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  1. waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh Pyare jio, I do not think anyone from bradford has approved this film, from sikh community, unless it is one of the numerous gurdwara Pardans. Best to ask them for proof. This discussion has also been going on other forums, below is something i submitted on them. Just to your knowledge. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, this film first came to attention of sikhs over a year ago, when someone put it on egroups. At that time it raised quite an uproar. When the producers were located, we from leeds and bradford sikh youth group went to see them. We met them and had an amicable discussion. We explained to them that sikhs are very upset with this film. They knew this was the case from all the mail they had recieved. So they said to us and put on egroups that they had sikh advisors involved. This calmed down many emails. We asked for the names, but they were reluctant to give them. After some pressure they did. The names given as so-called sikh advisors, did not have sikh names. This was pointed out them. They got stuck again. Then they came out with another name down south. Again who knew nothing about the film. While this was going on, they got the film completed. The sikh involved in the case here said unless they allowed previews for sikh reps before its release, then we would have to contact censor board. They agreed to allow previews. I was abroad when previews happened and have not seen the film. But youth that went were not too impressed. The producers are saying sikhs have approved it from south and bradford, many they wish to present some written proof of this. It was also mentioned that the film has numerous different endings. So in Pakistan it will end differently, and so in India, and and UK, etc. So the fact they say the girl does not accept the muslim boy, may only be true in Uk, but not in Pakistan. I have found the producers to be quite cunning, and only interested in financial rewards. He said to me before his films were contrversial aswell. I think he realises that controversy promotes films. He wants you all to kick a fuss, and wants it on egroups and in papers. It gets the film more attention, and more people watch it. I noticed how cunningly he got it reviewed in sikh Times paper, saying sikhs were originally anti, but are now supportive. This is not the case at all. Bottom - line, object to it, but do it carefully. Do not play in their hands, and publicise the film more. I suggest contacting the censor board, and complaining that the film will increase tensions between between sikh and muslim youth. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! -- ------------------ One God: Waheguru One Guru : Sahib Siri Guru Granth sahib Ji. One Guru Khalsa Panth! This should be the Motto of Our Generation
  2. waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh Pyare jio, I do think this is abit unfair. On another thread I had so much written against me with my name splashed all over this messageboard. Only after some interaction with the person making the claims he deleted them, to his credit. I was not offended and glad we came to an amicable conclusion. However alot of unnecessary stuff was written and allowed for people to read. But like gold and iron, praise and slander, one should not worry. But I mention it as an comparison. All that was said to nihangs, was one person called him a admin cut. Can we really compare? Especially when this is the name they use for Shaheeds of the Panth. For almost 3 years now, the nihangs have been writing against akj, and were mostly ignored. Other have slander akj in the youth scene to amazing levels. Now for the first time, we have a debate on a proper hopefully level arena, we get this. I would urge the moderators to take my words as a suggestion, and these nihangs have only got what they have always said they wanted. An open debate on an intellectual level, face to face. Why the retreat? That is definatley not real old school nihang philosophy. Why is it new age nihang one? Either debate it, or show some integrity and remove all the rubbish against Guru sahibaans, Shaheeds, Bhai sahib, and akj. waheguru ji ke khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh
  3. waheguru ji ke khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh Pyare jio, funny how nihangs act when the Gursikhs intellectually debate with them. I note no answers to questions sent by one veer. As far as above quote, again by a hidden name. Das, organised for what I know was the only Panthic level Uk conference on RSS, which happened in Coventry about 3 years ago. It was the first time detailed information on RSS was shown, and sent for noticeboards in all Uk Gurdwaras. At that time, AKJ UK was the only jathebandie to actively help and fund. Other supported, but only AKJ UK would fully stand by it. Note nihangs did nothing, just like 84. Now you wonder why I like the jatha. After that all other groups like taksal, and Boss also made stands against RSS at various times. Here in Bradford where we have the most rightwing Hindu temple in Uk, who are openly VHP/RSS, only AKJ uk and Singh sabha Gurdwara stood against them. So as you have done nothing yourselves apart from freely advertise their material and philosophy for them on the websites, why criticise the one group who did the most at the beginning. And before you put a silly newspaper report on, find the newspaper retraction the next day and put that on aswell. Will be away for a week, so will read your responses when I get back. I have changed my mind about this forum, and appreciate you allowing this. But please like you did on other threads make Jagdeep and Co, answers the questions. For all their seek the truth, and intectual debate demands, they seem awful quiet on answers. Lastly 2 questions, lallesvari, the fish which you eat as an amritdhari, how do you know it is not halal. They do fish aswell. Do you going fishing to get it? To Jagdeep: I recently had a debate with a really intectual Pandit on life and religion. We spoke for hours. It was just for personal knowledge. However he revealed to me, That snaatan Sikhi as a concept was invented by Swami Dayanand, founder of Arya Smajism, philospoher for RSS. He used it to try to convince Sikhs they were Hindus, with deep debate. Thanks To Guru Ji in the Panth, Gursikhs like Singh sabha Movement countered everything he did. It seems he only convinced the Nihangs. Funny how that could happen with such intellect amongst them. Anyway, I have asked him for text to prove this, so just to warn you may need a website on this aswell. To the person who genuinely started this thread, you said everything these nihangs is against what you percieve to be Sikhi. Remember that, it is your natural instinct. They quote alot of dasam granth and other texts out of context. The problem is us, we should have more knowledge on these to counter this. This is Guru jis way of waking us up. Note no-to little use of Guru Granth sahib on their websites, because it slates their practices. They cannot even accept it as the Guru Granth sahib, calling it Adi Guru darbur. The Nihangs of old did not do bhang,meat, etc. Baba banda Singh bahadhur and his singhs were seiged without food for months, and lived on leaves and Naam. Then afterwards every Singh was prepared to be Shaheed with him, not one turned his back. That is the effect of Naam. The Guru Granth sahib is Sikhi, Naam Is Sikhi, Snaatan Sikhi is nothing but cleverness, to distract the Khalsa Panth from showing its unique lifestyle to humanity. waheguru ji ke khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh
  4. waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh Pyare jio, the post of Baba Isher Singh Ji was good. it is so true what he said. I am not sure about others on this forum, but I am in my late 20`s. I have witnessed the Uk youth scene now for almost 10 years. I have kept my distance for the last 5 years. Unfortunately, I have to say, I do feel there was alot more pyaar, unity and understanding back then. I am not sure why? In these years there has been so much effort for unity by so many young sikhs. It is a shame there are still problems. However this should not mean the youth should stop trying, it just means more effort is required. Catchphrases and youth organisations will not make unity, because they do not remove the Vishas and Vikaars that create the problems in the first place. Possibly I am wrong, but I do feel where there is Naam there is always unity. Where there is naam, there is no dubda, no jealousies, no egos, no alternate agendas. There is just the mutual appreciation of abyass. That is what creates the strongest bonds. In that atmosphere everyone shares virtues, and leave the vikaars behind. In the Sikh Renaissance period of 100 years ago. This is what happened. With so much pressure of losing Raj, under the pressure of a brutal regime, the Gursikhs created unity in one maryada, the Sikh Rehat Maryada. They freed the Gurdwaras, and stood proud. If we start naming them the list is endless. But the core thing is, they knew who they were, and what responsibility is on their shoulders. The Guru was their Atma (mind), and the Panth was their Jaan (body). How could there be any alternate agenda, but that of Guru and Panth. That is the thinking that Naam creates. It is when we start having this thinking, Unity will appear itself automatically. waheguru ji ke khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh
  5. waheguru ji ke khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh Yes, it is true. On wednesday, I got vexed with these nihangs, especially with the stunts they pulled on this messageboard. They put down AKJ, fine, do not go to their programmes. But when they go protraying Sikhi and Gurus with canaabis, meat, and especially sahstervidya website. It is hard not to get vexed. I know most youth in Uk have got vexed with them one time or another. Wednesday was my day. Yesterday Hukamnama from darbaar sahib was: BILAAVAL, FOURTH MEHL: I meditate on the source of bliss, the Sublime Primal Being; night and day, I am in ecstasy and bliss. The Righteous Judge of Dharma has no power over me; I have cast off all subservience to the Messenger of Death. || 1 || Meditate, O mind, on the Naam, the Name of the Lord of the Universe. By great good fortune, I have found the Guru, the True Guru; I sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord of supreme bliss. || 1 || Pause || The foolish faithless cynics are held captive by Maya; in Maya, they continue wandering, wandering around. Burnt by desire, and bound by the karma of their past actions, they go round and round, like the ox at the mill press. || 2 || The Gurmukhs, who focus on serving the Guru, are saved; by great good fortune, they perform service. Those who meditate on the Lord obtain the fruits of their rewards, and the bonds of Maya are all broken. || 3 || He Himself is the Lord and Master, and He Himself is the servant. The Lord of the Universe Himself is all by Himself. O servant Nanak, He Himself is All-pervading; as He keeps us, we remain. || 4 || 6 || So yesterday I walked away and did not post anything, and basically left them to Guru. I have too many of my own failings too worry about them. As far as using other names. Everyone of these forums does. I honestly do not believe that all of you got these names you use from your parents or the Panj pyares. I just am no expert at this hidden stuff, and to be frank, I glad. This is just too much wasted mental energy. Back to normal life. I have no regrets about anything I have said about Nihangs and stand by everything, anyone who can protray Guru Ji in such a manner. What can i say? Then also talk about Shaheeds of the Panth. Still I try hard not to get vexed. I have bear no ill will to the moderators, and wish the Guru Maharajs blessings for this forum. I just have one more message on a nother thread, then will probably never visit any again. Apologies for any offence caused. waheguru ji ke khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh
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