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I have had those too, sudden jerks in different limbs. I haven't had it in full body though.
That's something different. I am talking about vibrations in the whole body.
edit: Make machine gun sounds with your mouth and notice how it vibrates the mouth, the cheeks. Now imagine this happening all over the body, and you also hear the machine gun type sounds in deep pitch, high volume.

I had this dream once where I saw Shri Hari in dark form, awe-inspiring that soon became frightening as I got pulled into this whirlpool below Him. As I get pulled into it I become surrounded by more and more darkness and the above vibration and sounds start happening.

I have been to india in the past few years and I have seen that people put their sant as god. Some even say that Sants are higher than the guru. They matha tek to the Sants etc. Many of the Sants are real Sants who do bhagti but their chelas are crazy. I would get beat by some chelas if I didn't respect their sant.

This is just outrageous! Trying to make sense out of this and it is just unexplainable!
We have goons in disguise of fake and rotten singhs. This is a new challenge for the panth. Not that this totally new, but this is on the rise given the recent incidents, This could also be a sign that the fake baba deras are about to crumble and these goons are on the run now.

Hinduism is not one religion. It is a vast ocean, some people do hold the Manusmriti in high regard. How else would you explain the century long opression of Dalits by Hindus?
The lines you have quoted try to explain bigoted Hindus like yourself that the real Brahmin (i.e. learned one) is the one who loves God and the real Shudar (i.e. outcaste, lowly person) is the one who is greedy and far from God.

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣੁ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਜੋ ਬਿੰਦੇ ਹਰਿ ਸੇਤੀ ਰੰਗਿ ਰਾਤਾ ॥
सो ब्राहमणु ब्रहमु जो बिंदे हरि सेती रंगि राता ॥
He alone is a Brahmin, who knows the Lord Brahma, and is attuned to the Love of the Lord.
Guru Amar Das, 68, Guru Granth Sahib

ਬਬਾ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਜਾਨਤ ਤੇ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ॥
बबा ब्रहमु जानत ते ब्रहमा ॥
BABBA: One who knows God is a Brahmin.
Guru Arjan Dev, 258, Guru Granth Sahib
The discussion is closed by the following Shabad, moorakh Hindus like you who deny the truth can continue crying:

ਗਰਭ ਵਾਸ ਮਹਿ ਕੁਲੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਤੀ ॥ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਬਿੰਦੁ ਤੇ ਸਭ ਉਤਪਾਤੀ ॥੧॥
ਕਹੁ ਰੇ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਬਾਮਨ ਕਬ ਕੇ ਹੋਏ ॥ ਬਾਮਨ ਕਹਿ ਕਹਿ ਜਨਮੁ ਮਤ ਖੋਏ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
ਜੌ ਤੂੰ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣੁ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਣੀ ਜਾਇਆ ॥ ਤਉ ਆਨ ਬਾਟ ਕਾਹੇ ਨਹੀ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥
ਤੁਮ ਕਤ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣ ਹਮ ਕਤ ਸੂਦ ॥ ਹਮ ਕਤ ਲੋਹੂ ਤੁਮ ਕਤ ਦੂਧ ॥੩॥
ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੈ ॥ ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣੁ ਕਹੀਅਤੁ ਹੈ ਹਮਾਰੈ ॥੪॥੭॥

In the dwelling of the womb, there is no ancestry or social status. All have originated from the Seed of God. ||1||
Tell me, O Pandit: since when have you been a Brahmin? Don't waste your life by continually claiming to be a Brahmin. ||1||Pause||
If you are indeed a Brahmin, born of a Brahmin mother, then why didn't you come by some other way? ||2||
How is it that you are a Brahmin, and I am of a low social status? How is it that I am formed of blood, and you are made of milk? ||3||
Says Kabeer, one who contemplates God, is said to be a Brahmin among us. ||4||7||
Bhagat Kabeer, 324, Guru Granth Sahib
 

I just love hearing his voice so very soothing and informative .

Waheguru ! Akaal...Akaal..Akaal.

​Though I don't support genocide, I do agree that Islam and it's followers threaten non-Islamic heritage, cultures, communities, and societies. I've seen it with my own eyes.
I doubt they'll find much in museums, since Muslims choose to obliterate almost everything non-Islamic.  

This article should be banned for Buddhismophobia and considered a hate article. Also all these are alleged crimes - why are they not called alleged in the aricle - how do we know that the Rohingya didnt just get on the boats to rape little children elsewhere and steal from their hosts in another country? It wouldnt be the first time their lot would try it..........
What do any of you know of true Buddhism? Just because you interpret your religion in the most basic fashion as anything more is too complicated, doesnt mean everyone else has to. According to your interpretation Buddhist doctors wouldnt prescribe antibiotics that kill bacteria even if it means their patient would die as that would be hurting life. Engage your brains before your mouths, Buddhism has a long history of warrior monks in dark times from Kennyo Kosa to monks of Myanmar today.
I think that it is laughable that 'SIkhs' choose to judge the brave people of Myanmar protecting their ancestor's heritage and children's future from Abrahamic garbage. Just because you lot have lost West Punjab and cant do anything without someone holding your hands doesnt mean you can do the typically Sikh thing of dragging others down to your level, especially other Asians. You cry over the Rohingya and Palestinians yet you dont remember what the Pakistanis did to you. Shame on you.

​Are the samprdais sects?
​And within these samprdais you would not been as amritdhari or sehajdhari but as a nirmala, or sewa panthi.
The term or status of sehajdhari has nothing to do with the samprdais.
Coming onto kes, sehajdharis were kesadhari, and i know that there is a line that says you shouldnt keep kes without takin pahul, but there are also historical sources that say the moghals forced hindus to shave themselves to distinguish them from the Sikhs.

Yes, sect it is.
As I said, there are 2 broad distinctions within the Panth. Amrit and sahejdhari. You can belong to some of the sampardas while being sahejdhari and some require amritdhari. I am not saying that certain sampardas = sahejdharis. Just that Sevapanthis were, for the most part of their early history, NOT amritdharis. 
About Mughals, they were not too educated about Sikhs to begin with. Don't Mughal account refers to Guru Arjan Dev as a Hindu? Besides that how does your account deny the existence of sahajdhari sikhs who didn't have kes? Mughals shaved people to differentiate hindus and khalsa, fine. But who says sahajdharis did keep kesh? Sahajdharis had much less problems than amritdharis during those times. Explains how udasis etc were able to take care of Gurdwaras when Amritdharis were busy fighting and living in jungles. 
You still have not explained how early sources mention it is not right to have kes and not be amritdhari? So a sahejdhari with kes would basically not be parvaan, but they were historically.
Bhagat Ratnavli, a spurious source to some, allow sehajdharis to cut kes but at the same time encourages them to maintain outer rehat as much as possible & most importantly making their children take pahul. 
 

​If sehajdhari were keshadhari then what about this quote
'' dhare kesh pahul bina bhekhi muda sikh mera darshan nai tis papi tyage bhikh ''
jo sikh kesh rakh lenda he amrit nai shakda oh sikh nai behrupiya he te ohnu guru sahib kadi darshan nai den gaye papi da bhgi kehlavvave ga !!!
 
This quote is clearly condemning a sikh who keep kes without amrit means 90% of today's world keshadhari sikhs

I believe they are doing the right thing...there is a limit to everything ...they are reacting to extremism which they see coming  from the muslims ...if they do not do this they will be like Afghanistan , Indonesia Malaysia those countries have to search the museums to find their Buddhist past .

One thing we need to understand is ..bodies like the missionaries, rational thinkers etc all make place when people from the Puratan mindset go overboard and do things for their personal gain or just to create a block in your mind that this is all a very tough task . I have had conversations with some paathis who will make sure you fear 'chandi' while doing paaths and that if you do something wrong it could harm you.
I was listening to Giani Thakur Singhji's katha on Sehaj Paath maryada...he lists out a good number of do's and dont's ..offerings like dried fruits etc. tuff and so on..
Since i was born hindu i have seen all this done during pooja to specific deities ..i lost interest as i felt if people put so much effort in the articles timings muharats invitations availabilitiy of the poojari ..where is the energy left for bhagti ?

I felt Naam Sirman was more fruitful. Prakash of Shastars and Guru Granth Sahib Aad , Dasam and Sarabloh done with bhagti and simplicity can always be possible .
 
One needs to balance between Puratan and rational thinking and think how he/she would be benefited otherwise anything in excess will not be giving any gain spiritually.
Too much rationality can lead to atheist attitude.

One thing we need to understand is ..bodies like the missionaries, rational thinkers etc all make place when people from the Puratan mindset go overboard and do things for their personal gain or just to create a block in your mind that this is all a very tough task . I have had conversations with some paathis who will make sure you fear 'chandi' while doing paaths and that if you do something wrong it could harm you.
I was listening to Giani Thakur Singhji's katha on Sehaj Paath maryada...he lists out a good number of do's and dont's ..offerings like dried fruits etc. tuff and so on..
Since i was born hindu i have seen all this done during pooja to specific deities ..i lost interest as i felt if people put so much effort in the articles timings muharats invitations availabilitiy of the poojari ..where is the energy left for bhagti ?

I felt Naam Sirman was more fruitful. Prakash of Shastars and Guru Granth Sahib Aad , Dasam and Sarabloh done with bhagti and simplicity can always be possible .
 
One needs to balance between Puratan and rational thinking and think how he/she would be benefited otherwise anything in excess will not be giving any gain spiritually.
Too much rationality can lead to atheist attitude.

Khwar hoye sab milenge bache saran jo hove
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Khwar hoye sab milenge bache saran jo hove
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Can you please type in english which is universally understood for the benefit of everyone

I prefer to be thoughtless...its very tough though

I prefer to be thoughtless...its very tough though

I get your point ..but if you look at the times ..people were likely to get more entangled than today.

Also, we need to understand ..the Khalsa then was not some born warrior race ..they were peasants washermen shop keepers ..from all trades ..they were not used to the tactics used to win over the enemy. This bani is like a eye opener for them, that such a thing can happen. The Mughals were known to use women to entice men and get out important information

This bani is more about the foolishness of men..who were in some important positions and got entangled. I wouldnt call it anti woman.The tales told do not curse women..but how those women were successful in fooling men.

I told you, missionaries overquestion but I also won't believe Lav reincarnated as Panj Pyara and some Bhagats came back too. Thats nonsense. Nor did 7th patshah marry 8 sisters. Confused polytheists haha

Shad yaar, mere valo sarea nu goli maar, ik rehat chahidi jo SGGS di bani te khari utardi hove bas

and before you call me a missionary
WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Excellent !!!! Very balanced and rational answers..might impressed with this Babaji

its a little conflict oriented ..but you have to be stiff..whenever she suggests with folded hands say Sat Nam Sri Waheguru and touch her feet ..do not argue and counter argue ..i too have faced this ..but mine was easier since my mom even if she consults them will not do any of their vidhi vidhaan suggested..

Man paggs are disappearing from India. Only ceremonial nowdays. Makes me sad.