randip singh

Where does one stand if being a Panjabi Sikh they oppose the creation of Khalistan and is willing to use voilent means to prevent its creation?? Will he be classed as anti-gurmat, RSS, Kala-Afhana blah,blah blah??

Yes

You will also be classed as anti-Bhindranwala, and anti-every other Sikh Shaheed.

why sikh wnt khalistan?why they need?i want hear u

I used to be hardcore Khalistani back in the 80's.

No longer.

Perhaps people who still want it can explain.

For those that are hardcore bodybuilders. Check yourself before you wreck yourself. Vegetables ain't bad for your health LOL

Vegetables are good in a balanced diet...mod note- edited due off topic post, please stick to ghup shup thread for personal tu tu mein mein.

This thread reminds me of a Monkeys Tea Party I once saw at London Zoo!

One lump or two chaps! :lol:

Fateh!

See here:

http://persian.packhum.org/persian/main

It has the memoirs of Babur, Jahangir and the letters of Aurangzeb on the site, which any Sikh with an interest in history will find interesting, as well as the usual Persian literature such as Rumi's Mathnawi.

Enjoy,

K.

You read "Sikh History from Persian Sources"?

http://www.indiaclub.com/Shop/SearchResult...?ProdStock=8135

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/books-on-sik....html#post84022

Randip you wish I was lying.

I believe you.

"If I were you I would read Jagjit Singh's sharp rebuttal of many of Feneches theories."

Veera, I am not talking about Fenechs theories, I am talking about the historical sources (many 1st hand accounts) he has identified and quoted from.

Instead of reading about rebuttals, just read the book.

Ahmed Shah Abdali and his entourage may certainly have known little about Sikh Culture and thought of Sikhs as barbaric, but to say the same of the Mughals is silly.

I think we are talking at cross purposes. Points to consider:

1) What was the state of the non-Muslim at that (and I emphasise that) period of time?

2) Ok they knew of the Guru's, even spoke to the Guru's, but what did they think of the Guru's (at that time)?

Read for yourselves and draw your own conclusions. All my reading has lead me to believe that the Mughals (at that time [not the time of Akhbar]), thought little of non-Muslims.

Any one interested in the subject should read "The Darbar Of The Sikh Gurus" by Louis E. Fenech.

A very insightful read.

If I were you I would read Jagjit Singh's sharp rebuttal of many of Feneches theories.

Especially that of who brought the martial spirit into Sikhism.

"Up until then, The Tenth Master had been presented to the Mughal Court as uncouth and barbaric."

Sorry, but that is completely wrong. Read up on the interaction and relationships between Gurus dargah and the Mughal administration - the Gurus darbar and the culture there in was not unknown to the Mughal Raj.

That is your opinion and I think you are completely wrong.

Non-Muslims were seen as second class, and uncouth and barbaric, just because they knew of them does not mean they were not seen as backward and barbaric. The Chinese do business with Islamic countries yet repress the Muslim in their country with force.

Guru sahib was well versed in persian. There are many persian verses in dasam granth. Zafarnama and hikayats are in persian.

I think that was the point.

Up until then, The Tenth Master had been presented to the Mughal Court as uncouth and barbaric.

Zafarnama was a revelation. Here was an "uncouth barbarian" who had better command of the written Persian language than people in his court.

The language itself is very subtle and precise. You can say what you want to very succinctly. Major differences between similar sounding words.

Can you imagine going to say the deepest outback in Australia and meeting an Aboriginee who knows Gurmukhi inside out, perfectly. That would have been the exact same effect on the Mughal Court.

Randip Singh,

I am not sure when was your post deleted or if it was deleted at all. What i suspect, when we try to filter tu tu mein post (between you and onlyfive) from other threads and merge with this thread here. That post was probably left out in old threads, you may want to dig that up. You mentioned it was about keyboard warriors...have you seen this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwIbQ69Gt6s ...It's hilarious .... !!!!!!!!... :lol: .was it the same video you shared in the post that went missing?

That is excellent! No was not the same video.

As you can gather I am 40, and I was involved quite a bit in anti-racist stuff back in the 80's and 90's. The same "Singh's" who I used to say come on a demo against fascists (where there was trouble), and they would refuse because they were fearful, I see on various forums (like sikhsangat) "larging" it up and making out what great Sikh warriors they are.

That is why I don't take people behind keyboards seriously.

It is like they see the Keyboard as one of the 5K's. They really are a disgrace not only to Sikhism, but humanity.

vegetarian hamburgers/hotdogs

why eat vegetarian food that resembles flesh and tastes like flesh?

Is there something Freudian about this?

Also don't neglect your legs they are one of the strongest muscles in your body that help you lift even more weight. The highest I have gone on leg work out- working out the upper legs is half a ton(1000 lbs where you lay back and push upwards) and lower can't remember, but it was close to 250 lbs to 300 lbs.

It's called a leg press, and anyone who has done any serious training knows that.

I doubt you have even done 100lbs let alone 1000lb.

The only person you are fooling is yourself with boastful claims. You can tell from the way people write whether they know something about training. You my friend know zilch. Sorry.

Randip

Do not behave like a child. Try to grow up.

It's called a joke. You really don't have a sense of humour. Hawai 5 o a juvenille trying to make out he is Rambo, and you acting like a right old misery guts.

which reply was deleted? and when? so we can look into this for you.

something along the lines of Keyboards Warriors, I didn't realise Keyboard was one of the 5 k's.

I don't like being threatened. So if you can't back it up your threat. then don't make the threat. And if you wish to put your threat to action then come prepared for everything possible sir. Told you man, not scared and never will be.

Are you five years old?

My comment was made in jest to another comment made. If you are so stupid you cannot see it as that then no one can help you.

The only person making threats is you.....and what possible action are you going to take huh? Please enlighten me?

My reply was deleted ? Why?

Is this becoming like Sikhsangat?

this is really funny. In grade 11 on a vegge diet i was bench pressing 225 lbs and did it in 4 months and weighed only 170lbs.

Haha yes Ok!

I see you need to write you alleged achievements in big letter. You need help mate.

no meat is need blah blah blah, I lift a gazillion pounds and I live on grass and elderberry's. Blah blah blah blah blah I won Mr UNiverse and Worlds strongest man

Randip Singh:

Post up your studies, I would like to see them.

See Point 4. The only point of me was to post what I ate.

Like I said, what works for you may not work for everyone, and eating a little animal flesh now and again won't make a vast difference to one's strength. The people here who do not eat meat can still make great gains, it just requires more effort and research than normal. At the end of the day, a vegetarian with a good diet and who trains like a demon is going to do far better than an omnivore who doesn't have the same intensity and discipline.

I think quality of food makes a difference and understanding what each type of food does at a certain time is vital. You seem to be lifting massive weights, so if you mix your diiet around a bit see what happens. You wil be pleasantly surprised. Also lessens the possibility of injury.

Post up your 1 rep max for bench, squat and deads for when you were 21 (your weight as well). Post up your diet and training regimen as well from that time so we youngins can learn (I'm being serious here). Were you training for bodybuilding or powerlifting? Did you compete? Were you a clean natural or a mean roidmonkey? It would be cool to have an experienced ironhead sharing training tips on this forum.

No, defintely not a roid monkey. I think you can take a very good guess at if I am easily doing sets of 11 to 12 on 100 k's extrapolate back 20 years.

Bah. My ego is too large to get through the door anyway.

Unfortunately I suffer from that ailment.

After I've spawned and my little monsters are grown up, I'm planning to buy shares in testosterone and human growth hormone. I'm also considering taking up one of the internal martial arts in the next 5 years which rely less on physical strength and more on skill (probably Xing Yi Quan as it is nice and aggressive).

Don't totally lose your strength, if you are lifting that kind of weight, that means your gentic make up maybe orientated for that type fighting style too. Maybe consider Judo?

That must have been some heavyduty gardening! ;-) Yeah, my knees already seem like they are 20 years older than the rest of my body, and my back takes a hell of a pounding these days from wrestling strong fat b******* but thankfully it is still good. I may have to get one of my Nihang buddies to teach me how to make sukhnidaan for those post-training aches though.

Regards,

K.

Digging fence posts and over extending my back in ground where I had already broken one trench shovel totally screwed me. My mate always used to say, you won't get injured in the gym, but you'll get injured doing something stupid. He was right !

Sukhnindian LOL. Don't let the DDters or AKjr's see your post or you'll be prononounced a heretic

Randip Singh:

Singh, in this thread you were the one claiming that animal based products are superior, the others here were just saying that you can obtain similar results with veg products and then Matheen provided you with a study which found that whey protein was the ideal form of protein for building lean muscle.

Point 1 Mate - am not having a dig at you. Just one person.

Point 2 - I am claiming nothing. Just sharing 25 years exerince of having a Vegan, Vegetarian, Meatatarian, Piscatarian, Polotarian diets that I have had and this is the one that has worked the best for me.

Point 3 - I can place studies here that rubbish those claims, but I won't.

Point 4 - Do your own research but don't be blinkered.

Best Wishes

I've been training for the last several years, I squat almost 3 times as much as you, deadlift almost 3 times as much as you, and can still bench 1.5 times more than you on a good day despite having torn my shoulder about 18 months ago. Yet I don't really train purely for strength because the extras mass just slows me down, and I don't eat meat. That doesn't mean that a veg diet is superior, it's just that I have found what works for me within my self-imposed diet restrictions through a long process of trial and error.

Come on man check your ego in at the door. I am not playing.

If I shared with you guys how much I lifted at 21 I would make most guys look stupid, so let's not play that game.

Trust me, come your 40's you would be pretty stupid lifting weights that heavy.

Saying that, you are pretty strong, and whatever you are doing, you are doing correctly. Just watch the back and knees. Mine play up to buggery, and I had at 35 a dibitating case of sciatica that started when i was gardening.

Sukha/Shaheedi Degh were the single most important and standardised parts of the Nihang diet as per old traditions.

As Matheen mentions, traditional Pehlvaani/Kushti akharai in India still swear by the same core ingredients used in degh i.e. full fat milk, almonds, ghee etc..

There are many traditional vegetarian akharas which sill exist all over India, although some allow eggs (as per Randip Singhs preferance).

So personally I don't think meat based diet makes such a big difference if ones goal is increasing strength or fighting skill.

Specifically for Singhs (of old) body mass was an irrelevant issue, anyone who has had any serious Yudh Vidya training from any real school knows that the success lies in footwork, understanding physiology, speed, accuracy, flexibility and serious practice with and understanding of weapons.

Of course strength is a bonus, but is most definately on the lower end of requirements. In Kushti however, mass and strength def move up the list of priorities.

Pics/photos of Nihangs of old all show them to be very lean (some would say skinny). But due to the combination of their Deg, Shastar Vidya, Bir Ras Baniyan, Shaheediyan Pareya Ithihaas - it was the psychology of the Nihangs that made them such a superhuman adversary - one that stuck the fear of God into their enemies hearts. One can see this 'nature' simply by looking into the eyes of these old pics of Nihangs. This 'nature' I also saw in the eyes of some present day Nihangs and Hazuri Singhs when I was in India last year...

Nihungs had classic martial artist type bodies. Bodies of knotted steel as I call them. I will give my example, I do not carry a lot of mass now, but I have incredible strength, and that is down to my diet.

Note that the 2nd master encouraged wrestling and even built a wrestling arena. I have tried that badam, full fat milk diet, it such made me fat and sluggish. Its good for working in the fields all day, but not good for training at all. Ghee, a definitely no no.

Diet makes a huge difference to strength, but NOT to skill. Skill comes with practice.

I have a couple of friends who work in the supplement industry who throw a few treats my way from time to time, and I'm interested in anything that improves my performance in competition matches. But yeah, a lot of supps are either completely useless or they can have nasty effects if you don't know what you are doing. There was an idiot kid in my gym who wanted to look like the incredible hulk in time for his summer holiday. He progressed very quickly then came in one day with yellow eyes (a sign of jaundice). It turns out that he'd been taking an OTC designer steroid for a few months without having realised what he was ingesting. The only mass he kept from his short burst of training was probably from the extra weight of the tumours in his liver.

By the way, what the hell's wrong with plant ova?

K.

Yes, that can be the problem with supplements.

Nothing wrong with plant ova, but there seems to be an acute paranoia about any animal based products. Ok being vegetarian is one thing because you believe that, but knocking any meat/egg based products and claiming vege ones are superior smacks of acute paranoia. I believe in a balanced diet, do what suits YOUR body. Not becoming so paranoid about one type of diet. I have shared what made me strong and big, yet it is constantly knocked by someone who thinks the vegetarian diet is superior.

There is a hell of a lot information I could share on diet that I have acquired over 25 years from doctors and nutritionist, and people who have won powerlifting, boxing, martial arts and bodybuilding competitions....but I will not, because it will seem I am being pro-meat. I also don't want to blow my own trumpet, but I do come accross a lot of kids and know it alls all the time in the gym. I want people to do their research and not be blinkered. You dismiss certain things from your diet you have to make it up another way. Supplements alone will not give you the results you want unless you have a good balanced diet>>>that is the foundation. A good balanced diet is for life.

It's not fish oils per se that relieve the inflammation - it's EPA Omega 3 fatty acids, which you can get from quite a few nuts and seeds as well.

Traditional wrestling training is very hard on the knees and other jooints, which is why they eat so many almonds and use a lot of desi ghee in their cooking. Haldi is also used extensively - it's one of the greatest anti -inflammatories around and even protects against Alzheimer's disease.

Ref: (1)Davidson MH, Maki KC, Kalkowski J, Schaefer EJ, Torri SA, Drennan KB. Effects of docosahexeaenoic acid on serum lipoproteins in patients with combined hyperlipidemia. A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. J Am Coll Nutr. 1997;16:3:236-243.

(2) BBC

(3) Desi Nihang veyd, lol.

err yes...eat loads of plant ovums and see if it relives your arthritis.

By Teji Kaur

I wanted to belong to one who I loved only then could I ever be whole

I wanted The one whose compassion instantly broke my anger to pieces

the one who melted my heart and made it smile over and over when Kaljug took its toll

whenever I was broken he was alway there to heal me as I went over lifes confusing bumps and creases

I longed to be his and dreamed of being his wife

I dreamed of hearing the unspoken speach of love and affection

I dreamed of making his tender sweetness my comfort in trouble and strife

I wanted to build my home in his perfect perfection day and night I would cherish the connection

finnaly the day came when I would join him in his permanant palace

I was to recieve the Amrit the necter of life and join my Lord

I was to be liberated from my bodys flaws no more anger, greed or ego-filled malice

And so my soul became elavated and ecstatic as I embraced the exilir of the double eged sword

For so long my heart was always his but now its official I thought

meanwhile day and night I enjoyed belonging to my wonderous husband

My heart was never lonely nor did my mind ever become distraught

How could ones spirit ever hurt when they have the power of Gods hand

But then would day I met someone who said my life was totally wrong

This was not the way to worship God he said that not how it goes

than he asked me how I do simran and said it was incorecct all along

and to follow his jatha cause only his jatha knows

So I listened about his jatha and my heart filled up with wonder and prem

I loved every bit of Bhai Randhir Singh jis messege and doctrine of jeeven

I followed the akj rehit in hapiness my burning soul peaceful and tame till another messenger came

and I allowed myself to get brainwashed again thinking my bumpy soul would leven

The Sikh He said give up Akj become a nihung

Akj is all about looking good they are pakhand not panthic at all

come on look at their Simran look how its sung

dont you wanna join the army of those strong as a mountain twice as tall

I listened to the teachings and they Vibrated inside

My heart longed to be a nihung but I still loved Akj

Regardless from that day onwards it was with the Gurus Laadli fauj I would abide

or so I thought Till once again a Sikh cane to show me the way once more my soul was to sway

I head the amazing love filled voice of the angels and listed to his Sakhis in awe

I saw God in the face of The Saint in all his glory and extol

Nanaksar Sahib made its place in my heart it was the only way I saw

But still I could not forget the way of life of the Nihungs or Akj from my soul

Than one day a Singh came from Damdami Taksal

He was so brave and so paka in rehit

I thought I would love to join Sant Jis Jatha this is my true call

I would be Taksali and that was that

Untill I heard the Chardi Kala Jatha play

And saw the faces of 3h0

Bibi Snatam Kaur just made my day

3ho was the way to go

I lived in Peace one day I woke to do my nitnem

My heart was wavering confused

I had forgotten the meaning of life and who I am

My soul was broken and confused

I loved the nihungs but akj too

3h0 had a place within me

I was bound to Nanaksar Sahib through and though

The Taksal experience could last eternity

So who do I follow where do I go

All of the Bhramgianis were right

So which jatha to join I don’t know

Their were so many differences but each Unparelled inspite

Do I eat meat or not

What color and style should I tie my dastaar

Such trivial matters but my mind still faught

From the truth I wandered far and far

I missed those days when it was me and my Guru

and I was just his period

The days where I would do Simran in the language of love and dwell on the One whose True

The days where I was free to dance how God moved me and be happy whatever he did

Suddenly it seemed so excruciatinly confusing

Nothing was right nor was it wrong

Hanging on by hopes famous last sting

I wondered where is it that I belong

Than I looked to the sky and remembered the day, the feeling, the monment the true belief

The reason I live, the inspirer of rehit, my Satguru my jaan and support

I remembered the one to who I belonged and who was their to share my trouble and grief

as I gave up all other colors My hear intuitively led my feet to his court

After roaming around I was home to my maharaj

And I asked Guru Ji for the answer

I folderd my hands and offered my body soul and laaj

And placed my faith in one who no obstacle could deter

As I prayed I felt it all it was all right their ahead

The source of all the necter, bliss, and power

The Guru to whom all great Saints bowed their head

The one who mended the broken and loved the meek and at the same time made the 5 sinners cower

Sitting there in Guru Jis Hazoori I found the one who filled the heart of Baba Nand Singh Ji

The one whose love inspires the Nihungs to fight save lakh se ik

The one whose bani enticed the mind of Sant Jarnail Singh Ji

The one who Bhai Randhir Singh ji called his sacha tek

The one who pulled 3ho on the path by sending wandering hearts his call

The source of all this greatness Amazingly Was always there sitting right in front of me

He was the ocean and the source of it all

All the saints came from Guru Granth Sahib Ji

The love was with all there in the bani of all the Gurus and so was the strength

Even though my dastar is not always gol I could still stand for justice like taksal

I could still do simran with each breath like Akj and wear a keski of any length

I could wear a chola like 3ho and fight to defend my kaum with the dal

I relized that this was the truth the teachings of the saints

They wanted Guru jis love thats it !They did not want a wakhree kaum

It doesn’t matter what one calls themself nor does dressing in various turban colors styles and taints

What is the use if you still havent found your home

The Saints are all one with the shabad all perfect and unflawed

And they all want us to follow that way as well

For it is love and compassion that lead to God

And pakhandi rituals pave the way to hell

So with the grace of the saints lets unite in the shelter of our true jatha

The Khalsa panth jathedhar Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharajjjjj

Lets give him our hearts our souls and let him give us the naam with his hand upon our matha

We are his He is ours and that’s the truth of the Khalsa Fauj

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hehe...when I read the Akj part and DDt parts my heart sank....then I read it all.....hahah nice one and sums up how I feel.

Is not Zafarnama written in Persian? The court language of the time?