tableji

sukhi, i think what u said about sikhs generally fits here aswell, actually it fits for practically everything....

yeah i was talkin about the tableji not the raagi lol

Its inevitable that people will adopt terms to define themselves - or their system of belief in order to distinguish it from another. Whether this is good or bad - matter of perception. :wink:

i totally agree

Bahadur Singh was Sant Sujan Singh Ji's Shagird..who was Baba Nand Singh Ji's shagird who was....aaaah...*snores*

Different Bahadur Singh

hes good, tabla player is amazing, hes Bahadur Singh shagird....proper mad tabla player...

ahahaha@geezus krist + holy trinity....what a pun

Sukhi

Senior Jathedar|Vada Jathedar|Vadi Jathedarni

sheeesh the three Sukhis

at last more ppl are saying good things. took u guys some time.

i didnt say its ok, i jus said, do whateva u want, its not up 2 me to tell u what to do and what not to do...

tableji is the name, tabla is the game

yeah i agree with , each to their own definantly...

ghost, if u are not tryin to be guru da sikh, then everything else is pointless

question: is the khalsa panth doing what is described above today?

What is Khalsa??

Whos definiton is being used YOURS or Gurus...(not at anyone personally, jus a general comment)

pooran joth jagai ghatt mai thab khaalas thaahi nakhaalas jaanai

A person is pure, in whose heart shines the full Divinely Radiant Light. Otherwise, the person is impure(Sarbloh Granth)

Bhai Gurdaas Ji says,

peeou paahul kha(n)ddadhhaar hoe janam suhaelaa

sangath keenee Khalsa manamukhee dhuhaelaa

vaah vaah Gobind Singh aapae Gur chaelaa

Inhi ki kripa ke saje hum hain

neheen mo so gareeb karor parae

Guru Gobind Singh ji is saying that thru the Khalsa aid, i have attained this status

i wud say that it is being said to the manmukh...the mann in anand saroop has to have understood its function...

Read Niranjanas post above...gurmat requires jeevan..adopting gurmat is adopting guru granth sahib jis way of thinking...gurmat cannot be confined to just sangeet it is a part of everything...

"Hence, Gurmat Sangeet is not special class, branch, gharana or style of music, but rather the utilisation of Sangeet in a Gurmat context."

does the gurmat context only apply to the sangeet

Gurmat Sangeet, Sangeet is knowledge of raags, bt what is Gurmat??

i guess mum n dad....i went to camps for those who were amritdhari and those who wanted to be amritdhari as a youngster, as my dad used to lecture....and i guess dad introduced me to the idea ..... then when the camps stopped , dad left it to me, to do what i want....when i got around the age of 18/19 i kinda decided that i wanted to try this, looking at my parents and their relationship and the relationship with me and my sister....comparing that to quite alot of other marraiges that have broken up, etc i asked my dad one day, what is it that keeps u and mum the way u are ??? dad was like its god, if u hve god in a relationship from both sides, then when there are problems, they are easily solved...but both partners have to want god in the equation..

so i guess lookin at how comfortable my life was and the envirnoment in which i had been brought up, i started to get into "sikhism" and i havent looked back since...

At the beginnin i saw it as a restriction, but now its more of a release....and guruji is a protecter in that the whole world is described inside guru granth sahib ji....what to avoid ....guruji shows you where the pitfalls are and shows you how to avoid them.

i guess at the end of the day, it made sense to me..when i was young i relied on my parents to guide me...now i rely on guru granth sahib ji to guide me and everytime i go off track, something happens and i kno ive gone off....but when i stay on the line....i have peace...

ive come to realise that sikhism isnt only for your benefit in future lives, it benefits you now in the current present and the near future aswell.....

Har Naal Pyaar, why do you feel the need to tell us who you consider sikhs? are you a true sikh in every sense of the word?

i'm not trying to make a personal attack on you per se, but for the longest time, all i've seen is people throw opinions and stereotypes and judgement out at each other over and over again.

i'm sick of seeing these mudslinging matches where NOBODY gains anything.

what does it really mean to be a sikh?

how important is amrit?

how important is kesh?

these are questions that all of us must answer for ourselves at our own developmental points.

why do people feel the need to tell others that they are less or more than them on this spiritual path?!

i am simply amazed at the lack of sensitivity and respect people have for each other. and this is just ONE out of countless times that i've seen reactions like this.

where in the world is that sense of humility present in our Gurus who knelt and touched the feet of sinners such as ourselves as a sign of respect?

where is that sense of equality that allowed them to see One in all?

where is that sense of tolerance that allowed radical social changes to occur in their followers?

why have we forgotten our roots of love?

why are we so concerned with what other people are doing wrong instead of what we need to improve on?

why is it so important to us what is lacking in others when we can't deal with what is lacking in us?

why do we feel the urge to needlessly attack each other over and over again over petty and unimportant issues instead of building compassion for one another?

not everyone in this world who calls themselves a sikh is going to end up taking amrit one day. that's just a matter of fact.

but what DOESN'T need to be a matter of fact is the way we segregate ourselves and treat each other with utter hostility because we think that someone is inferior to us.

*sighs*

i'm at a loss for words to describe the sickening feeling i have in my stomach that as time passes, the virtues we proclaim to respect are fading from our own community.

instead of spreading love and understanding, we foster hatred and intolerance.

what a fine legacy we turned out to be for our Gurus.

Yep, finally someone who sees it like me lol

The Gurus have said loads of times how they bow to a sikh of the guru

Jo Desai Gursikhra tis niv niv lago paie jeeo

This is not nimrata , as that would be a lie, but is the truth, so this brings us to ask, what is a sikh really about??

This is also answer in gurbani, where it is written that a sikh is the guru

guroo sikh sikh guroo hai eaeko gur oupadhaes chalaaeae

Meaning to say that the guru and his sikh are the same, and they both spread the gurus teachings...

Sukhi where u said

"where in the world is that sense of humility present in our Gurus who knelt and touched the feet of sinners such as ourselves as a sign of respect? " - That kinda thought requires bibek budhi, only sikhs have that , like for example they will see a drunkyard with a bottle and say i wish i had pyar like that for my guru, the way that guy loves his drink...

"instead of spreading love and understanding, we foster hatred and intolerance." - Thats true everywhere, hence and because

Nanak dukhia sabh sansar

Anyways, sorry if those were rhetorical questions lol....but i strongly urge a moderator to sort this out...this mudslingin shud be sorted out..make it a forum rule...no personal attacks....but i guess its never gna be sorted properly...forums are always gna be a place for ppl to argue and attack each other...id just like to say that even one second of krodh destroys any gud that you might have gained from here....

kaam krodhh jeea mehi chott ||

Sexual desire and anger are the wounds of the soul.

If you feel that ur message is not being understood then quit saying it, your jus wasting your time , and gettin frustrated doesnt help

mandhaa kisai n aakheeai parr akhar eaeho bujheeai

Do not call anyone bad; read these words, and understand.

moorakhai naal n lujheeai

Don't argue with fools

Forum discussions should be relevant to the topic...which im saying again....also why is it that people cannot distinguish between discussion and argument???

Moderators, do your job properly!

oh and sukhi, dnt feel disgusted...and dont be surprised when you see this, it is the way of the world...and you say that

"... as time passes, the virtues we proclaim to respect are fading from our own community"

well the community is made up of individuals, and if each individual looks at him/herself then the community will flourish...bt guruji says again and again, this is kalyug and its gna get alot worse before it gets better....

its pointless expecting anything...only thing that we can do is try to better ourselves...

i was always under the impression that true contentment is not something that lasts for a day and must be recharged after a daily dose of nitnem but is something cultivated after many years of practicing constantly. or rather of developing to the point where you're doing bhagti every moment and ALWAYS satisfied. (and i mean that in a purely metaphorical sense.)

Yeah i agree, gurbani says

sehj pakey soo meetha hoye

nitnem and paath in general i feel is a way to calm down and lower the power of the punj chore....

if u feel calmer and clearer after doing paath, then u have really done it, not jus read it quickly....understanding is important , you need to kno what u are reading for it to make any impact on you....

fateh ji

Nah RupZ i dnt think ur mad, thats exactly how i see it

I think that is a nice way of looking at it Pheena,

However to my mind, how many of us REALLY want brahmgyaan? How many of us are truely willing to accept that everything we hold dear is not going to be here soon? How many of us are willing to let such things go? Because that is a very scary prospect...

Now there is saying it, and there is actually REALLY deeply doing it.

So to my mind, I think it's fine to rely on ideas of nadar as a way of avoiding that fear. I think really the Sants accept this (vairagya), along with many other things before they get to the point of intuitively understanding and accepting nadar.

I totally agree

I no longer believe in Nihang or any other sects. All Sikhs are meant to become Khalsa. Which "Nihangs" are. If your taking Amrit, your taking Guru Gobind Singh Jis Amrit which was also given to himself. I believe everone is able to become a fearless warrior, if they wanted to. All Sikhs are Childern of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

Spot on :!:

May be instead of nitnem (5 banis)...spent good 3 hr's on japji sahib on what each tuk actually means...

you will notice the difference.

When we do vichar on gurbani our mind stays intact because we are reflecting on what's being said in gurbani but minute we start reciting it without vichar then it wanders.

First of all- one has to take meaning of nitneem as 5 panj banis out of their mind.

Nitnem could be anything (vichar on single tuk to naam simran or full recitation of sukhmani sahib).

Rehat is important but people have made rehat as daily ritual and forgotten about inner rehit which is "Bibek Buddhi".

I tried adding different bania...that helped aswell

oh wait, is that the right omni?

This is why being a trekkie is so useful, its Omnipotent

It Means having absolute power over everything. Omnipotence is an essential attribute of God....i guess wed better start bowing to ya now

:roll:

everything takes time,

gurbani sez,

sehj pakey soo methaa hoye

Its always easier to work on concepts 'outside' the body (nitnem, kakkars, etc.), harder to work within.

I totally agree....the whole point in reading gurbani is so that u understand it....understanding it means applyin to ur life as best as u can....