randip singh

I agree whole heartedly about the "slagging" off of other Sikhs. I would like to know how many Sikhs have actually read what Kala Afghana wrote? This furore started by Panthic/Nindya Weekly is interesting because I would also like to know how many of the "editors/nindaks" there read his stuff. I am in no position to call him good or bad because I haven't read all of his writings. Experience has told me not to rely on other peoples say so.

My Gurmukh friends are Saints to me....I have no intention of follwoing any Jatha/Sant/Dera type thing though.

Nothing wrong with scholars. Our Guru's were not only spiritually enlightened but scholars of the highest order.

Not quite what I am saying is it? Why do we need to follow Sants? for that matter Bhai's/Jatha's etc? So why are they needed? Ok someone reaches the state of "Brahmgyanee", but why follow them? I can honestly say I have not met any Sant's. The closest thing probably, Bhaghat Puran Singh of Pingalwara fame (not to be confused with the Kenyan bunch).

why do that? I am asking your opinions.

I am no fan of Namdhari's but is it not dangerous to ban other views? I don't like AKJ rhetoric, therefore should we ban them? I hate this idea of banning and excommunicating. It is a very dangerous precendent and shows our faith to be weak. The fact we are not strong enough to challenge divergent views?

I want to know WHY are they needed?

Thank God it isn't!

Sorry about that, but this fellow was forced to flee from SPN for exactly these kind of shenanigans. A lot of statements backed with no facts. He caused a lot of arguments and discord, and we as a result heavily edited his posts, at which point the proverbial toys were thrown out of the pram. I know I should not encourage him, but I do find people like this amusing. I think I will take a break from here in anycase. Cheers N30 PS Is there anyway I can put certain people on ignore here, so as not to view there posts?

I agree with you!

I will leave the drama, and acting to you thanks.

Which fact? Please link them?

That is his view. What makes YOU right and HIM wrong? Because he disgrees with you? You really are some piece of work, with you venomous hate filled attacks. Do you write for Panthic weekly?

A couple of people persist with veiled personal attacks too. That does not help. Maybe they have been reading to much "Nindya" sorry Panthic Weekly?

Why is that unSikh? Page 473 ਪਉੜੀ ॥ पउड़ी ॥ Pa▫oṛī. Pauree: ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਆਖੈ ਆਪਣਾ ਜਿਸੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਸੋ ਚੁਣਿ ਕਢੀਐ ॥ सभु को आखै आपणा जिसु नाही सो चुणि कढीऐ ॥ Sabẖ ko ākẖai āpṇā jis nāhī so cẖuṇ kadẖī▫ai. All call You their own, Lord; one who does not own You, is picked up and thrown away. ਕੀਤਾ ਆਪੋ ਆਪਣਾ ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਲੇਖਾ ਸੰਢੀਐ ॥ कीता आपो आपणा आपे ही लेखा संढीऐ ॥ Kīṯā āpo āpṇā āpe hī lekẖā sandẖī▫ai. Everyone receives the rewards of his own actions; his account is adjusted accordingly. ਜਾ ਰਹਣਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਐਤੁ ਜਗਿ ਤਾ ਕਾਇਤੁ ਗਾਰਬਿ ਹੰਢੀਐ ॥ जा रहणा नाही ऐतु जगि ता काइतु गारबि हंढीऐ ॥ Jā rahṇā nāhī aiṯ jag ṯā kā▫iṯ gārab handẖī▫ai. Since one is not destined to remain in this world anyway, why should he ruin himself in pride? ਮੰਦਾ ਕਿਸੈ ਨ ਆਖੀਐ ਪੜਿ ਅਖਰੁ ਏਹੋ ਬੁਝੀਐ ॥ मंदा किसै न आखीऐ पड़ि अखरु एहो बुझीऐ ॥ Manḏā kisai na ākẖī▫ai paṛ akẖar eho bujẖī▫ai. Do not call anyone bad; read these words, and understand. ਮੂਰਖੈ ਨਾਲਿ ਨ ਲੁਝੀਐ ॥੧੯॥ मूरखै नालि न लुझीऐ ॥१९॥ Mūrkẖai nāl na lujẖī▫ai. ||19|| Don't argue with fools. ||19|| I agree with fools, morons and retarded people countless times, just to keep the peace. It is a very Sikh tradition. Panthic Weekly is "Nindya" Weekly and there is nothing that has changed my mind about that!

indeed

? ? ahem ?

Some nice points by Shaheediyan and Amardeep.

“Take care what you say before a wall, as you cannot tell who may be behind it”

How is that "Spurious"? http://www.answers.com/topic/spurious It's my opinion, and you can say you do not agree, but I cannot understand how it is spurious?

Indeed. Saying that, the closest thing I have found to a Sant has been Bhagat Puran Singh of Pingalwara fame ( not to be confused with that Kenya bunch on Soho Road, who I do not have the time of day for).

what are these "lies". Let us examine them?

Exactly. Nanak had various academic teachers such as Mullahs and Pandits from which he learned Urdu, Arabic, Sanskrit and other languages. These schools no doubt taught them about the Koran and the Vedas.

*shakes head in despair* I think you should read your own foot note.

Agreed....however, most I know aren't vegetarian. They eat eggs, and if they to eat meat they won't touch meat of the cloven hoof. eg pork.