randip singh

Yes, krill oil is also a great source of quality fish oils, if you don't like fish. Cissus is good for arthritis as well (I take it for the creaky old-man knees I have from squatting too much), as long as you get it from a good source.

Fish oils get in the way of arachidonic acid doing its job though, that's why they are avoided when using the supp.

K.

To be honest, I tend to shy away from supplements. At most I may take vit c, iron etc.

I tend not to take supplements as few mates of mine have had problems. Just my view and my experience others may feel differently.

One thing I do know is that Cod Liver oil is probably the nasty most horrible thing ever to have been devised by man or beast.

Well, yes. If you have high blood pressure or arthritis, you should not really be consuming red meat either.

I naturally assume people will do their own research before they start taking supplements, but perhaps I shouldn't be making such assumptions in this place.

The pro-inflammatory nature of AA is sort of how it works, and in my experience it works pretty well when taken for short periods of time.

K.

I have been told that oily fish is good for arthritis.

Why don't you guys buy some jumpsuits, black up your faces and have yourselves a night fight.

I don't think one on one would be fair...Singh 2 and Hawawai five o together would even up the odds against me. After a few joints have been seperated its amazing how people stop abusing others .

Sikhsangat.com is nothing but a hive of self back slapping pricks!

sooo true.

Randip do you have selctive reading as well, have you not seen the insults from Guru Da Sikh to Sant Hari Singh Ji, Sampardai Taksals, Nirmalas, Udasis and myself for a start. If he has no respect for my viewpoint i will treat him with the same.

I alwasy say expect to be treated as you treat others. For that reason i have treated him with the level of respect he has treated members on htis forum.

Randip i do understand why you support him as your viewpoints on the Sri Dasam Granth and Sants is similar to his.

I have read both sides and things seem to be loaded against this fellow. It does not seem fair and is very un-Sikh like.

My opinion on Dasam Granth was formulated some 10 years ago when I studied it. Do a search on my writings on this, here is an example:

COMPOSITION OF THE DASAM GRANTH

It is unclear where all the compositions of the Dasam Granth come from. Some may have been commisioned by Guruji from his court poets, while other parts may have been penned by Guruji himself..

Note Dasam Granth is not one work like Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, but a compilation of of writings recovered after the sacking of Anandpur Sahib. Many were lost.

Guruji specifically never included Dasam Granth literature in the Guru Granth Sahib ji, so one can conclude it was for another purpose.

Most of Dasam Granth is written in Braj, Punjabi and Persian.

BELIEF IN HINDU GODS

A common misconception is that Dasam Granth praises Hindu Gods. This is not true. So why are they mentioned? For the following reasons:

1) Illustrative purposes : People must remember the Khalsa had just been formed or was in the process of being formed when this was penned. The Sikhs of that time still understood things in terms of Hinduism and Hindu lore. So to describe concepts of God and complex Sikh concepts Guruji had to use concepts that were familiar to the populace hence (hence tales of Hindu mythology).

An example of this is travelling to an island where there is no electricity......how would you describe it in concepts they understand....fire, water ?

2) The is Only one God: Guruji from the start spends pages upon pages (Japu) describing the form of God "Kaal and Akaal" ..."Salutation to the one Indestructible, Salutation to the indivisible" etc etc.

3) The Hindu Gods Are Not Gods: I Akal Ustati Guruji states "He creates as well as destroys both Brahma and Shiva".......now is not a God immortal and Omnipitent? If Brahma and Shiva can be destroyed then they are not Gods. It futher says "Shiva and Vishnu fail to comprehend him"....surely a God knows everything....if Shiva and Vishnu do not know the nature of God, they cannot be Gods.

It further states under Tomar Chand "He created hundreds of Kings like Indra, many Brahmas and Vishnus, many Ramas, Krishnas and other prophets, but none is acceptable to Him without devotion". Guruji views these "Gods" as prophets and not Gods.

Under Kabitt it states "Many Shivas came to the world and went; Many are incarnation like Krishna and Rama; innumerable are Brahmas and Vishnus, Vedas and Puranas; Many have been authors of Smirtis; They all came and went off; There have been numerous Madrarachal, innumerable Aswini Kumars and equally many progeny of incarnations, but they all have been prey to death." How can a God die? Unless it is ofcourse not a God and a human. and mortal.

From http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&...=t&id=64483

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਮਹੇਸਰ ਬਿਸਨ ਸਚੀਪਿਤ ਅੰਤ ਫਸੇ ਜਮ ਫਾਸਿ ਪਰੈਂਗੇ ॥

ब्रहम महेसर बिसन सचीपित अंत फसे जम फासि परैंगे ॥

Brahma, Shiva, Vishnu and Consort of Sachi (Indra) would ultimately fall in the noose of death.

There are many other examples but one gets the picture that Guruji thought these so called Hindu "Gods" were just mortal, and therefore not Gods.

4) Specific Audience - The Dasam Granth (and Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji) has a specific audience in mind. For most parts it is Hindu`s in Dasam Granth. In Chandi Di Var, Guruji is trying to inspire the low caste Hindu`s, from which Sikh`s are made up of (Jats, Tarkhans, Kalal`s, Julaha`s, Chamar`s etc), to fight by telling them a story of Indian Lore that they will understand.

Epistle of Victory (or Zafarnama), is addressed to Aurengzeb and tell him of his treachery. What is remarkable about it is the Persian it is written in....apparently poetically and grammatically it is perfect.....something Persian`s for the most part cannot get right because it is such a subtle language....for example one could easily describe a cup a instead of an ocean with one misssed stroke.

WHY IS THE DASAM GRANTH IMPORTANT?

It is important because it describes some key events that occurred, for example the Battle of Bhanghani and Chamkaur. It also names specific Sikhs and who was involved where.

It give`s us an insight into the infant Sikh Nation.

It shows us what an accomplished intellectual Guruji was. In it he writes about the French, the Africans etc:

http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&...=t&id=66496

ਫਰਾ ਕੇ ਫਿਰੰਗੀ ਮਾਨੈਂ ਕੰਧਾਰੀ ਕੁਰੈਸੀ ਜਾਨੈਂ ਪਛਮ ਕੇ ਪੱਛਮੀ ਪਛਾਨੈਂ ਨਿਜ ਕਾਮ ਹੈਂ ॥

फरा के फिरंगी मानैं कंधारी कुरैसी जानैं पछम के प्छमी पछानैं निज काम हैं ॥

The people of France and England revere Thee, the inhabitants of Kandhaar and Quraishis know Thee; the people of western side recognize their duty towards Thee.

Tells us about the behaviour of Sikhs and Guruji:

ਭਾਂਤਿ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਬਨਿ ਖੇਲ ਸਿਕਾਰਾ ॥ ਮਾਰੇ ਰੀਛ ਰੋਝ ਝੰਖਾਰਾ ॥੧॥

भांति भांति बनि खेल सिकारा ॥ मारे रीछ रोझ झंखारा ॥१॥

I went hunting various kinds of animals in the forest and killed bears, nilgais (blue bulls) and elks.1.

ਦੇਸ ਚਾਲ ਹਮ ਤੇ ਪੁਨਿ ਭਈ ॥ ਸਹਰ ਪਾਂਵਟਾ ਕੀ ਸੁਧਿ ਲਈ ॥

देस चाल हम ते पुनि भई ॥ सहर पांवटा की सुधि लई ॥

Then I left my home and went to place named Paonta.

ਕਾਲਿੰਦ੍ਰੀ ਤਟਿ ਕਰੇ ਬਿਲਾਸਾ ॥ ਅਨਿਕ ਭਾਂਤ ਕੇ ਪੇਖਿ ਤਮਾਸਾ ॥੨॥

कालिंद्री तटि करे बिलासा ॥ अनिक भांत के पेखि तमासा ॥२॥

I enjoyed my stay on the banks of Kalindri (Yamuna) and saw amusement of various kind.

ਤਹ ਕੇ ਸਿੰਘ ਘਨੇ ਚੁਨਿ ਮਾਰੇ ॥ ਰੋਝ ਰੀਛ ਬਹੁ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਬਿਦਾਰੇ ॥

तह के सिंघ घने चुनि मारे ॥ रोझ रीछ बहु भांति बिदारे ॥

There I killed may lions, nilgais and bears.

READ WITH AN OPEN MIND AND UNDERSTANDING

Sikh writings must be understood in their specific, historical, sociological, and economical context. One then gets an image of what is going on:

For example:

1) Kabir writes at the time of the Invasion of Timur and the sacking of Delhi and Benares (which he witnessed), and the slaughter of many innocent Hindu`s.

2) Guru Nanak writes at the time of the invasion of Babur. He witnessed many atrocities.

3) Guruji writes at a time of much strife caused by Aurengzeb

Personally, I don’t think you have to take meat in order to have muscle. I’ve seen meat eaters in the gym who are skinny, while the reverse is also true. It is all to do with the amount of time and effort you put in. In fact, weight lifting itself is also an acquired skill. There are proper techniques on how to lift weight to have the maximum and desired effects.

Agreed. It's how you train. I have found small quantites of meat as part of a balanced diet is good.

It is good to see Randip Singh doing weight lifting. Most Punjabis you see are always out of shape whether they be too skinny or over weight. Whenever I see an apnaa with a muscular body it makes me proud. A Sikh should be tough looking, not skinny and over weight in my opinion.

I don't have a problem with even skinny and over weight. I know skinny guys who are super strong and fit, and they look good. I also know fat looking guys who have a solid frame and pack muscle.

My gripe is those ill looking, limp, yellow faced, anaemic guys you see wearing pughs. Some are fat, some are skinny. They have skinny legs and arms.

You see the picture of Guru Gobind Singh standing tall, proud muscular with his crown. Then you see these guys and you think, do they deserve to wear that crown?

And let’s not just stop at weight lifting, in my opinion a Sikh should also know how to defend himself. So having knowledge of some martial arts whether it be Muay Thai, Boxing, Judo etc I say you should all have knowledge of it. A Sikh should be able to take on multiple opponents in a fight.

Indeed. Self defence is a must. My kids will be doing Martial arts from 4 onwards like me.

It's all about dudh, badaam and panjvan!

If you think plant embryo's/Ovums, and secreted cow cells derived from blood are the way to go, then by all mean carry on.

I know what has worked for me, and for me that has not.

Randip Singh what do you want me to answer, ask it is will answer, it. i have shown "Guru Ghar Da Manmukh" to be a liar from his accusations stating that Sant Hari SIngh Ji ran away from a debate. The video shows otherwise. He called me a liar due as i said the debate was stopped due to a adherance to akal takhat hukum. Again the video proves he was lying.

I am not bothered about the dates of the Naastack Roadshow as being int he UK i will not need to attend or cause any trouble. However if Jeonwala has given an open invite for debates then the dates should be known for the people who wish to take up this opportunity.

Please tell me how it helps a civilised debate calling them "Naastack Roadshow"?

They could call you names too, how would you like that?

Randip

Instead of pasting up the posts of kala afghana chela, please put your view point.

I ahev no view point and shame on you for calling Gyani ji names.

When you cann't face the facts you attack the person. This is to hide your weakness of being upto the knowledge. It is not nindya. It is a fact and i am willing to puit my money on this. Are you willing to do that ?

you said before

He did answer the point and that answer proved him a liar of the first order. You need to follow all the posts in proper otherwise you are blindly supporting a liar.

Who is attacking who again?

Fateh!

Yes, diet is pretty individual and at the end of the day one has to find out out what works by trial and error.

Protein is protein, doesn't really matter where it comes from. What is important is timing your consumption to make best use of your body's ability to use it all (e.g., post workout).

Most of the research on tofu increasing estrogen in males is funded by meat companies. It may be true, but it's unlikely given that the Chinese have been eating it for centuries without their men growing breasts and crying after watching Thelma and Louise.

Kudos for having the nads to put your training routine and diet up for all to see.

K.

Edit:

Yeesh, you must be ancient!

No mate. Do your own research on Soya based stuff. It's not funded by meat companies. It's crap.

Protein is not protein, do some research into assimilation.

I always say, do your own research and expirment on your body, but don't be so blinkered as to think that if you are vege you will have the same gains as an egg eating counterpart.

Yes I'm ancient, but I do still despair as occasionally I don't train at home and venture into the gym to see yellow, skinny looking vege Singh's. Make's me feel sad.

Powerlifting isn't his main focus, which makes his strength more impressive, considering he's only been training for a short while and is quite lean. Doing 300kg for reps is excellent - the world record for a raw, unequipped (no suit) squat is 457kg, and pro lifters aren't exactly 'clean'. ('suited' records are much higher, as with bench).

Old school! Where do you train now - still in East London? Too bad what happened to Fox later in his life.

Yes very good, follow his routine and good luck.

He did answer the point and that answer proved him a liar of the first order. You need to follow all the posts in proper otherwise you are blindly supporting a liar.

all I see is avoidance and nindya from you.

You do ok for an old man , but your squat and deadlift should be higher than your bench. By 4 plates, he means 4 either side = 225kg including the bar.

Not when you have problems with your knees. I won't tell you how much I used to deadlift, bench and squat when I was 21 because it will make the vege guy feel bad.

(and spend alot of time on the net for someone in his 40s)

Better to spend time when you are older than when you are younger. Youngster spend far too much time being Internet warriors than real warriors nowadays.

He got there though - now doing over 300kg (660lbs) for reps. That bolws the vege myth out the window.

Like I said you don't want to know, and that really isn't that good if he wants to be a professional powerlifter. Also depends what weight he is. So know, it blows....but doesn't blow anything out of the water.....but hey vege's are welcome to try and prove me wrong.

He does have good, up to date knowledge on the subject, especially nutrition. Whey protein works best for me (and in the latest studies is shown to be better than egg etc),

errr no.

Like you said it depends on what person you are, but egg are a brilliant food.

so I didn't miss fish/eggs etc once I became Sikh. But everybody's body is different and will react differently.

Once I became a Sikh I had no such restrictions on meat and fish but I don't eat much meat or fish anyway. Never have done. Do eat eggs. Very good indeed. I got my own chickens.

Where do you train?

used to trains at Bill Stevens and Wag Bennets in East London. There were legends like Bertil Fox there, you may have heard of.

By the way, matheen on that site is not me.

I don't doubt it.

Seriously, other than the ability to lift cars, to improve one's health (although some can take it too far) and to look intimidating/strong, why do people want to 'bulk up'?

I aint saying it' s wrong but one has to work out why they are doing it.

I've seen enough guys focus on it for the wrong reasons and they end up destroying themselves going after some mythical body image.

I'm not saying anyone here is doing that!

For me being a Sikh I like to think my body is in balance with my mind. My mind power is equal too and equivalent to my strength and power.

I forgot to say I also used to do Judo and play Rugby.

Personally when I see yellow anaemic looking skinny Singh's at the Gurudwara, I think its a great disrespect to the crown bestowed on their heads by the tenth master.

OP:

Unless you were very small to begin with, there's no way that diet is going to enable you to bulk (unless you are getting most of your protein from milk, in which case you are also getting a whole lot of fat along with it).

If you eat two whole eggs a day and two chicken breasts a day, that makes approximately 72 grams of protein from whole food sources. You need between 1.5-2.0g of protein per pound of your desired body weight to grow. That means, if you weigh 200lbs now, you need at least 300g of protein just to maintain your current weight. You're also not eating frequently enough. Try eating around 6 smallish meals a day, and add pre- and post-workout protein/carb shakes.

It's a little harder to balance protein/fat ratios on a vegetarian diet, but it's quite possible to get enough protein without consuming meat, fish or eggs. For example, 1/2 cup of cottage cheese is around 15g of protein, 1/2 cup of tofu is 20g, 1/2 cup of almonds is 16g, lentils/dal contains anything between 7-10g per 1/2 cup (precooked lentils).

Some very good points, but this is what seemed to work for me.

Don't worry too much about fats from milk if you are skinny, and also not there is only soo much protein your body can assimilate. The amount of eggs you have can go up and down according to your body.

Tofu hmmm been reading about Oestregen and that of late, so I would avoid any soya crap. Maybe Milk Whey protein if you are a vege.

Protein is not the name of the came, it's the TYPE that is important and assimilation.

Good exercise routine. What would you suggest for someone who only has time to workout 4 days instead of 7 days a week?

cut out maybe the running etc, and weekend stuff.

No offence, but that is a pretty rubbish diet and the workout has a lot of room for improvement - and that's without seeing your rep/set ranges etc. Your comment about veges is untrue, you must have been eating the wrong stuff.

Learn more at: http://sikhinspiredfitness.forums-free.com/

some good non-sikh bases sites as well: elite fts, t-nation (if you ignore the gandh), defranco's site.

Thta's you opinion, and you don't have to listen to me. That's how I got strong and muscular after experiment with lots of "rubbish" diets, powders etc etc.

My comments on vege's is 100% correct. I stand by it.

I'm in my 40's and still easily bech 100 kilo's, squat 100 kilo's, and deadlift that amount. The diet has stood me well.

....and no offence for the guy on the site, he has done well for a vege but if he is struggling to get up to 4 plates (I am assuming Olypian bar and 25 kilo plates), then that is poor in terms of squatting records.

So you can do the same thing what the your boys did in New York i.e. Raula Pauna in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji’s HAZOORI!

What, so we can do what we did in New York, i thought you said the sants ran away from that debate? Isn't that what you want to see?

Look mate, it's a fair point he has made, why not answer it instead of finger waving and making accusations.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh,

Guru roop sangat jeo, Guruji has given me hukam to write a swaroop of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. I started writing without proper planning and now I feel stuck. I would like someone from the sangat to a proper, in-depth 'how-to' guide to writing Guruji's swaroop. In particular, I hope to get answers to the following queries:

1. What type of paper I should use? The idea is to have Angs of 1/4th A4 size paper each, as I do not have the skills/kirpa to write on regular sized paper.

2. What type of pen/nibs/ink is appropriate? I am hoping anyone with experience in calligraphy would be able to provide me with a proper answer. My experience with 30 or so Angs that I had previously written is that the akhar size has to be kept small, considering the size of each Ang. So, the nibs have to be fairly thin. Is copperplate calligraphy appropriate? This issue is very important as the whole look and readability/beauty of the swaroop rests on the choice of proper tools.

3. How to get the borders done? And from where? Does anyone know any printing press who could keep the maryada and print nice borders?

4. Is it alright to write with pencil first, then trace it over with pen and ink later?

5. How to get bind the Angs together? I have read a few binding articles, however I am not sure if 'perfect binding' is the answer in my case as that would 'eat up' (for the lack of words) words at the edges. Any help/links regarding this would be extremely helpful.

6. Can I put Ang numbers in a different colour?

These are some of the basic questions from the top of my head, please guide me if anyone has written swaroops/pothis before and thinks there are more issues to be taken care of.

I had posted regarding this on sikhsangat a while ago, but did not get much help so I am hoping someone here would show some interest and provide me with some answers. I am attaching a copy of the Ang from the old project with this post. I know the akhars are not particularly beautiful, and the uniformity in size/style is completely missing and apologise for that beadbi. I have since been practicing to improve the style, and with Guruji kirpa, am gettin better with each day so hopefully i wont be doing that kind of beadbi when I start writing again. Kindly support me in the initiative and guide me sangat jeo.

Gurfateh,

Prabhjot Singh Khalsa

Does it really matter?

You seem to be pursuing something with Love. Write with love my friend and you cannot be wrong!!

Again, I think this comment:

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-s...n-redux-10.html

Isnt it a wonder that the name of Bhai Gurbaksh Singh Ji Kala Afghana gets THROWN IN to any and ALL postings/threads..by those who OPPOSE his Views, cannot defeat those views. NO BODY ELSE even Mentioned him...WHY the obsession with a socalled "excommunicated" (anti Gurmat action) person who CANNOT answer these allegations as he is NOT a member of any forums etc...

Source:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25205 (Kala Afghana: Discussion Redux)

Reminds me of HARI SINGH NALWA...that Super Duper GENERAL of the Khalsa Fauj that DEFEATED the Pathans and Afghans SO BADLY..that his Name entered their Language..and their Mothers till TODAY..frighten their children by saying..HAROOA AIYO,,Harrooa aiyoh..go to sleep..Harooa aiyoh.

Source:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25205 (Kala Afghana: Discussion Redux)

Hari Singh nalwa died more than 150 Years ago..his NAME still TERRIFIES the Afghans/pathans...HOW long will it take these people to forget/stop being afraid of kala afghana !!! Just Go through ANY posting on Gurmat Learning Zone, Sikhs Diaspora, Sikh Awareness, SPN etc etc etc...and you will find the GHOST OF KA frightening the living daylights of these singh1,singh2, singh3,singh4,singh5,singh, 1singh, 2singh, 3singh,4singh..Lsingh, Isingh,Five Singh,etc etc. KA is an OLD MAN..may soon die..but it looks like he will LIVE ON..perhaps like "Harroa aiyoh" Kala aiyoh... for another 150 Years..DAAMMN FRIGHTENING THOUGHT.he he he

Is appropriate here.

I thin Gyani Ji's reply here is appropriate to this discussion:

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-s...n-redux-10.html

Isnt it a wonder that the name of Bhai Gurbaksh Singh Ji Kala Afghana gets THROWN IN to any and ALL postings/threads..by those who OPPOSE his Views, cannot defeat those views. NO BODY ELSE even Mentioned him...WHY the obsession with a socalled "excommunicated" (anti Gurmat action) person who CANNOT answer these allegations as he is NOT a member of any forums etc...

Source:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25205 (Kala Afghana: Discussion Redux)

Reminds me of HARI SINGH NALWA...that Super Duper GENERAL of the Khalsa Fauj that DEFEATED the Pathans and Afghans SO BADLY..that his Name entered their Language..and their Mothers till TODAY..frighten their children by saying..HAROOA AIYO,,Harrooa aiyoh..go to sleep..Harooa aiyoh.

Source:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25205 (Kala Afghana: Discussion Redux)

Hari Singh nalwa died more than 150 Years ago..his NAME still TERRIFIES the Afghans/pathans...HOW long will it take these people to forget/stop being afraid of kala afghana !!! Just Go through ANY posting on Gurmat Learning Zone, Sikhs Diaspora, Sikh Awareness, SPN etc etc etc...and you will find the GHOST OF KA frightening the living daylights of these singh1,singh2, singh3,singh4,singh5,singh, 1singh, 2singh, 3singh,4singh..Lsingh, Isingh,Five Singh,etc etc. KA is an OLD MAN..may soon die..but it looks like he will LIVE ON..perhaps like "Harroa aiyoh" Kala aiyoh... for another 150 Years..DAAMMN FRIGHTENING THOUGHT.he he he

Diet

Consisted of Morning:

- Bran, Shreaded Wheat Big Bowl.

- Egg White and Tomatoe Omlette (when I was cutting up), whole egg when I wasn't.

Mid Morning:

2 Banana's

1 Apple

Lunch

Usually Egg white omlette/boiled etc. Whole egg for bulk.

Fish/Chicken Occaisonally

2 Oranges

Mid Day

Apple and Pear

Evening

Chicken/Fish

Once a month Red Meat

Plenty of Milk, whenver I felt like it (skimmed). Have whole Milk if bulking.

If you are a pure Vege use supplements as you won't be able to bulk as well as Ovo-Lactose and Meaties.<<<don't argue about this because I have tried every conceivable diet.

Exercise

Monday - Back, shoulders and triceps

Tuesday - Long slow jog or cross trainer, or swim

Wednesday - Legs, calfs and if arms Ok blast arms

Thursday - long slow jog/cross trainer or swim

Friday - Chest , Biceps

Every single day - leg raises and sit ups

Weekend - rest, maybe a few leg raises.

:arrow: How do you get MASSIVE on a veggy diet??

You don't unless you supplement heavily. As a vege (no eggs), you will only go so far.

:arrow: Is there a specific exercise routine anyone has made??

Heavy weights, low reps does the trick.

Lets tidy up this Evangelists ominpresence over the forum - and as he is so knowledgable - lets focus on his gyaan and ask him relevant questions rather than allowing him to curse every post he reads. It will also allow us to understand exactly where he stands in terms of beliefs, making for a better discussion, here are just a few basic things to get us started:

Q1 - What was/is the need for Khalsa and for Singh?

A1 - Khalsa word has been used by both Bhagat Kabeer ji (SGGS Page 655) reads khu kbIr jn Bey Kwlsy pRym Bgiq ijh jwnI ]4]3] kahu kabeer jan bheae khaalasae praem bhagath jih jaanee ||4||3|| Says Kabeer, those humble people become pure - they become Khalsa - who know the Lord's loving devotional worship. ||4||3||. There is also hand written Hukamnama from Guru Teg Bahadur Sahib ji where he uses the designation Khalsa for his Sikhs.

So Khalsa's foundation has been laid by Bhagat bani and from Guru Nanak Dev ji. It took nearly 230 years to FINISH this beautiful creation we call Khalsa. Khalsa was created to proagate Humanity as God intended and is preached in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, to protect the helpless and help the needy and to show a straight forward way to meet God. Khalsa is the intitution while Singh is the individual member of this most wonderful and unique and everlasting institution.

Q2 - Have you read any purtatan rehitnamai, if so which ones, what are your thoughts on these?

A2 - I have read purtatan rehitnamai book by Piara Singh Padam ji. But when I read his book called Dasam Granth Darshan, and where he states that the Chritar about Bibi Anoop Kaur is Guru Gobind Singh ji`s autobiography, I lost all respect for him. I believe that these purtatan rehitnamai are condesned versions of Sikh teachings prepared by Sikhs of the time under very diffcult times when they were hunted down and executed in large numbers, and they did not have the time to read Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, like we do today. However, I believe that complete Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is the ULTIMATE REHATNAMA of all Sikhs because it is complete and does not have any body else`s views except my Satguru`s. So when in doubt about the validity of any other sources I always ask Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.

Q3 - Is there any source of Sikh ithihaas you can recommend to us which is free from manipulation - or should we discount all Sikh ithihaas?

A3 - First, majority of the Sikh itihaas was never written by Sikhs themselves as first hand witnesses. I have read Ratan Singh Bhangu ji`s writings where he himself admits that it is what he heard from his forefathers. On top of that, none of his writings or any other Sikh literature has ever been protected by Sikhs like they protected Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Here again, issues like Gur Gaddi Meryada, and some historical scenes are decsribed in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji itself.

Lets look at 1984 Ghalughara. I had attended Baba Jarnail Singh ji`s diwans, was there in Punjab at that time. Was very close to Bhai Gurjeet Singh ji (convenor of All India Sikh Student Federation who was engaged to Baba ji`s niece in village Rode and was personal bodygaurd of Baba ji). He mananged to escape on the last day to Pakistan, after Baba ji took Shahidi, and when came back to Punjab carried out over dozen operations near Moga. Was eventually cuaght and killed in a fake encounter. I was also close to Bhai Harbhajan Singh Mand (one of the Nine Member Pathic Committee). Faith dealt him the same card. The day he was picked up by CID from Moga bus stand , I got a call from Moga to here in Canada, but nothing we could do. He was `executed`the next day. POINT here is that I have seen lot first hand. Now when I read this ONLY 25 year old Itihaas, I am shocked at the various versions printed out by various so called `Sikh Intellectuals`despite the fact majority of this is documented in Video & Audio. So how can we be sure that everything we read as Sikh Itihaas is totally true. SO the only way is to test aginst Gurmat. I it passes the Gurmat test then accept it. I don`t think there is any single source of sikh historical reference that has not been attacked by Anti-Sikh coalition.

Q4 - Where did Singhs receive the ferocity they displayed on the battlefield as documented by their enemies, the Sri Guru Granth Sahib?

A4 - Dasam Granth supporters will have you believe that this comes from Dasam Granth. Well that is NOT the case. Remember MoolMantar. Nirbhau & Nirvair. Well when you follow Gurbani`s teachings in your daily life, you are enlightened with Guru`s Gyan. This starts to remove the curtain of ego that exists between you and God, who lives in your heart. Once you adopt Gurbani teachings then you start to become like God himself, because now both of you have the same qualities. You learn to live life in his Hukam. When you start to become like God (Nirmal), you become Nirbhau. Hence the quality of fearlessness, whhich is the basis of bravery.

Remember Guru ji says (Page 1105): salok kabeer || gagan dhamaamaa baajiou pariou neesaanai ghaao || khaeth j maa(n)ddiou sooramaa ab joojhan ko dhaao ||1|| sooraa so pehichaaneeai j larai dheen kae haeth || purajaa purajaa katt marai kabehoo n shhaaddai khaeth ||2||2||

Remember Guru ji says (Page 1410): jo tho praem khaelan kaa chaao ||sir dhhar thalee galee maeree aao ||eith maarag pair dhhareejai ||sir dheejai kaan n keejai ||20||

Remember, if you follow the standard Dasam Granthi template that Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji makes you a Saint, and Dasam Granh makes you a Soldier, then may be EXPLAIN to me the following;

a) Wars that Guru Hargobind Singh ji fought

cool.gif Shahidi that Guru Arjan Dev ji took

c) Bhai Mati Daas, Bhai Sati Daas, Bhai Dyala ji, and Guru Teg Bahadur ji`s shaheedi took place before this so called Dasam Granth came into being.

Q5 - Do you believe in the SGPC/Panthic rehit maryada? If not, what do you suggest should bind the large part of the Panth together?

A5 - Before I answer this question have a bird`s eye view on the Sikh History just prior to its acceptance. Sikh Gurudwaras were under Masand, Mahants, Nirmalay & Udasey, including Darbar Sahib, Amritsar. May be you heard about the Singh Sabha Lehar, that liberated these Gurudwaras from these anti-Sikh coalition by paying with their lives starting in early 1900s. Those Masand, Mahants, Nirmalay & Udasey, are the same people that prevented Guru Teg Bahadur Sahib ji from entering Darbar Sahib, Amritsar and also had installed Hindu Idols in eight different places in Darbar Sahib Parkarma. They were literally following Hindu Brahmin`s Meryada (hence the phrase Bipran ki Reet), which is still being carried out exactly the same way at Takhat Hazoor Sahib. Anyway, a code of conduct had to be assembled in order to install Sikhi Rehat Meryada. But the Sikh scholars faced lots of resistance from people who were affected by this Bipran (Brahmin) ki Reet (Meryada) and were influential enough to NOT allow a complete implementation of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji`s teachings as the Sikh Rehat Meryada. It is due to this haggling that it took nearly 14 years to come up with a single booklet less than 100 pages in size. Obviously we still have the flaws. For example, look at the word `Sanskar`to describe the rehatmeryada at Birth, Naming, Baptism, Marriage, and Death. Yet the word which is more closely related with the Brahmins in Banaras does NOT APPEAR EVEN ONCE in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.

So I follow Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji`s teachings as my complete Sikh Rehat Meryada.

Q6 - Do you believe any of Sri Dasam Guru Darbar is Gurbani? If so, which parts?

A7 - I believe, when we do Ardass we ask for something very special and that is `Bibek Daan`meaning an intellect to decide wrong from right. Guru ji himself prays for us on page (641) haar pariou suaamee kai dhuaarai dheejai budhh bibaekaa || rehaao || I have collapsed, exhausted, at the Door of my Lord Master; I pray that He may grant me a discerning intellect. ||Pause||. Hence, we should perform Gurmat`s litmus test on every word that is written in this so called Dasam Granth. What ever tests true, should be separated and complied into a True Dasam Granth. Rest should be filtered. I have read all of this literature and performing the same test myself and based on that believe with cetainty that Chritro Pakhyan, Chaubis Avtaar, Chandi Chritar, Hekaytaan, Bachitaar Natak could NEVER have been written by Guru Gobind Singh ji. Rest Iam working on one line at a time.

Q7 - Do you understand the difference between secularism and spiritualism?

A7 - Lets define them first for those who don`t know what these words mean;

Spiritualism is a dualist metaphysical theory that there exist both physical matter and spirit.

Secularism is the assertion that governmental practices or institutions should exist separately from religion and/or religious beliefs.

Lets examine both of these in light of Gurmat: Spiritualism is certainly supported by Gurbani, as the concept of Mind and Body. According to Gurbani this body is created a place for the Soul (Mind) (man too jot saroop hain) to reside.

Secularism is accepted as per Gurmat, but in a slighlty modified way. In a traditional way, Political & Governmental institutions can use religion as a tool (that is what is being done by the current Akali Government in Punjab) to protect and implement their own agendas. However, in Sikhi, this concept is to have political and governmental institutions be dictated by the Gurmat Rehat Meryada of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Hence the concept of Miri & Piri. You noticed that Akal Takhat is located outside the access gate (Darshani Deori) to Harmandir Sahib ji. So that the Jathedars (our religious leaders) and Sikh Political institutions (SGPC, Akali Party, AISSF, ISYF etc.) can SEEK GUIDANCE from Gurmat Gyan in Gurudwar. In order to hurt somebody in the house, your enemy has to enter through this door which is to be guided by these current appointees. Instead they have run inside the Harmandir and taken shleter for their own personal gains and agendas.

Q8 - Could you explain to us the concept of Miri Piri and Shakti Bhakti.

A8 - The fact that Gurbani teaches us to be a perfect living being without any flaws, only full of qualities described in Gurbani leads us to True Bhagati. Guru ji says in Jap ji: vin gun keethae bhagath n hoe || Bhagati is only complete when you acquire qualities (such as Sat, Santokh, daya, Daram, Dheeraj).

Like I said above, this makes you fearless and bravery (Shakti) arises out of this complete set of qualities. Hence, there is no need for any other Granth. Satgur Mera Poora - Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is COMPLETE.

Q9 - Do you believe in the institution of Khande da Amrit and the events of 1699?

A9 - Actually it is called Khande di Pahul. As to what happened inside the tent Guru ji set up to dress up the Panj Piaras is ONLY known to Guru ji. Rest is all speculation by Babas, so called Sants etc. The fact that Sikh was put through his final test of willing to sacrifice his or her life for Gurbani principles, and passed with flying colors and was awarded the Degree of Singh so that he or she could join the institution we know as Khalsa. Like I said before, I have taken Khande di Pahul and pray to God that it stays intact till my last breath !

Q10 - Why did Guru Gobind Singh Ji Sache Patshah create the Panj Pyare, what purpose/role did/do they serve?

A10 - So whenever it came time to implement any of Gurbani`s principles (Piri), these will guide the Khalsa Panth, provided they are True Panj Piare, meaning every single moment of their lives should be exactly as per Gurmat. But look at what so called Sikhs do today. Go running after so called Sant Mahan Purkh BrahmGiani Vidya Martand etc. as a SINGLE INDIVIDUAL. That is not Guru Gobind Singh ji`s teachings. If we were to get five Sikhs whose life is exactly as per Guru ji prescribed, then they can lead us out of this mess with the lantern of Gurmat in their hands !

Q11 - What are your thoughts on Mul Mantar and Gurmantar?

A11 - Moolmantar is from Ik Onkar to Gurparsad. Rest of the Gurbani is Gurmantar.

Mool means Root (Origin). The whole Universe originated from ONLY ONE GOD. He is completly described in this MoolMantar.

Gurmanatar - Gur means Guru and Mantar means Advise (salah). Gurbani is Guru`s Advise. That is why when we read Sohila Guru ji never gives us Hukam but REQUESTS us; Read Page 13 & 205; karo baena(n)thee sunahu maerae meethaa sa(n)th ttehal kee baelaa || Listen, my friends, I beg of you: now is the time to serve the Saints!

Q12 - Do you accept the writings of Bhai Gurdas Ji as cannonical?

A12 - They are helpful in understanding Gurbani, especially when the vaars elaborate on Hindu rituals and mythology. But they were NOT included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. I do NOT agree with the notion that these are called Key to Guru Granth Sahib ji. Because Satguru ji says (page 124) sathigur hathh ku(n)jee horath dhar khulai naahee gur poorai bhaag milaavaniaa ||7|| The key is in the hands of the True Guru; no one else can open this door. By perfect destiny, He is met. ||7|| Page (205) jis kaa grihu thin dheeaa thaalaa ku(n)jee gur soupaaee || And the one whose home it is, has locked it up, and given the key to the Guru. Page (1237) gur ku(n)jee paahoo nival man kot(h)aa than shhath || The key of the Guru opens the lock of attachment, in the house of the mind, under the roof of the body. Page (1237) again: naanak gur bin man kaa thaak n ougharrai avar n ku(n)jee hathh ||1|| O Nanak, without the Guru, the door of the mind cannot be opened. No one else holds the key in hand. ||1||

Q13 - What role does kirtan play in 'the way of the Sikh'?

A13 - Kirtan in my personal view is the MOST essential aspect of a Sikh`s daily life, provided you take the time to understand the Gurbani you are singing or listening to. I do it myself and my kids do it too. Without understanding Gurbani, it becomes mere entertainment for some. Once you understand a Gurbani Shabad, then sing it yourself in a raag, you will feel drenched in love for your Guru & God and that is when you end up saying Wah Guru !

Q14 - Are you aware of the roles the Nirmalai, Udasis, Nihangs, Rababis, Dhadis etc have played in Sikh history - is not a coincidence that these and many other unique traditions all agree on the very things that you and Afghana challenge?

A14 - Lets split this into Four parts:

Nirmalai - These are simply Brahmins from Banaris in Sikhi attire. Prime example one staunch supporter of so called Dasam Granth - SWAMI Brahm Dev (see him on youtube). These are the same people that Gurbani rejected & discarded their views of exploitation according to Vedas & Shastars. When they felt their `source of income (exploitation)` threatened by Gurmat Gyan for the ordinary folks, they decided to take matter into their own hands. They studied Guru Granth Sahib ji in detail, understood it and created this Dasam Granth as a parallel to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. It is the same policy today`s modern warfare system uses: Understand your enemy`s source of strength, attack and destroy it. The most common reason why most Sikhs fall prey to this plan is that very cleverly these Nirmalas used stanzas at the start and end of various chapters that will sometime look and sound similar to the ones from Gurbani. But when you read the complete chapters carefully, it becomes obvious that its nothing but a sugar coated poison pill. DON`T LET ME CONVINCE YOU BUT READ FOR YOURSELF THE WHOLE so called DASAM GRANTH and see for yourself.

Udaseye: - This sect was started by the two sons of Guru Nanak Dev ji out of resentment when Bhai Lehna ji was given Gurta Gaddi and called Guru Angand Dev ji. One of the sons became a hermit and started this sect. Since people had so much respect for Guru ji and by default respected these two sons. Even today you can see this sect perform acts exactly as the Jogis and Sadhus of Guru Nanak ji`s times that Guru ji himself rejected in Sidh Gost Bani. They started this sect as a challenge to Guru Nanak ji so how can their acts be considered as some sort of sewa to Sikhism. They are the enemy from within !

Dhadis - From Sixth Patshahi onwards, these Dhadis were there to remind the Sikhs of their History. Unfortunately, now a days they have also fallen prey by simply singing whatever is available to them without testing against Gurmat, since these people are not very interested in Gurmat Veechar.

Rababi - Well, what can I say. Kaljug mein Kirtan Pardhana. And the beauty of the Raags is manifold when a Rabab plays in a Kirtan darbar.

Are you even familiar with Prof Sahib Singhs opions on the above issues? YES

I have taken all this time to answer all of your questions. Lets see if you have the same patience and courage as I did to answer some of my questions;

1. Do you think Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is Complete Guru. Yes or No and explain based on Gurbani.

2. If not, then prove it.

3. If yes, then what is missing in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji that Guru Gonind Singh ji needed a separate Granth for Sikhs. Please explain.

4. Do you believe that Dasam Patshah recited the whole Bir in Damdama Sahib and was written by Bhai Mani Singh ji. If so why was not his own writings included in it. Its not that those writings were missing !

5. Do you believe that All Gurus were one soul (jot) and different bodies. Yes or No and explain based on Gurbani.

6. Post a LIST OF TEACHINGS that are missing from Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji but are only available from so called Dasam Granth.

I will have about 8 more follow up questions once you have answered these. This way you & I will be on even terms, LOL !

I WILL LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU DIRECTLY AND PLEASE NO INTERFERENCE FROM OTHERS SINCE WE ARE HAVING A VERY CIVILIZED DISCUSSION.

Bhul Chuk Maaf, Waheguru ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Dhanvaad Jeeo.

Where is the line by line response from the otherside?