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Gupt Singh

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  1. farla means ur a general i thought or something like that......anyone can wear a chakar tho
  2. lol, please, ask anyone who used to/listens to alot of rap.......lets assume pacs best album was makaveli or all eyez on me......and compare that to illmatic.......ANYONE knows that illmatic is a classic.......it doesnt have the beats of pac albums (cuz its older) but its blatantly obvious that illmatic does a dump on any other album u cant really compare pac to nas becuz nas has changed alot since illmatic (all the cr*p albums inbetween and gods son) whilst pac has been relatively consistent and has released alot more music...... if u like, 2pac is like a cadburys dairy milk.......tasty to anyone and nas (illmatic time) is like one of those belgian chocolates......u need to be a chocolate conoisseur to appreciate it :wink: :wink: :wink: just out of interest, hav u actually HEARD illmatic? all of it? and u cant really expect a topic on rap music to be intellectual anyway :roll:
  3. .......illmatic is definately better than any of pacs albums. "i never sleep cuz sleep is the cousin of death"
  4. contrary to brainwashed mullah ideas, theres less science in the quran than a preschool nursery book. any possible science in teh quran is refuted at www.faithfreedom.org in the articles section. please have a good read and u will be convinced that there is absolutely not science in the quran whatsoever. on the other hand, the guru granth sahib ............
  5. lol i wudnt say any rap music was "deep".....the only rapper who was semi-deep was nas (back in illmatic days).......pac was good because he sounded stressed out on his tracks/like he really meant it......he cud rap the abc n u wud still "feel" it lol
  6. pheena said she (he?) commented on things from real life experience, implying that i was against wearing gold because id never worn it or never had any experience in it. n she (he) sed: n i sed, u can talk, u havent even grown ur kesh, and u were talking about how its not totally a hugely bad thing to cut it a while bak im sure.......yeah its personal......but its related. bottom line.............gold is not inkeeping with the concept of simple, honest living in sikhi. and just becuz u dont think it affects u doesnt mean it doesnt............theres something called the subconscious mind :roll:
  7. hav u met me? do u know hu i am? well, ive just admitted im a cr*p sikh, and now your saying im being egotistical.....have you got a degree in pseudo psychology?.... lol im not asking u 2 do a personality study on me.....im asking you to reevaluate ur progress on the spiritual path and admit when ur wrong. im a sehajdhari, and im slowly slowly tryna follow the rehat. u didnt read what i said - if only sarbloh bibekis told us to do sarbloh bibek, virtuall no1 would preach it, hence even less people would follow it! bla bla........what im saying is.......jewellry is unnecessary. why dont u refute what other people have said instead of saying the same thing to me? harmandhir sahib is wrapped in gold because maharajah ranjit singh put it on, just like he had concubines, did adultery and drunk alot of sharab. i dont think any of us knows what goes on in our subconscious mind. if your mom gave u a tacky plastic kiddies chain with a mickey mouse on the end, would u wear it so proudly and obviously ontop of ur clothes? obviously not. hm i wonder why? choke......gurgle.......drowning ive done amritvela in the past and its wicked. so i tell ppl that amritvela is good. i have worn jewelry in the past and ive realised its gay, so i say its bad to wear jewellery. just like i used to listen to rap music and stopped and now im anti rap music. ur making it out like ur well experienced in the rehat lol...from what i know u dont even grow ur kesh!!!!!! no, im saying its wrong to wear a necklace and its wrong to wear expensive clothes. n im working my way out of it. i know i have to take amrit, but i havent taken it yet, does that make me a hypocrite? nah, cuz im working towards it. strange, even tho im not a particularly good persuader, i have already helped sum1 grow their kesh in the past. so i would say my "preachings" affected at least 1 person. only i wudnt call it preaching, id call it telling them what is right and wrong. by that rationale, come back here on the sikhi board when u r sikh - which is once uve taken amrit! everyone knows amritvela is an important part of the rehat and everyone spoke out against kala afgana when he said amritvela was rubbish. but half those people didnt do amritvela day in day out. so are these all evil hypocrites who shud go away and come back once htey have never missed an amritvela? i think ur just raw cuz no1 agrees with u that jewelry is ok in sikhi
  8. nope, i openly admit that i am not a sikh, i have not taken amrit, and i am a total moorakh, i admit i wear expensive clothes and i shouldnt, whilst you refuse to admit its wrong to wear gold jewellry! if only sarbloh bibekis "preached" the importance of sarbloh bibek no1 else new would start following it! regardless of whether i am a amritdhari or not, my points still valid, and as is everyone elses.
  9. baba manochal is right. jewelry is stoopid. just like the rehatnama says. nothing else to say really, unless u want to mention other pieces of jewelry your parents have brought u.
  10. i used to listen to 2pac but then when i gave up rap music for kirtan i stopped. 2pac himself a short fool. i guess compared to other rappers hes ok tho.
  11. there are 2 types of cloth i know of rubia (used for folded phug, thicker) and malmal (used for dumalla/round phug, thinner) malmal will make your phug look better and is easier to handle (u can bunch it up better) but it is very delicate. u will get holes in it eventually i think. wash it in cold water, by hand, etc.... i use malmal. make sure you get it alot longer though, since becuz its thinner u need more to make the same shape. u can get malmal cloth from indian cloth stores i think.......theres a place in southall that does it........
  12. alams pornographic book is called kam kandlan. its been mentioned a fair few times. why dont u read it or lean about it.... just because you are unable to refute the points of a relatively ignorant 16 year old non amritdhari who doesnt even wear his panj kakkars all the time, your saying im crying and whining? LOL! at my local gurdwara most people are akj, and they agree with me with your super-taksali knowledge why cant u explain the numbering and grammar in ragmalla? ooooooooo big words from the neo one......gwan ban me if u want, ill go and sit in the corner and cry :cry: :roll: but ull be banning me becuz u werent knowledgable to prove what u consider part of the guru granth sahib to be bani. considering people here (excluding pheena) are meant to be knowledgable, its very suprising you werent aware of what kam kandlan was. and if you werent, its obvious that you never came to an informed decision on ragmalla :wink: the fact that this thread is incredibly long, and its filled with stuff like ban warnings from the neo one and sarcastic remarks from the wannabe-humble niranjana, but still no one has clear cut proved its gurbani (other than saying "its in a few old birs").........shouldnt the divine light be shining out in the ragmalla making it blatantly obvious its gurbani? divine ras has been imbued in every line of the guru granth.......why is it people are struggling to prove ragmalla is real? i find it strange that people have to justify gurbani historically rather than by looking at its poetic and spiritual (or lack of) qualities.
  13. n30 singh ur "faith" in guru granth sahib is pretty contradictory if you believe it just because its in old birs, unless you read teh rattan malla etc aswell........it suprises people how everyone is choosing to ignore that if u really think bhai randhir singh is in hell, thats up 2 u really. but maybe it will "chop off" ur ego a bit to know that they are at a higher spiritual state then u ever will be the akal takht wont kick me out the panth, dont worry, a)becuz im not khalsa yet, and so technically im not even in the panth and akal takht have already said that its ok to read it or not read it. theres a good discussion on ragmalla going on at sikhsangat.com where more knowledgable gursikhs are debating - and so far the pro ragmalla peeps are just continually quoting the same stuff from that taksal website over and over :roll: i have faith in the guru granth sahib thankyou very much, so much faith that i believe guru sahib was perfect - i believe he would not add bani which had grammar mistakes, numbering mistakes, or borrow it from a pornographic book!!!!!!
  14. n30 singh did u not read what i said? prove to me ragmalla is gurbani. i have a totally open mind on this but so far no one has, in a really analytical and systematic way, argued the points ive presented (excluding the historical ones) on why the ragmalla is not gurbani. however, what is the point in saying you will pay the price for chopping off an ang from gurbani etc etc...............are you better than bhai randhir singh? at your age, bhai randhir singh, bhai jeevan singh, etc were at a much higher spiritual level then you where. bhai sahibs chilling in saackhand, hes not trekking thru jampur cuz he didnt read a controversial page of the sggs :roll: also no one has actually said what the origins of ragmalla are. there are multiple theories and all contradict each other. one is that guru arjun wrote the ragmalla and alam copied him (doesnt hold up since the writer of the pro ragmalla article confuses guru gobind singhs court poet with akbars court poet)........a copy of alams ragmalla, written before guru arjuns time, still exists as part of the kam kandlan story. plus the ragmalla style of writing is mirrored in all his work. the second theory is that alam wrote the ragmalla and asked for it to be put into the sggs...that also makes no sense since alam was not a divinely inspired man and ragmalla wasnt dhurr kee banee......and if we read the kam kandlan story u know what i mean. theres another one bt i cant remember it do u lot believe in the raaag malla? recipies at the end of old birs? the 41st var of varan? these are all removed from gurbani but i dont see u screamin "RAM RAI!" at them. Mods note: Plese do not disrepect what some people consider as bani by calling it names, for the sake of respect. thank you
  15. i can have a bacardi breezer and i can still "love" god.........but rehatnamas say......"dont drink" and they also say "dont wear make up or jewlery" "my mommy gave it to me" isnt really the best argument ive heard for wearing jewelry, neither is "it doesnt affect my love for god so its ok"......if thats the only reason then it is totally unneccesary!
  16. lol its funny here how everyone is saying how bad it is to reject ragmalla but still no one has been able to prove content wise it is real (if we ignore birs etc because im not so knowledgeable on that)......if u continuously go on about how "some people just dont have faith in their guru".....hey......id like to see anyone here keep full sarbloh bibek rehat like bhai randhir singh did in jail for a day.....there are plenty of gursikhs who have rejected ragmalla and plenty who have accepted....and most ppl here arent gonna be half the singhs that these people were so why dont u keep "faith in the guru" out of it.......if anything rejecting ragmalla shows just as much faith in SGGS since they see the ragmalla as fallible and see the rest of gurbani as infallible. books have been written on the dodginess of the kartarpuri bir. this is why many scholars have started to look at other birs (dodgy ones as well tho containing kacchi bani) to start alternate theories of which the original bir was. im not agreeing with these theories but it further proves that the status of the kartarpuri bir as the original bir is a little bit shaky. as for the akal takht situation im not sure, but i do know there have been times recently when it has not been read - so why is such a fuss being made over it? i dont say my word is better than gurujis, but like ive said a million times, if you find a bir with rattan malla at the end (and there are many) and reject it, are u a "modern ram rae" too? of course it wouldnt make a difference if it was in harmandir sahib. they dont let women to seva in harmandir sahib. they have a parshada machine. previously there have been idols in it. ahmed shah abdali made it a brothel. harmandir sahib is not immune to the corruption of sikhi - the place is cleaned with milk (altho whether thats bad or not i dunno, but sounds a lil hindu to me)..........so yes, whether or not the harmandir sahib bir has ragmalla or not is irrelevent, because its certainly not one written by the gurus.
  17. if the bir in harmandir sahib did have ragmalla, what difference would it make? it certainly wasnt handwritten by the gurus. unless its got signatures of the gurus on it which are authenticised (and im not talking about signatures which are written in different styles by supposedly the same person like in the kartarpuri bir :roll: ) i dismiss the ragmalla currently on the evidence that ive presented, and im still waiting for people to discuss the points on grammar, numbering, the "seal" section before it, etc. its not like my ideas are set in stone and i wont listen - ive already changed my views in the past on ragmalla, and if u provide any more evidence then i might change my opinion.....but for now like ive said im more convinced it isnt rather than is gurbani.
  18. yeah but why wud u want to wear the necklace in the first place? thats what im attempting to find out ere..........bt no replies
  19. im not sure actually. anyone know hte history of this bir? i know that akal takht do not recite ragmalla. this may have changed recently, but i know in the past ragmalla has not been read...........correct me if im wrong.
  20. the read budha dal is the shaheeds who fought in 78, 84-present day the so called nihung budha dal is non existent really. and the real soldiers weve got left are scattered either in pakistan or abroad
  21. pheena, how else are we going to work out the proper rehat? do u have an alternative idea? the rehat maryada was worked out, probably in a very similar way. i personally base my opinions on 1. gurbani - sggs, sdgs 2. reliable historical accounts - bhatt vahis, contemporary accounts 3. rehatnamas - bhai daya singh, sau sakhi etc and 4. historical texts like panth prakash - dodgy but they do have some things that can be verified by the previous 2-3. if one rehatnama says do x, i wouldnt put much faith in something if 2 said do x, i would check it against gurbani if 3 said do x, then i would seriously consider it and if 4 different people (and i dont mean "scholars" i mean people like bhai daya singh who are one of the original panj pyare of 1699) all tell me to do this one thing then chances are, its real.
  22. trust me i dont know much about rehatnamas........all i do know is.........if there was one source of the rehat which was reliable thruout.....then there would be no arguments over rehat....but the fact is there are blatantly contradictions in the same rehatnamas as i pointed out in a post written by balpreet singh - bhai chaupa singh blatantly contradicts himself. i think its been obvious theyve been changed as i said.........but we cant really take an all or nothing approach......my way at looking at rehatnamas is........if you can find 3, 4 or 5 rehatnamas which all say the same thing, plus they can be put past the test of gurbani, then they are real. example, say we want to prove what the 4 kurehits are - i know bhai desa singh says it, so does bhai nand lal, now we can also back this up with other rehatnamas, as well as 2 bhatt vahi accounts (v reliable) i know offhand, and im sure most historical texts mention it, as do contemporary reports of the time (theres a musalman who says it, cant remember who)....so from that evidence its obvious what the kurehits are. we definately cant take one rehatnama and say this part of the rehat is definately true. but if many say the same thing it is much more likely. plz correct any mistakes
  23. i do, because i dont want any india RAW agents on my ass altho having sed that.....im less pro khalistan than i used 2 b...so i dnt really talk about it as much.
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