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AKJ Fairy tales ..i still dont understand what has 84 got to do with rss ..are these akj congress stooges ..the pogrom was carried out by the congress . If i were to quote Khushwant singh the rss has saved Sikhs is what he had to say. http://www.outlookindia.com/article/victory-to-the-mob/228338

Mallko jantra has to be siddh for it to be effective ...my sincere request keep off this stuff...it diverts you from spirituality to trading with religion and the Powers of the world . As Giani Thakur singh ji has mentioned in his kathas those spiritual simran methods are better 5 times Jaap sahib ....5 times Bhagouti Ashtotar ...32 paath of Brahm kavach ... I know people may comment to say that we have to do bhagti and not be merchants to count however when there is some thing troubling us relying on the Banis is much better

It depends on the exposure , my wife is of Marathi origin too so i converse in Marathi at home even with my daughter because i was born in Maharashtra and have pride about the culture and the saints and warriors it has given to the society.

It is common is old Sindh Tikana as they call their Gurughars

Yes they revere all the Gurus of course but if i am not wrong they have been influenced from the Udasi Panth of Baba Srichand ji , it is just like the Nihangs who revere all the Gurus however their focus is Guru Gobindsingh ji .

I speak , read and write Marathi fluently ..the 'abhangs' of the Saints of the Warkari sampradaay feel like Gurbani in Marathi ..very divine.

Bhaa ji it is just the way of saying things and the way to interpret that matters ...i use to get pissed off with her posts too..but we all should then understand the reasons too..it is no easy to be a Sikh ...she has travelled long and is taking pains to learn things ..we all disagree and agree on a lot of things and that the same case with her ..

Sindhi Sikhs are Nanakpanthi ...they are being 'whitewashed ' too by our SGPC these days , i am part of a jatha which has Sindhi Sikhs in higher numbers than keshdhari Sikhs ..they are pretty much more committed and its like if you ask them bhai ki haal aa..they answer back Guru Nanak sahib ki full kirpa ! :) I use to live in Mumbai years back and there was a Sindhi Gurughar with a 5 feet high Guru Nanakdev ji's moorti

I now understand Satkirin, however the conversations before positioned you as a feminist . I am glad to hear you are talking of balance . Going further this too will come . What have been typically male bastions have gradually changed and i am sure these institutions too will change. For that the society needs a big change too since women are reluctant too, so lets keep it neutral like this with everyone . Guys i hope you hear her out ..lets not villainize her

The bindi is a nasal pronunciation , it wont change in the meaning in this case and most people do say it without the nasal pronunciation most times except for the UP and Bihar belt .

Generation to Generation things change and the change you are looking at has started on a small scale in the types like 3ho. I am neutral to this since i feel i cant stop anyone from thinking in this way and i dont think its a bad idea too. Do you know what people here are not agreeing to ? its the way you are pushing ideas. Everyone has a different way to look at the Gurus and their message, for you the equality part matters for someone else the spiritual . My wife looks at Guru Nanak with respect since He made it clear that one has to be a family man and not run away from their duties. For me like many others it is the message to worship the One Oankaar and not criticizing others entities . We all know you are feminist and nothing wrong with that but lets discuss things the way they have to be and not add feminist or other angles . Let discussions sail smooth, disagreements are fine. I have my disagreement but lets appreciate the fact that the crowd here is mature. Settle down, none of us here are wife beaters or some orthodox desperadoes with women in the veil at home. Peace ...Peace ...Peace ...Waheguru Bless you and help you and everyone to be a better human being.

Everything is given there ...if you read the posts again and if you are a Sikh enough you will be able to understand. Horses are jaan bhai are in no way will ever be consumed. Guru Nanak was against forcing belief on others ...what makes you say that ? i know you are using this statement in a general way and hitting hard where you want to . Look man i care 2 hoots what you eat ...even if you are a keshdhari and eating halal it wont bother me .I seen enough of those types too.

Its upto you bro, i understand when you are brought up in a non indian environment abroad its difficult to relate to sacredness of the cow . With beef available in abundant around and with friends all munching on burgers and jerky its difficult to be not influenced .

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/downloads/Gurbani/Uggardanti.pdf XhI dyh AwigAw qurkn gih KpwaUN ]gaU Gwq kw doK jg isauN imtwaUN ]ieh hukm idE ik qurkW nUM mwr imtWvW [gaU mwrn dw duK swry sMswr ivcoN imtw dyvW [Command me to kill and destroy the Turks (Muslims).Eliminate the killing of the cow from the entire universe.rtoN ins idnw jwp qumrw BvwnI ]qumn crn moN pRIiq hmrI lgwnI ]qyry nwm dw jwp mYN rwq idn krW AY BvwnI (mW) [qyry crnw'c myrI pRIq lgI rvyH [I repeat your name day and night O Bhawani.Your (sacred) feet will remain my focus of devoted love.krhu hir BvwnI jgq kI sMBwry ]hmn duSt doKI sBn hoihM Cwry ]hy pRBU BvwnI qUM jgq dI sMBwlxw kryN [swfy duSt doKI jo hn auh swry (suAwh) Kqm ho jwx [O Godly Bhawani (you should) sustain the universe.All our evil enemies ought to perish.sdw srbdw crx qumry iDAwaUN ]qumn imhr isauN dust sgly KpwaUN ]mYN sdw hI qyry crnw dw iDAwn Drdw rhW [qyrI imhr nwl hI swry duStW dw nws krW [I should always contemplate on your feet.With your blessing I shall destroy all the wicked.XhI Aws pUrn krhu qum hmwrI ]imtY kst gaUAn CutY Kyd BwrI ]ieho myrI ie`Cw qusIN pUrI kro [gaU, kSt Aqy BwrI duK qoN mukiq ho jwvy [Grant me this boon.Relieve the cow of agony and all ailments. XhI bynqI Kws hmrI suxIjY ]Asur mwr kr r`C gaUAn krIjY ]ieho myrI Kws Arz suxo [rwkiSSW (AsurW) nUM mwrky gaU (grIb) dI rkSW kro [Kindly adhere to my specific request.Annihilate the evil demons and safeguard the cow (destitute).

Uggardanti bani of Guru Gobindsingh ji if i am not wrong twice talks about protection of cows. Rachh gauann karijay...is what is mentioned if i correctly mentioned. Also ...Gau ghaat siyo jag ko bachau..if i can remember that correctly.

this is the tough way to learn ...now you married a Punjabi speaking guy..you can ask him to help you converse..dont worry Sat things will get okay..i could speak punjabi but learnt reading directly recognizing alphabets

daru rss waaleya ne hi pilaayi hoygi..

It all depends on what we project, the people who do parchar do they demonstrate the key points. We keep on going we are Sikhs we dont cut kes ...but do we tell them the power of Mool Mantar ? How many Gurdwaras have mool mantar meditation sessions ? The USP we cash on now is the langar ..but we need to show how Sikhi can change your life.

Thats fine , i understand . If you are on the Gurdwara board you have sangat and are getting along with them then its all good for you provided you dont get into any conflict with how things are working. I didnt know 3ho would wear white all the time, tell us your experience being on the board how people look at having you there etc. lets talk some general things too.

I am a non amritdhari from a hindu background , i too cannot do a lot of things which amritdharis can do . I have to sort this out myself. I had suggested you once that you should get in touch with 3ho , they are more open to a number of issues. I dont judge them as i dont judge anyone else . Its upto you to decide what you feel is better. Pages and pages of arguments will not lead you or the sangat here anywhere , lets discuss what we feel is positive.

Arguing wont take you anywhere my friend , the time we spend arguing can be utilized reading something worthwhile. I had a few feminists in my circle and am well acquainted to how they think so your posts didn't surprise me . There are many reasons to a lot of things , choose the best leave the rest.

Wanda !!!!! yaar thoda ghat likkho...inna parhh nahi sakda...( dear friend please write a little less ..cant read so much ) see how i am going to make you familiar with Punjabi.. the thing is what i meant by slander was not you were like actually purposefully slandering . The Punjabis use terms to address the Gurus which mean respect. in your arguments what you dont realize is when you talk about body parts and a number of things in relation to the Gurus , it is certainly not taken in a respectful manner. You differences with any jatha is not my point. I completely understand it is difficult for you to follow certain concepts, but please understand that this is not islam that the ulema is the sole authority to decide how you should follow Dharam. The reason for conflict with the types of Sarabjit dhunda and Darshan ragi is , it couild be a personal matter when a person may not want to accept certain parts of Gurbani. HOwever it is a serious offense to organize mass conventions to drill their concepts in a offensive way. They have used words like porn to term Gurbani and even gone so low as to sing Jaap sahib adding derogatory words and making fun of the bani. With little idea of Indic values you tend to convey things in a manner which is hurting feelings. I am not demeaning you and your faith but please dont be so argumentative and aggressively take feminism as your religion. Sikhi in one line for me is ...Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi...(Its You ..Its You...Its You..Its You - Bani Sri Akaal Ustat Sahib by Sri Guru Gobindsingh ji Maharaj adressing Akaal Purakh ). No Man ..No Woman...Only AkaaaL....AkaaaaL....AkaaaL....AkaaaL...

Thanks Kaur ji .

i too knew of the Gur Gayatri mantar from the Jaap Sahib, very powerful. I learnt driving chanting the mantar.

Sounds great i too will contribute.