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To be honest, I tend to shy away from supplements. At most I may take vit c, iron etc. I tend not to take supplements as few mates of mine have had problems. Just my view and my experience others may feel differently. One thing I do know is that Cod Liver oil is probably the nasty most horrible thing ever to have been devised by man or beast.

I have been told that oily fish is good for arthritis.

I don't think one on one would be fair...Singh 2 and Hawawai five o together would even up the odds against me. After a few joints have been seperated its amazing how people stop abusing others .

sooo true.

I have read both sides and things seem to be loaded against this fellow. It does not seem fair and is very un-Sikh like. My opinion on Dasam Granth was formulated some 10 years ago when I studied it. Do a search on my writings on this, here is an example: COMPOSITION OF THE DASAM GRANTH It is unclear where all the compositions of the Dasam Granth come from. Some may have been commisioned by Guruji from his court poets, while other parts may have been penned by Guruji himself.. Note Dasam Granth is not one work like Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, but a compilation of of writings recovered after the sacking of Anandpur Sahib. Many were lost. Guruji specifically never included Dasam Granth literature in the Guru Granth Sahib ji, so one can conclude it was for another purpose. Most of Dasam Granth is written in Braj, Punjabi and Persian. BELIEF IN HINDU GODS A common misconception is that Dasam Granth praises Hindu Gods. This is not true. So why are they mentioned? For the following reasons: 1) Illustrative purposes : People must remember the Khalsa had just been formed or was in the process of being formed when this was penned. The Sikhs of that time still understood things in terms of Hinduism and Hindu lore. So to describe concepts of God and complex Sikh concepts Guruji had to use concepts that were familiar to the populace hence (hence tales of Hindu mythology). An example of this is travelling to an island where there is no electricity......how would you describe it in concepts they understand....fire, water ? 2) The is Only one God: Guruji from the start spends pages upon pages (Japu) describing the form of God "Kaal and Akaal" ..."Salutation to the one Indestructible, Salutation to the indivisible" etc etc. 3) The Hindu Gods Are Not Gods: I Akal Ustati Guruji states "He creates as well as destroys both Brahma and Shiva".......now is not a God immortal and Omnipitent? If Brahma and Shiva can be destroyed then they are not Gods. It futher says "Shiva and Vishnu fail to comprehend him"....surely a God knows everything....if Shiva and Vishnu do not know the nature of God, they cannot be Gods. It further states under Tomar Chand "He created hundreds of Kings like Indra, many Brahmas and Vishnus, many Ramas, Krishnas and other prophets, but none is acceptable to Him without devotion". Guruji views these "Gods" as prophets and not Gods. Under Kabitt it states "Many Shivas came to the world and went; Many are incarnation like Krishna and Rama; innumerable are Brahmas and Vishnus, Vedas and Puranas; Many have been authors of Smirtis; They all came and went off; There have been numerous Madrarachal, innumerable Aswini Kumars and equally many progeny of incarnations, but they all have been prey to death." How can a God die? Unless it is ofcourse not a God and a human. and mortal. From http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&...=t&id=64483 ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਮਹੇਸਰ ਬਿਸਨ ਸਚੀਪਿਤ ਅੰਤ ਫਸੇ ਜਮ ਫਾਸਿ ਪਰੈਂਗੇ ॥ ब्रहम महेसर बिसन सचीपित अंत फसे जम फासि परैंगे ॥ Brahma, Shiva, Vishnu and Consort of Sachi (Indra) would ultimately fall in the noose of death. There are many other examples but one gets the picture that Guruji thought these so called Hindu "Gods" were just mortal, and therefore not Gods. 4) Specific Audience - The Dasam Granth (and Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji) has a specific audience in mind. For most parts it is Hindu`s in Dasam Granth. In Chandi Di Var, Guruji is trying to inspire the low caste Hindu`s, from which Sikh`s are made up of (Jats, Tarkhans, Kalal`s, Julaha`s, Chamar`s etc), to fight by telling them a story of Indian Lore that they will understand. Epistle of Victory (or Zafarnama), is addressed to Aurengzeb and tell him of his treachery. What is remarkable about it is the Persian it is written in....apparently poetically and grammatically it is perfect.....something Persian`s for the most part cannot get right because it is such a subtle language....for example one could easily describe a cup a instead of an ocean with one misssed stroke. WHY IS THE DASAM GRANTH IMPORTANT? It is important because it describes some key events that occurred, for example the Battle of Bhanghani and Chamkaur. It also names specific Sikhs and who was involved where. It give`s us an insight into the infant Sikh Nation. It shows us what an accomplished intellectual Guruji was. In it he writes about the French, the Africans etc: http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&...=t&id=66496 ਫਰਾ ਕੇ ਫਿਰੰਗੀ ਮਾਨੈਂ ਕੰਧਾਰੀ ਕੁਰੈਸੀ ਜਾਨੈਂ ਪਛਮ ਕੇ ਪੱਛਮੀ ਪਛਾਨੈਂ ਨਿਜ ਕਾਮ ਹੈਂ ॥ फरा के फिरंगी मानैं कंधारी कुरैसी जानैं पछम के प्छमी पछानैं निज काम हैं ॥ The people of France and England revere Thee, the inhabitants of Kandhaar and Quraishis know Thee; the people of western side recognize their duty towards Thee. Tells us about the behaviour of Sikhs and Guruji: ਭਾਂਤਿ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਬਨਿ ਖੇਲ ਸਿਕਾਰਾ ॥ ਮਾਰੇ ਰੀਛ ਰੋਝ ਝੰਖਾਰਾ ॥੧॥ भांति भांति बनि खेल सिकारा ॥ मारे रीछ रोझ झंखारा ॥१॥ I went hunting various kinds of animals in the forest and killed bears, nilgais (blue bulls) and elks.1. ਦੇਸ ਚਾਲ ਹਮ ਤੇ ਪੁਨਿ ਭਈ ॥ ਸਹਰ ਪਾਂਵਟਾ ਕੀ ਸੁਧਿ ਲਈ ॥ देस चाल हम ते पुनि भई ॥ सहर पांवटा की सुधि लई ॥ Then I left my home and went to place named Paonta. ਕਾਲਿੰਦ੍ਰੀ ਤਟਿ ਕਰੇ ਬਿਲਾਸਾ ॥ ਅਨਿਕ ਭਾਂਤ ਕੇ ਪੇਖਿ ਤਮਾਸਾ ॥੨॥ कालिंद्री तटि करे बिलासा ॥ अनिक भांत के पेखि तमासा ॥२॥ I enjoyed my stay on the banks of Kalindri (Yamuna) and saw amusement of various kind. ਤਹ ਕੇ ਸਿੰਘ ਘਨੇ ਚੁਨਿ ਮਾਰੇ ॥ ਰੋਝ ਰੀਛ ਬਹੁ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਬਿਦਾਰੇ ॥ तह के सिंघ घने चुनि मारे ॥ रोझ रीछ बहु भांति बिदारे ॥ There I killed may lions, nilgais and bears. READ WITH AN OPEN MIND AND UNDERSTANDING Sikh writings must be understood in their specific, historical, sociological, and economical context. One then gets an image of what is going on: For example: 1) Kabir writes at the time of the Invasion of Timur and the sacking of Delhi and Benares (which he witnessed), and the slaughter of many innocent Hindu`s. 2) Guru Nanak writes at the time of the invasion of Babur. He witnessed many atrocities. 3) Guruji writes at a time of much strife caused by Aurengzeb

Agreed. It's how you train. I have found small quantites of meat as part of a balanced diet is good. I don't have a problem with even skinny and over weight. I know skinny guys who are super strong and fit, and they look good. I also know fat looking guys who have a solid frame and pack muscle. My gripe is those ill looking, limp, yellow faced, anaemic guys you see wearing pughs. Some are fat, some are skinny. They have skinny legs and arms. You see the picture of Guru Gobind Singh standing tall, proud muscular with his crown. Then you see these guys and you think, do they deserve to wear that crown? Indeed. Self defence is a must. My kids will be doing Martial arts from 4 onwards like me.

If you think plant embryo's/Ovums, and secreted cow cells derived from blood are the way to go, then by all mean carry on. I know what has worked for me, and for me that has not.

Please tell me how it helps a civilised debate calling them "Naastack Roadshow"? They could call you names too, how would you like that?

I ahev no view point and shame on you for calling Gyani ji names.

you said before Who is attacking who again?

No mate. Do your own research on Soya based stuff. It's not funded by meat companies. It's crap. Protein is not protein, do some research into assimilation. I always say, do your own research and expirment on your body, but don't be so blinkered as to think that if you are vege you will have the same gains as an egg eating counterpart. Yes I'm ancient, but I do still despair as occasionally I don't train at home and venture into the gym to see yellow, skinny looking vege Singh's. Make's me feel sad.

Yes very good, follow his routine and good luck.

all I see is avoidance and nindya from you.

Not when you have problems with your knees. I won't tell you how much I used to deadlift, bench and squat when I was 21 because it will make the vege guy feel bad. Better to spend time when you are older than when you are younger. Youngster spend far too much time being Internet warriors than real warriors nowadays. Like I said you don't want to know, and that really isn't that good if he wants to be a professional powerlifter. Also depends what weight he is. So know, it blows....but doesn't blow anything out of the water.....but hey vege's are welcome to try and prove me wrong. errr no. Like you said it depends on what person you are, but egg are a brilliant food. Once I became a Sikh I had no such restrictions on meat and fish but I don't eat much meat or fish anyway. Never have done. Do eat eggs. Very good indeed. I got my own chickens. used to trains at Bill Stevens and Wag Bennets in East London. There were legends like Bertil Fox there, you may have heard of. I don't doubt it.

For me being a Sikh I like to think my body is in balance with my mind. My mind power is equal too and equivalent to my strength and power. I forgot to say I also used to do Judo and play Rugby. Personally when I see yellow anaemic looking skinny Singh's at the Gurudwara, I think its a great disrespect to the crown bestowed on their heads by the tenth master.

Some very good points, but this is what seemed to work for me. Don't worry too much about fats from milk if you are skinny, and also not there is only soo much protein your body can assimilate. The amount of eggs you have can go up and down according to your body. Tofu hmmm been reading about Oestregen and that of late, so I would avoid any soya crap. Maybe Milk Whey protein if you are a vege. Protein is not the name of the came, it's the TYPE that is important and assimilation.

cut out maybe the running etc, and weekend stuff.

Thta's you opinion, and you don't have to listen to me. That's how I got strong and muscular after experiment with lots of "rubbish" diets, powders etc etc. My comments on vege's is 100% correct. I stand by it. I'm in my 40's and still easily bech 100 kilo's, squat 100 kilo's, and deadlift that amount. The diet has stood me well. ....and no offence for the guy on the site, he has done well for a vege but if he is struggling to get up to 4 plates (I am assuming Olypian bar and 25 kilo plates), then that is poor in terms of squatting records.

Look mate, it's a fair point he has made, why not answer it instead of finger waving and making accusations.

Does it really matter? You seem to be pursuing something with Love. Write with love my friend and you cannot be wrong!!

Again, I think this comment: http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-s...n-redux-10.html Is appropriate here.

I thin Gyani Ji's reply here is appropriate to this discussion: http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-s...n-redux-10.html

Diet Consisted of Morning: - Bran, Shreaded Wheat Big Bowl. - Egg White and Tomatoe Omlette (when I was cutting up), whole egg when I wasn't. Mid Morning: 2 Banana's 1 Apple Lunch Usually Egg white omlette/boiled etc. Whole egg for bulk. Fish/Chicken Occaisonally 2 Oranges Mid Day Apple and Pear Evening Chicken/Fish Once a month Red Meat Plenty of Milk, whenver I felt like it (skimmed). Have whole Milk if bulking. If you are a pure Vege use supplements as you won't be able to bulk as well as Ovo-Lactose and Meaties.<<<don't argue about this because I have tried every conceivable diet. Exercise Monday - Back, shoulders and triceps Tuesday - Long slow jog or cross trainer, or swim Wednesday - Legs, calfs and if arms Ok blast arms Thursday - long slow jog/cross trainer or swim Friday - Chest , Biceps Every single day - leg raises and sit ups Weekend - rest, maybe a few leg raises.

You don't unless you supplement heavily. As a vege (no eggs), you will only go so far. Heavy weights, low reps does the trick.

Where is the line by line response from the otherside?