Shyam

Read Gurmukh Jeevan by Kirpal Singh. He writes of long illness of Sant jee. I should mention here that Sant jee to get sick was just normal. It was will of God. What I am trying to say is that the stories associated with Bhai Randhir Singh jee’s illness are white lies. They say that he got sick because he did not read ragmala. The only problem Bhai Sahib had was his legs and that was because he sustained tortures for 16 years in jail. I don’t believe that fake sant maan singh.

Taksal was virtually unheard of, just about 40 years ago. Read any material like books, newspapers of that time, there is no name of Damdami Taksal. Damdami Taksal if there is any would be at Damdama Sahib and not at Bhinder Kalan or Muralee village. They say Guru jee started Taksal. It is totally a false idea. No historical evidence of that. Guru jee started only one thing and that is Khalsa Panth. He did not start any Taksal or Nihung. Taksal of Sant Gurbachan Singh has done good things but they are about 100 years old and started from Sant Sunder Singh. Sant Sunder Singh learned from Sant Bishan Singh who actually gave his gaddi to Sant Prem Singh of Murala of whom Bibi Jagir Kaur was daughter-in-law. Provide proof that Taksal is authentic. Provide historical evidence and not book reference from Sant Gurbachan Singh ji’s writing or that Baba Thakur Singh said so. Provide independent proof. Go look for it, but be warned that there is not any.

Narinder is right. There is no proof who wrote Ragmala. How do you know Guru Arjun Dev ji wrote Ragmala? Provide proof who wrote it. Ragmala is not bani. It is part of a pornographic love story of called Madhanal Kamkandhla. Ragmala is part of that story. All scholars agree to this. Ragmala is not opposed by akj alone. Most scholars oppose it. The meanings that Sant Gurbachan Singh did do not make any sense. Narsingha writes that he wants to translate Sant Gurbachan Singh's work on Ragmala in English. Please go ahead as the world will find out the truth then. Ragmala is meaningless. It has not spiritual meaning. It is simply an index of Raags, that are not even in Siri Guru Granth Sahib jee. As for writing on Bhai Randhir Singh, it is all false. It is pro-Ragmalees doing propaganda - a jhooth. They say that Bhai Randhir Singh had a hard time in his last moments. How about Sant Gurbachan Singh and Sant Kartar Singh? Did they have easy death? Why did Sant Kartar Singh stay in hospital for one month and died there? Because he was reading Ragmala? Death is in hukam of God. All this speculation of why Bhai Sahib was sick in his last moments is nothing but false. If Bhai Randhir Singh was sick in his last days, remember that Sant Sunder Singh too was very sick and so was Sant Gurbachan Singh. Sant Kartar Singh had accident and died in hospital after one month. So pro-Ragmalees, stop the propaganda against Bhai Randhir Singh.

Narsingha wrote “Singh 132 presented Kavi Santokh's work as what the AKJ consider as evidence against the Raagmala. Now, I have questioned why you do not accept what Kavi Santokh Singh said with regards to Guruji drinking Sukha, the authenticity of Nihangs and Akalis. ” Singh 132 wrote that the debate of Ragmala has been going on even before Bhai Randhir Singh and this is why he presented the proof of its rejection in Kavi Santokh Singh’s works. This does not mean that one has to accept everything he has written. Don’t get excited Lalleshvari and Narsingha. Nothing he has written goes in your favour.

Jasdev Singh – so-called jathedar of Taksal wrote: “Nihung singhs and Taksal have a very tight background because after all the jangs(battles) were finished they came to Damdama Sahib and began to learn more about Gurbani. Dam means to take a breath, so the singhs finally got a breath from all the fighting and began learning more gurbani and this is where Damdami Taksal began. Someone said that Taksal is totally against chatka and sukha, this statment is incorrect. Taksal does not promote chatka nor does it promote sukha but at the same time it does not oppose these issues. Nihungs have always been a part of the panth, Taksal stand on chatka is to do it in necessary situations. I know that singhs in Taksal also do Ragra and make Shardayee on a regular basis but without sukha because there is no need for it. People who say sukha is a drug are wrong because to a certain extent everything is a drug if it is abused. Using Sukha to get high is wrong but to put a few leaves in Shardayee will not give you a high, once again Taksal trys to avoid the use of a sukha though......sorry for the off topic discussion.” I think Taksal is very confused about its stand on meat. On one hand they say that one should not eat meat and Sant Gurbachan Singh has volumes written and said on it but on the other hand they say that Khalsa is not fully Vaishno i.e. is not fully vegetarian. What kind of stand is this? It is like saying that having sex outside of marriage is wrong but if you cannot control yourself, then it is okay. Just as this argument is wrong, it is wrong to say that eating meat is okay in some circumstances. The truth is that Sant Gurbachan Singh was a nihung and he took amrit from nihungs. He was never able to shed his influence of nihungs. Why else did he say that eating meat is okay in some circumstances? He started the Blue dress for in Taksal. If you look at pictures of Sant Sunder Singh he used to wear white clothes and pagg. Sant Bishan Singh Muralewale used to wear the regular turban as opposed to the gol (round) turban that taksalis wear today. Jasdev Singh writes that it is okay to include few leaves of bhang in shardhaayee. What a manmukhi stand! He says that so long as one does not get high it is okay. By the same logic you can say that so long as one does not get drunk it is okay to drink liquor. Jasdev Singh you are misled and confused. Don’t confuse naive readers with your confused views.