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  1. "problem is that alot of Sikhs have a Hindu phobia because of which they try their best in distencing Sikhi from Indic religions while trying their best to portray Sikhi as an off shoot of Semitic religions" Yes indeed, it is all too familiar to hear (western born Sikhs, particularly from Canada and the UK) argue until blue in the face that Sikhi is not an Indian Religion and that Sikhs are distinct from Indians - what utter trash! As you point out, other 'Abrahamic' communities like Muslims and in particular, Christians in India are having a field day with their evangelical conversion e
  2. Mithr, That probably is an extreme example, however even (Sikh) authors from the 20th century, many of whom are well respected and not necessarily seeking to make Sikhi appear as an offshoot of Christiantiy or any ‘Abrahamic’ tradition, but owing to their educational and cultural surroundings end up explaining things in this manner. This is only natural in part, since we all do this – I come from a certain form of schooling further to which have developed a certain form of analysis and behaviour, owing to effectively my sex, social class and employment which will influence my take on
  3. "so due to the protestant influence, words like har get directlytranslated to god or lord, whereas they don;t exactly mean the same god as christian god. the translations are trying to portray crhistian god, but the bani is saying har" Er, no. This is the type of issue that ex-3HOer Kamalla Rose Kaur Khalsa likes to raise and then looks to appease her Universalist Universal Friends! The issue with the Christian schooling and Government during the Raj is that it brought with a certain methodology of viewing things - of particular importance to us here is the nature of God, Guru and Gurban
  4. This thread highlights the point I was making elsewhere about how adopting a particular worldview results in fundamental errors over our understanding of terms such as Guru and Gurbani. This is the underlying issue over the debate relating to Dr Pashaura Singh and why I find his treatment at the hands of several Sikh 'scholars' unacceptable given the implications it raises in view of the above thread.
  5. "Vent your questions and doubts and dispel them with the light of vichaar. Do not let 'faith' create a wall between you and Guru Ji" Thanks for this - it is of paramount importance to us all and well very put by you in your post. Best regards, Niranjana.
  6. Amardeep wrote: 1."going by your logic we could also exclude khande di pahul as none of the primary sources of Sikhism mention any of this (except for the 41.vaar of bhai "Gurdas" which is a dodgy text itself)" Response: Amardeep, having had previous contact with you, I am sure you know better than to raise this objection. The Amrit Sanchar has been and continues to be very much a living tradition (a 'vidi' that has been passed on from generation to generation), hence its adoption in all rehitnama literature (regardless of their other issues) and inclusion within the present day Sikh Re
  7. Xylitol, "As for the main sources (SGGS, SDGS etc), I don't know of any specific reference to Khalsa Raj from those, although Dasam Granth Sahib discusses Kalki Avtaar, who is yet to come. Perhaps there is a reference or implied reference to the Raj in there, I don't know" Precisely - you don't know! You and Mithr above have at best made use of conjecture (re: Kalki Avtar) and appeals to authority (re: famous Sant so and so said this, hence it must be true) which do nothing to address any of the queries raised above. Perhaps read my questions once more and kindly seek to find supporti
  8. Amardeep mentioned: “Prem Sumarag talks about the return of the Guru to create Satyuga and maybe a Khalsa Raj. Sau Sakhi and i think uggardanti also talks about it.†Again, the same points apply from above, please could we have a reference from the primary scriptures – surely something as important as the return of the Guru or the establishment of Khalsa Raaj would be mentioned in these scriptures. “Guru Nanaks bani also talks about Truth prevailing in the end, and falsehood being destroyed†This is fine – however why does this necessarily imply “Khalsa Raaj�
  9. Xylitol mentioned: “Khalsa Raj is mentioned in sau sakhi, as well as some other writings of the Guru†You are suggesting in your statement above that the Sau Sakhi is certainly a text that can be attributed in full to Guru Gobind Singh – this is going to open up a very large can of worms, I will refrain from doing so in the interest of space and in the knowledge that many on the forum are aware of these issues (and those who are not tend to have the common sense to research things, unlike the majority of other Sikh forums!). So, referring back to my original question, please coul
  10. Xylitol mentioned: “Khalsa Raj is mentioned in sau sakhi, as well as some other writings of the Guru†You are suggesting in your statement above that the Sau Sakhi is certainly a text that can be attributed in full to Guru Gobind Singh – this is going to open up a very large can of worms, I will refrain from doing so in the interest of space and in the knowledge that many on the forum are aware of these issues (and those who are not tend to have the common sense to research things, unlike the majority of other Sikh forums!). So, referring back to my original question, please coul
  11. "just wanted to start a discussion on Khalsa Raj" Please could someone provide a definition of "Khalsa Raj" and with it explain the following: 1. Where in Gurbani (either SGGS or SDGS and/or the writings of Bhai Gurdas Ji or Bhai Nand Lal) is an explicit reference made to the term "Khalsa Raaj" 2. What will be the intended legal structure and framework of this 'Raaj'? "I have heard some people talk about it like it's going to happen soon" Yes, I believe I have been hearing this story for several years: - Yogi Bhajan and 3HO have frequently provided stories which effectively i
  12. "just wanted to start a discussion on Khalsa Raj" Please could someone provide a definition of "Khalsa Raj" and with it explain the following: 1. Where in Gurbani (either SGGS or SDGS and/or the writings of Bhai Gurdas Ji or Bhai Nand Lal) is an explicit reference made to the term "Khalsa Raaj" 2. What will be the intended legal structure and framework of this 'Raaj'? "I have heard some people talk about it like it's going to happen soon" Yes, I believe I have been hearing this story for several years: - Yogi Bhajan and 3HO have frequently provided stories which effectively i
  13. Good luck Karmjeet - hope the studies work out well.
  14. "trap their victims into life long gratitude and allegiance to their dera etc helping them to invest more in their Chandigargh property portfolio" Spot on!
  15. Dancing Warrior, My initial comments were not directly to you per se, however I retract this statement, as you (like Karmjeet and Wahegurubol) feel it is acceptable to take a well-defined term and use it loosely and/or even re-define it (without indicating that you are doing this) and think that this is perfectly acceptable in terms of: (a) use of language ( form of communication © validation of your views
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