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  1. Mithr, “ Now you yourself deviated from the point of this thread which was first and foremost about Rajput Sikhs. But you decided to add some your views which were targeted towards Jatts and had absolutely NOTHING to do with Rajput Sikhs, and if I replied about that you are now telling me to not deviate from the point at hand and stick to the point†Actually no, my comments concerning the Jatts were raised with specific reference to Gyani Gyan Singh (a Dulutt Jatt) and his claims with regard to Bhai Mani Singh (who is mentioned in the opening comments on several occasions in this thre
  2. Mithr, “ Now you yourself deviated from the point of this thread which was first and foremost about Rajput Sikhs. But you decided to add some your views which were targeted towards Jatts and had absolutely NOTHING to do with Rajput Sikhs, and if I replied about that you are now telling me to not deviate from the point at hand and stick to the point†Actually no, my comments concerning the Jatts were raised with specific reference to Gyani Gyan Singh (a Dulutt Jatt) and his claims with regard to Bhai Mani Singh (who is mentioned in the opening comments on several occasions in this thre
  3. "You go to Guru Sahib, do ardas, get a hukamnama and follow it. To sit around and whine that becuase you're not getting something right now means that the Guru is not powerful blah blah is inane" Thanks for your sermon, however it is you who have misunderstood the situation, particularly with your closing comment: "To sit around and whine that becuase you're not getting something right now means that the Guru is not powerful blah blah is inane" a) I am not whining certainly not complaining about what I'm 'getting' or not 'getting' c) in no way am I suggesting that Guru Sahib is no
  4. Shaheediyan and Amardeep, I am not wishing to getting into a futile debate as to what constitutes the Mool Mantra (the Sikh Rehit Maryada has made its stance clear on this matter and various sampradhas have done likewise), what I am asking is simply the use of the terms "Bij", "Mool" and "Mala" Mantras within the context of Sikhi. The quote that you provided from Gurbani does not necessarily address the issue, Gurbani also mentions 'bij' mantra in Sukhmani Sahib, however neither this reference or the one provided by you necessarily correlates with the what Neo or 3HO assign to be the 'bi
  5. Shaheediyan and Amardeep, I am not wishing to getting into a futile debate as to what constitutes the Mool Mantra (the Sikh Rehit Maryada has made its stance clear on this matter and various sampradhas have done likewise), what I am asking is simply the use of the terms "Bij", "Mool" and "Mala" Mantras within the context of Sikhi. The quote that you provided from Gurbani does not necessarily address the issue, Gurbani also mentions 'bij' mantra in Sukhmani Sahib, however neither this reference or the one provided by you necessarily correlates with the what Neo or 3HO assign to be the 'bi
  6. "I should maybe have written "sceptical" ior "parhe -likhe" instead of "educated". " If you say so.
  7. "I don't know answer to your first question. I am not that knowledgeable how mangalcharan frameworks in sri guru granth sahib ji..may be amritpal singh veer ji would be better position to shed some light on this question". Amritpal Singh is no longer here on this forum, however there are many here with the good fortune to have sangat of Sants and Babas in the know and who make frequent reference this item, please could the appropriate people bring forth their understanding. "As far how bij, mool, mala mantra fits into this framework of maryada is simple. When we take amrit, we are also
  8. Shaheediyan: "The reference to XYZ giving amrit to so many is not actually refering to the absence of the Panj Pyare etc it is refering to the Baba's parchaar/smaagam. Unfortunately some overly fanatical chelai like to keep records and and promote the numbers of people saved to date...." Yes, indeed, but as you say it's a feather in XYZ Baba's turban, so to speak, to quote long lists of 'saved souls' yet the simple statement made on the Batra website (which clearly refers to the same underlying message that Baba Mehtab Singh Bance's sermons inspired several members of the sangat to take
  9. Mithr, "bro the level of hostility you have displayed here for Jatts is really too much" By what measure do you say it is 'too much'? Please quantify? I haven't referred to Jatts in any derogatory names (although go to any Jatt website and you'll frequently find them making reference to non-Jatts using a whole host of derogatory and petty names), rather I have simply highlighted historical and/or social issues. "It seems, everone is allowed to display hatred and a level of hostility for a caste, all except for the Jatts, because if the Jatts do it then they are Jatt supremecists".
  10. "please correct me, as I have not taken amrit, but don't the Panj Pyare and Guru Ji have authority to baptise people?" Yes, but how frequently do we hear the same comment passed about Sant so and so Singh, Baba XYZ Singh or Bhai Blah Blah Singh...of course, no one bats an eyelid when these statements are passed!
  11. "Luckily, there are still people around (some very educated) who witnessed the events first hand and confirm what happened" Being 'very educated' does not necessarily mean anything in of itself. It is very common to find 'very educated' surgeons, lawyers, doctors, engineers in the West who get duped into following the likes of Sai Baba. (For the record, I am not comparing Sai Baba with Sant Ishar Singh, the reference is made solely with respect to so-called 'educated' people).
  12. "according to Giani Gian Singh Dullat [1822-1921], author of the Panth Parkash, of a Dullat Jatt family of Kamboval village (now extinct)" Again, I am going to deviate from Shaheediyan's comments for the time being. I have made reference to that Great Sanatan Sikhi Scholar Gyani Gyan Singh on several occasions on this forum - his works are replete with Jatt Supremicist language and notions - so hardly surprising that he attempts to link himself with one of the greatest Khalsa heroes (Bhai Mani Singh) to aid propaganda of his intellectually dishonest work. So whilst Shaheediyan, I wholly
  13. "Ikongkar is bij(seed) of sri guru granth sahib ji, mool mantar is root of sri guru granth sahib ji, japji sahib is summary of whole sri guru granth sahib ji and rest of contents in sri guru granth sahib ji is gyan further explained based on bij, mool and japji sahib(mala mantar)" Using this explanation, if the Mool Mantra is the basic (mool) form (or 'root' as you like to call it) of the Guru Granth Sahib and Ikongkar the bij(seed) mantra, please could you explain how the manglacharan "Ek Ongkar Sat Gur Prashad" fits into this framework. Also, as per Rehit for an Amritdhari Sikh, the ma
  14. "problem is that alot of Sikhs have a Hindu phobia because of which they try their best in distencing Sikhi from Indic religions while trying their best to portray Sikhi as an off shoot of Semitic religions" Yes indeed, it is all too familiar to hear (western born Sikhs, particularly from Canada and the UK) argue until blue in the face that Sikhi is not an Indian Religion and that Sikhs are distinct from Indians - what utter trash! As you point out, other 'Abrahamic' communities like Muslims and in particular, Christians in India are having a field day with their evangelical conversion e
  15. Mithr, That probably is an extreme example, however even (Sikh) authors from the 20th century, many of whom are well respected and not necessarily seeking to make Sikhi appear as an offshoot of Christiantiy or any ‘Abrahamic’ tradition, but owing to their educational and cultural surroundings end up explaining things in this manner. This is only natural in part, since we all do this – I come from a certain form of schooling further to which have developed a certain form of analysis and behaviour, owing to effectively my sex, social class and employment which will influence my take on
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