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I think giani mohan singh jee resides at bhinder kalan village in Moga and name of gurdwara is akhand parkash if I am correct. There is a website of his katha at: http://www.gurbanisidhantvichaar.in/ On the site website there is contact link, try this to get more info or maybe somebody else has exact details.

Bhenji satkirin kaur jee, waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh! I have read some of this thread and the views i have read are what i expect for this forum which is generally anti-akj. You have raised some good points and it is great that you are defending the right for women to wear keski and the rehat of akj in general. However i am very surprised that you say that you are vegetarian but you also eat eggs. Eggs are definitely not vegetarian, fertilized or un-fertilized, I would strongly advise you to give up eating eggs so that you do not compromise your Gurmat rehat. I do not know if you have taken amrit, but if you take from akj organised amrit sanchaar then they will definitely forbid meat/fish and eggs. Gursikhs abstain from eating maas and eggs but do consume products dairy products such as milk and yoghurt. If you have any more queries please ask the panj piare in amrit sanchaar. Since you are interested in akj rehat then i would advise to read posts on forums such as gurmatbibek.com and tapoban.org. As for ddt view here is a video and in the first few seconds the singh advises against meat and eggs: Here is another video of bhai hari singh randhawa of ddt defending the anti-meat stance of Gursikhs against missionary sikhs: Bhul chuck maaf jee.

Gurparsad means with the kirpa of Guru one can meet Parmeshar (god). The second meaning by N30 Singh jee cannot be done according to viaakaran (grammer) rules. Gurparsad has a sihari on the dhadda indicating "Guru di kirpa naal". Please check the word Parsaad in Gurbani, everytime the word comes with sihaari, it means "kirpa naal" as far as I am aware.

Try contacting DTF books in Bham for books. Daas purchased a copy of Bhavrasamrit from there.

Jathedars of Nihang Dals and Damdami Taksal Mukhi letter regarding Niddar Singh and koor parchaar: http://www.shastervi...ingh-exclusive/ Here is a let­ter from the main Nihang Organ­isa­tions in India presen­ted to Jathedar of the Akal Takht Sahib Jathedar Gurbachan Singh. The fol­low­ing is a trans­la­tion of the letter To the Esteemed Jathedar of the Akaal Takht, We feel com­pelled to bring to your atten­tion that Nid­dar Singh aka Surjit Singh bains of Wol­ver­hamp­ton UK is involved in anti Sikh con­sipir­acies by doing anti-Sikh parchaar on his web­sites and dilut­ing the sikh philo­sophy by teach­ing that Sikhs are a part of Hinduism. With his hein­ous teachings(koorr parchar) he is mis­lead­ing the Sikh sangat. He keeps chan­ging the name of his akhara on his web­site to include names such as “Hindu Santan Shiv Akhara” and is falsely using the name of Jathedar Akali Baba Dar­bara Singh to legit­im­ise himself. Nid­dar Singh is stat­ing that the Khalsa was born from Shiv Ji and not guru Gobind Singh ji. He also pro­claims falsely that the “Farla” of Nihang Singhs is sprouted from the ganges river and that blue bana is from the col­our of Shiva. He is also say­ing that the chakar that Nihang Singhs wear on their dumalla is a sign of Shivji. He is say­ing that the Sikh dharam emerged from hinduism and that Sikhi is just another sam­parda of the Hindu dharam and is also teach­ing that Sikh Shastar Vidiya and Gatka is a branch of the Hindu Dharam. Nid­dar Singhs activ­it­ies in the uk are upset­ting and divid­ing Sikhs there. Guru Gobind Singh ji made the Khalsa unique. This fake Nihang is spread­ing doubts, con­fu­sion and slander within the sikh sangat. On the 300th cel­eb­ra­tion of Guru Granth Ji’s Gur­gaddi the sangat of Hazur Sahib kicked him out due to his nefar­i­ous activ­it­ies and anti Sikh parchaar. By put­ting the con­cerns of the panth first we recomend that this indi­vidual is brought before the Akal Takht to answer for his crimes and receive pun­ish­ment accord­ingly and the sikh sangat be freed of this confusion. signed by Baba Joginder Singh — Jathedar of Budha Dal Baba Avatar Singh — Jathedar of Bidhi Chand Dal Baba Nihal Singh — Jathedar of Haria Vela Dal Baba Gaj­jan Singh — Jathedar Tarana Dal (Baba Bakala) Baba Harnam Singh Khalsa — Jathedar Dam­d­ami Taksal

Veer ji, This is the best I could find, it is not the full book. http://www.vidhia.co...ndheer+Singh+Ji

Veer jee, this pustak is available on PDL website at: http://www.panjabdigilib.org/webuser/searches/displayPage.jsp?ID=2836&page=0001&CategoryID=1&Searched=Nisan%20Te%20Hukamname&sbtsro=0 To view the entire book you have to sign up which is free.

Veer ji you can get a copy of the book from dtf books, soho rd, Birmingham or sikh missionary in london. Maybe you can get credit card from parents? I believe both the kindle and ibook versions are free. rabb rakhe

Veer ji, a kindle and ibook version are available at http://www.bsrstrust.org/books/e-books/ The punjabi version is also available on gurmatveechar.com in the literature section.

In an old janamsakhi outside of India bhagat Kabir ji writes the following: “ ਪੂਰਨ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰੂ " Further to this in the Goindval pothis which are very old pothis of Gurbani that were used by sri Guru Arjan Dev ji to compile the Aad Granth it is written just before the bani of bhagat Kabir ji: "ਕਮੀਰ ਨਾਮਾ ਬਾਬੇ ਦੇ ਭਗਤ " Here Baba is referring to Guru Nanak, it is saying the following bani of Kabir ji the bhagat of Baba (Guru Nanak). Listen to Sant Kartar Singh ji Jathedar Damdami Taksal : They clearly say that all bani of bhagats was uttered in the hazoori of Guru ji. Guru ji approved the bani and then it was entered into sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Rabb Rakhe

I simply do not understand what is "suspect" about research. Chatanga ji, you raised a question in regards to additional banis such as Ratnamala and Hakikat Rah Mukaam. I have stated my opinion saying that these banis should not be included as part of sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. This is my honest opinion. What is your opinion on these banis? As far as Ragmala or Munadavani is concerned this is a separate issue and has been discussed a million times before as I am sure you are aware. I have noticed that such topics on Ragmala descend into useless arguments and nindya of Gurmukhs. I have respect for Gurmukhs on both sides of this argument and thats why I do not want to discuss this. I am sure there are many more constructive topics to be discussed that can increase our knowledge of Gurmat. I hope you understand.

I back the status quo which is that bhog of sri Guru Granth Sahib ji can be done at Mundavani or Ragmala as per the SRM. What's wrong with the panth doing more khoj/research into this issue? If we are going to come to a final decision then more research is required and a gathering of the panth is also required. The topic being discussed is additional banis such as Ratanmala, Jit Dar, Ratanmala etc. The majority of the panth does not accept these banis as part of sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. I have not heard or read anywhere that these banis should be included in sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.

More research is required in this field. Both sides have their arguments in regards to this subject. This should be discussed at a panthic level or maybe the status quo should remain ie allow bhog at Mundavani or bhog at Ragamala as per SRM. Bhai Kam Singh ji, I do not understand your 1st paragraph, surely "Raj Karega Khalsa" was uttered by sri Kalgi Pita, Khalsa was not invented in Guru Nanak Dev ji's time. I am sure this ardas was uttered to Singhs by sri Guru Gobind Singh ji at time of GurGaddi at sri Hazur Sahib. Rabb Rakhe

Chatanga ji, Just sign up to http://www.panjabdigilib.org and you can view numerous saroops. You will notice that 95% of these saroops contain these additional banis. In the saroop on gurmatveecahar, slok Mahalla nauva is on page 833. The reason I replied was that bhai Kam Singh ji seems to suggest that these additional banis are part of sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. I am definitely not a top level scholar.

In the kartarpuri bir these additional bani's appear after sri Mundavani.In my opinion these bani's are not part of sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Guru Tegh Bahadur ji's bani was added before sri Mundavani. If these bani's were authentic surely they would have been added before sri Mundavani. In any case more research is required in this field. Another problem is that many puratan saroops were stolen or shaheed during operation bluestar. So it is more difficult to do the required research. There was a gathering of the panth before saroops of Guru Granth Sahib ji were published and it was decided that these banis were not authentic and they were omitted. One thing that stands out is that these banis are in the majority of cases after sri Mundavani you can check this by looking at saroops on Panjab Digital Library website. Gursikhs that believe that sri Guru Granth Sahib ji ends at Mundavani will not accept banis afer this. However Gursikhs that believe Ragmala is the bhog of sri Guru Granth Sahib ji will be more more open minded on this issue. I do not know the stance of Samprada's or Taksal on this issue. I think these issues should be discussed at panthic level by top scholars of the panth, I feel that discussing such issues on forum will only lead to confusion and useless arguments. Rabb Rakhe

Vah! Vah! I didn't realise Giani ji had stoppped recordings of their katha. This is the nirmata of Giani Mohan Singh ji. They truly want to remain as gupt (hidden) as possible. I have read they also have a sign outside their room which advises sangat against seeking darshan of themselves but instead have darshan of sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. The only downside to remaining so gupt is that many Gursikhs today have never heard of Giani Mohan Singh ji. I only wished that Giani ji had written some books so that future generations could learn from them. However, at least we have the katha to listen to. So are these recent recordings you have been made secretly? What year were they recorded? I look forward to hearing the recent recordings you have. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Thanks for the videos bhai Kam Singh ji. Giani Mohan Singh ji's face says it all. Many talk about so and so avastha but listening to Giani ji's voice one gets the impression that Giani ji has reached a level that paapi jeevs like me can only contemplate. Do you have any update on Giani Mohan Singh ji's health? I wonder if cassettes/audio of their Katha are available at Gurdwara Akhand Parkash in Bhinder Kalan?

No worries Singh, I know the rough location of the Gurdwara sahib. Also does prof Sahib Singh have any other students that are doing parchar? Prof Sahib Singh ji only did arths through viakaran (grammer) so he may not appeal to those from Samprdai background. However when it comes to grammer of Gurbani and the Sanskrit language, prof Sahib Singh ji is a master. Even though Samprdai Gianis do not really focus on laga matra, many still have good knowledge of Grammer.

TSingh ji Will these papers be published online?

Dhanvaad veer ji I was unaware that students of prof sahib Singh ji are doing parchar. Do you have the name of the Singh doing vichar on Sri Jap Ji Sahib? Also have you managed to obtain the address for Gurdwara Akhand Parkash? Keep up the seva bhai sahib, sangat worldwide can now easily access Katha, Kirtan and Gurmat literature.

The first recording, 'aasn loe loe bhandar' is from 1983. Giani Mohan Singh ji mentions that the Guru Ghar where the katha is taking place, Sant Giani Gurbachan Singh ji Khalsa started the path in bikrami 1996 (1939) and now 40-45 years have passed, to bikrami 2040 (1983). Giani ji says he was there from the start as well. It is now 2011, Giani ji has been doing seva for well over 72 years. Rabb Rakhe

Dhanvaad veer ji Are these recordings prior to the ones originally posted? Also is there katha available of sri Jap ji sahib and have you got the address for Gurdwara where Giani ji does katha. Rabb Rakhe

Suryadev ji "In the same vein "who cares what AKJ or DDT think?" SInce when did they become the representatives of the Panth?" Bhai Randhir Singh ji was honoured by all the four Takhts with title bhai sahib. Since times of bhai sahib until present AKJ have organised countless kirtan smagams, rainbais (all night kirtan) and Amrit Sanchars. Bhai Randhir Singh spent 16 years in jail for the Panth. Bhai Fauja Singh ji gave his life for the panth along with 12 other Gursikhs. Damdami Taksal have been teaching arths of Gurbani and pronunciation to countless Gursikhs and organised countless Amrit Sanchars. Sant Jarnail Singh ji, Bhai Amrik Singh ji, Bhai Thara Singh ji and many others from DDT gave their lives for the panth in 1984. DDT and AKJ are respected organisations within the panth. Here's one quote from sarbloh: One may also state for certain that if Jarnail Singh had not caught the imagination of the historically ignorant and gullible Sikh populace with this falsified history of Samparda Chowk Mehta, then the movement he inspired would not have taken off. The violent, destructive, strategically and tactically short-sighted, politically naive and militant 'Khalistani' movement that remains Jarnail Singh’s legacy would not have gained such momentum. This episode in Sikh history has forever tainted Sikhs around the world as potential terrorists, fanatics, fundamentalists and religious zealots. What nonsense! Then you wonder why Niddar Singh is banned or 'attacked' by other Sikhs. In my opinion, any genuine Gursikh would never be able to support Niddar Singh after viewing Sarbloh.info. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Who cares about praise from the sun or daily mail? What do the 'mainstream media' know about dharam? The most disappointing thing about Niddar Singh is the sarbloh.info site. The amount of nindya of respected Gurmukhs and Jathebandi is unforgivable. The only support Niddar Singh gets is from his chela who inturn post on this forum. Tell me which panthic jathebandi supports Niddar Singh? AKJ and Damdami Taksal are out of the question because they have been slandered on sarbloh site. This recent media attention will fade away rapidly and he will be an unknown once again such is this fake celebrity fame. Real respect is garnered amongst fellow Gursikhs and the panth. What do bhagats of Guru Nanak Dev ji care about worldy fame? Satguru Mehar Karan

Daily mail along with other tabloids such as the Sun and the now closed down News of the World are garbage. These newspapers are full of hypocrisy and use kaam related images to increase sales. I avoid reading these newspapers. Papers like the Guardian and Times are better although the Times and Sun share the same parent company News Corp. I feel sorry for people that get there daily news from tabloid newspapers.