reverse a Durbasa’s curse. It is very simple: one who dies cannot save anyone else. It would be better just to discuss Geeta in its own context and not compare it to Guru Granth Sahib. Geeta is a book but Gurbani is Satguru, revealed word of God.
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    Bijla Singh got a reaction from shastarSingh in Gurmat and the Gita   
    The translation is wrong. Check Bhai Veer Singh’s teeka of Vaars in which he translates “Jug Jug” as 2+2=4 which means Satguru will change 4 more human bodies. Sikhs are questioning Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji about how many more ‘cholas’ will the Satguru change and Guru Sahib replies that 4 more. Then the Guru Light passed to the Shabad.

    I don’t want to turn this in another long debate but check the description and qualities of Satguru in the light of Gurbani and Vaars. Avtars come and go but Satguru doesn’t. Satguru (true Guru) always remains awake and is beyond birth and death. Gurbani, Bhatts and Vaars call Guru Nanak Sahib the true Satguru who is the greatest. For some reason sampardas like to put Guru Sahib in the same category of avtars but Gurbani says otherwise. Satguru is “Aap Narayan Kaladhaar..” whereas avtars are creation of Waheguru and have limited powers and at the end are destroyed by kaal but Satguru is creator of kaal. Creator and creation are not the same.

    Anyways, can anyone prove that Geeta was written by Krishna himself?
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