MrLanda

Mate, To be honest the only way to ever learn about nihang singhs is to be one, live with them, learn what they do. Everyone will always tell you stuff but until you have lived with them it will only be knowledge, and not lived. All UK fauj have done that, stayed with them.

Due to geographical reasons, shastar vidiya has not been taught where i am located. You are clearly very lucky to have the access to Nihang Niddar Singhs classes, but nevertheless i still see the relevance of being martially astute which is why i am equipped in another field of martial art - muay thai. I totally agree when you say to live that ideal as a nihang singh, and a nihang singh is someone who covers all above stated elements, kirtan, seve, naam, etc. Not just being tyar bar tyar in jang yudh, but in other aspects too. As you know the fundamental of sikhi is naam, and we will not attain salvation just by studying a martial art. Anyway, this is diverting from the topic, you are a nihang singh also if you from the midlands area you will know all of the fauj that i too know. So i wont argue with you, as you are an upholder of purtan maryada. Again, my argument is about, those who pretend to be something they are not! Akaaal Fateh!!

I dont see the point of the question, but i will answer by saying how much have you trained in?

I do not disgaree with your points at all, i am aware of the historical references and of the fact that many never even used to wear a bana. I am not de-robing anything, as i too am a nihnag singh of the budha dal, and promote puratan maryada, tradition just like you! And i also agree that many nihang singh in india are just nangs, as in they have no gian of gurbani or like you said practice shastar vidiya!! But i think you have misunderstood my point, simply those who try to be something there are not!! Perhaps you are right, infact you are i should direct my efforts towards those nihangs who are simply not. But i still thought this had to be said, i am merely throwing them a life line a chance of realising there is something more that then just staying in your comfort zone. Example of what i mean of those trying to be something they are not. I was talking to this 'nihang'(dressed like a nihang, so i assumed he is). He then asked me if i eat meat, i replied yes as i follow the maryada of chatka. He was absolutely shocked, he then started to preach that i shouldnt and that it is wrong, and there are claims in Aad Guru Granth Sahib that agree with this. Now analysing what just happened, this is a nihang singh who is cussing his own maryada, now for those sikhs who are trying to find themselves approach such a possible. There understanding of nihangs would be somewhat confused. Imagine Baba Jathedar Baba Surjit Singh, talking to a 'nihang'(akj dressed like one) about chatka is wrong, he would end up chatka-ing him! Maybe i wont continue to cuss the akj globally, but will cuss pakhand! Even if that is the nihangs!

I dont hate them, i feel there are lost, i want to help. But they do to much beadbi of the puratan roop. People talk about being divided, it is because of the creation of the these pathetic orders we are divided, if sikhi was as it was we would not be arguing!! It is only after the britsh raj, the difference in maryda came about!! To wear the bana of the nihang singh you have to be a nihang singh There is no test, to be a nihang singh you have to administered into the Budha Dal, as in take amrit from them. This way you are follow puratan maryada, and are true to sikhi!! If an akj wears the bana thats not his, firstly maharaj will sort them out after, like i said he gets vexed, and secondly you say to them, 'what the f*k are you doing'.

Niddar is a man of supreme intelligence, his vidiya is awesome, however there are aspects that i do not agree with. He is not RSS or whatever, he is one man trying revive history! You and everybody talks about panthis ekta, we already had this when the maryada was one!! It is the creation of pakhand jathas and groups unity is broken, now people are saying lets get unity back, we shouldnt of had to do this in the first instance!!

I am not bigging up anybody, yes defnitely agree there have been many nihang singhs who have along the path of truth. But the bana of the Akali Nihang Singh Fauj is for them. And what is with the weird picture, are you wanting to be chatkad or something?

You really did not read what i had put, no one has copy over the chola. Nihang singhs have their bana, there own identity. The identity of Guru Gobind Singh, just as the other sikhs like the taksal, nirmalay etc had there own. My argument is people wear the nihang singh bana without earning it as a sign of hankar!! Read it, understand and come back to me facts not rubbish!! My argument is backed with historical truth and facts.

I dont think so, i take you it you seen Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singh wearing because you are a brahm giani who can see in the past. I dont post to argue, i posted to help. All the puratan are not here for nothing, there bana is historically relevant, as it was given by Guru Gobind Singh!!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh Punishment now is a thing of the past, in the times of a Guru Gobind Singh a singh may mispronounce a word of gurbani he would get a slap, why – for not showing satkaar to gurus bani, upmost satkaar of gurbani can only be done through practice of santhiya. This principle needs to be reainstated, when beadbi is happening those in aid of it need to be slapped! This post is a mere attempt to help those who consider the gurus bana as a uniform, as a lifeline to those to realise sikhi is alot that what certain people think it is, a steer in the direction of truth!! Please do not consider this as an attack on any jathabandi, but more as someone trying to help . The Gurus bana, the bana of the Akali Nihang Singh Khalsa has lost its status from what once was something that had to be earned through living an austere life, a life dedicated to relentless seva, a life dedicated to the word of the Guru, where now it holds the respect of something equal to that of a fancy dress costume. This image the image of the true loveable army the Akali Nihang Singh khalsa has been severly tarnished to a point of no return. It is the young, un-educated, egotistical, and incredibly stupid life forms that have polluted the Bir Ras spirit and image of the Akali Nihang Singh Khalsa. Not to point fingers, but those people who hold the above criteria are associated to those of the akhand kirtani jatha. Many people where the bana, the dumalla, shastar, chand, etc, with complete ignorance not understanding any of its relevance, its significance or origins! The akj egocentrics wear the bana although they will not see it, but it is for purely for the image = hankar!!! It is to attract people to say 'look at me'. The bana is for nihang singhs, and nihang singhs only. Just as, the Damdami Taksal, the nirmalay, they have there own dress/chola, so do the Nihang Singh Khalsa. If you are not a Nihang singh, dont wear what doesnt belong to you. A simple example, a police office would wear a police uniform, why because he is a police officer. It would be rather stupid for someone who is not a police officer to wear the outfit wouldnt it?? So why do those individuals who are not Nihang Singhs, wear the bana of the Nihangs. However those akj, may argue and are adament in saying it is the bana of Guru Gobind Singh, and there are 100% correct. But what they fail to realise is Guru Gobind Singh was an Akali Nihang Singh Khalsa! The bana was given by Akali Nihang Guru Gobind, was a that most fierceless Nihang Singh ever, he was the khalsa, khalsa=Nihang!! He was the Akaal Purakh!! This is not a difficult concept to understand. Don’t take my word for this, but ask any mahapursh, brahm giani, experienced katha vachaks, that Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singhs gets niraj if someone wears the bana without having earned it! If you want to adapt the bana, the image, because it is a totally awesome image. Please make the effort to earn it, go the dal, live with the nihangs, adapt the Nihang Singh maryada, be true to puratan sikhi!!! These modern people who wear bana and do not understand what is covers, in most cases have not even taken amrit, do not even know there bani!! Dont wear it if you are not coming as a package!! Many of these wannabe nihangs(undercover akjs) even insult the puritan Nihang Singh maryada. If one wanted to learn about the maryada of chatka, i would ask a Nihang Singh as i know it is there maryada. But if one is an akj disguised as a Nihang Singh how would he know such accepted element of sikh history, except what he does is insult what according to his image is his maryada. Shooting yourself in the foot. Would a Taksal Singh say dont do santheya, would an akj say don’t do exhausting saas giraas naam simran, no just as a Nihang Singh wouldn’t insult his own maryada, but these akjs who dress like nihangs do!! In the time of Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singh, there were the Akali Nihang Singhs, the Damdami Taksal, the Nirmala and the sevapanthis! Nothing else, everything else was manmade, manmat!! The akj were created in the 1930’s and are no different from the nirankaris, the radha soamis. Those jathas also respect Aad Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but not fully. Just as the akj!! Please understand, what the Gurus created for us was a priceless jewel and something that has not been realised, if we divert from this in any way or form how can we expect to get the kirpa from our guru!! It is like the guru telling us not to cut our hair, but we still do. Just as how he has given us a path of truth, but we choose to follow our own path. These moden manmade jathay that have only started less than 100yrs ago are not the way the guru prescribed. Akali Guru Arjan Dev Ji, dedicated his life to the teaching of classical music, he wrote raags in which we could sing his beautiful sabads in, as his sikhs are we not to follow in his footsteps. Instead the akj have made a futile attempt at recreating what the Almighty Guru made for us. Please do not consider this a post to bash, slander or judge any jatha or group but to help people realise that Sikhi is so much more. Please read the below sites which also discuss anti Sikh practices. The readers may consider the authors to be biased, that is because there are, as they too feel disrespect has been shown and something has to be said. http://www.sarbloh.info/htmls/article_samparda_akj.html http://neo-sikhism.blogspot.com/2008/11/akj-and-sikh-rahit-maryada.html I will leave with the words of Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singh: Jhuta kehe, jhuta hm kai hai, jo sabh logh manai kurrai hai hm kahu ke kaan na rakai, sat bachan mukh oopar bhakai What is false i will call false, even though people try to silence me I do not care what people think, i will speak the truth from my mouth Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh 96 Crori Shromani Panth Akali Budha Dal - Akaaaaala