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yeh but there's a difference between dicussing a point and slandering our beliefs. That NewAgeBrahman wasn't going to listen to what we had to say and was only trying to insult/irritate us. Would you like it if I started a post of how we should do whatever the hell we like because God is supposed to be merciful and that the Khalsa is too tight with the rules. You see if we let any idiot say what they want they'll flood the forum with garbage and the rest of us will just generally be annoyed ploughing through blasphemous post after post. Anyway Commander is right. BTW yes I do know my post is tad exaggerated.

What I notice is that most Singhs who whine that Sikh girls don't like their beards or turbans go after girls who are barely Sikh in the first place.

Reminds me of the kind of stuff that poets like Blake would have said about the establishment (the government, the Church and the monarchy) back in his time. I think she has made a valid point, if no one stands up (I know it was only a forum) then who's keep these people in check. Though burning MAY be a bit too extreme. I think she's only mad because he's supposed to represent us and thats the image he put forward to the public on our behalf. Does anyone from the midlands remember that granthi who smuggled drugs into Leicester prison? By the way I'm not critiscising "sants" nor do I support them.

In response to shaka's earlier comments, Well who told you he (Mr T) was gay, have you seen him getting jiggy with other guys or did he make a pass at you in those bars you go. Yes gays can drink milk but its one of Mr T's trademarks as well as his many others like the A Team, Clubber Lang (Rocky 3) etc. No ones gonna remember him for being gay (not that anyone I know heard these so called rumours :roll: ) but they will for the A Team (even though that was corny). O yeh as a matter of fact I do have a mucha (as well as kes), and I don't practise "tradition" just religion and I can preach Sikhism if I want, just because I can't play a vaja or hunt a deer :roll: means that I'm a hypocrite or a false Sikh. Anyone (Khalsa or not) should preach Sikhism so as long as they're not bordering hypocrasy (ie getting drunk, sleeping around, inciting prejudice etc). Anyway forget about him, this post wasn't about him or homosexuality. I'm gonna forget about that making that post back to that gorie (mainly to avoid getting spammed by a mob of atheists and Nagra lovers) but it annoyed me that she implied how religion CAN NOT co exist with a career (I highlighted the relevant parts in her post). Also her suggestion that we should take our oppurtunities over our parents wishes is a selfish suggestion (which is why I guess you don't get any Sikhs in pensioner homes), wouldn't it be better to make your parents proud and help yourself out at the same time.

That is correct, but I was comparing them in the context of worship rather than community services and I was trying to stay with the topic at hand rather than side track so I just made a comparison concerning worship. However I acknowledge that I am incorrect in that respect.

Since when was Mr T gay? Last time I checked he was a exercise, milk promoting role model who doesn't drink and is suppose to be a good Christian and a family man. I don't adore the guy but I thought the avatar was a bit funny. "Gurdvara the equivalent of a church"?!?!??!?! What a joke!!! The gurdvara is Maharaj's court, a darbar not a church!!!" uhhhh, it IS the equivalent as it is where we congregate and Christians congregate in Churches. Both buildings are used for the worship of God and mass/sangat. Are you trying to say that the Church is obsolete because they havn't got their own Guru Granth Sahib Ji or are you trying to say that Christians are praying in vain to the "wrong" god.

Since when was Mr T gay? He doesn't even drink and is suppose to be a good Christian and a family man.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0286499/board/nest/6676375 Original post "After the big backlash on "Lost in Translation" "The Joy Luck Club" and "My Big Fat Greek Wedding", I'm curious now. Any Asian Indians out there who were offended by "Bend It Like Beckham"? If so, why?!" My post (after like 10 i think and the only Sikh one too) "Yeh I was offended because I was brought up quite conservatively (though I found religion for myself) and I felt that the film promotes stereotypes and trivialises Sikh family values. For example, in our culture we would obey and respect our parents discission (unless of course they were wishing you to do evil etc). So stuff like when she lied to her parents several times and when she skipped Gurdwara (Sikh equivalent of a church) just to play football. Also the parents were made to look pretentious and over bearing (particularly the mother who seemed to be a fanatic at times). Also I found it offensive how the girl ran off with the coach, in our culture it is seen as very important to marry off to another Sikh (wether or not the marriage was arranged) and it really triviliased the subject and kind of promoted the idea that the old religion/culture is silly/pointless as the parents were made to look unfair and strict wheras Jess being young and innocent appealed to the audience. Another thing that annoyed me was how the mother would talk to her photo of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji (revered to as Baba Ji in the movie), in Sikhism idolism is rejected yet it shows her treating the picture like it had a soul. This is just an opinion from a practising Sikh. Also I wouldn't have enjoyed the film anyway, it was quite mediocre I felt, if you've seen East Is East or American Desi then the ethnic jokes would seem rather bland. Plus the lesbian subplot was only mildly funny and the gay joke was completely random and out of place. Though her obnoxious friends (the male ones obviously) were a tad bit funny but in my opinion still doesn't redeem the film." Some (apparantly) gorie/atheist's reply to my post: "Okay, I have to ask...do many of you folks see what you're doing here? By decrying stereotypes, you perpetuate them. Does it matter so very much that Jes' family is not the `perfect' Sikh representation? Isn't that the point of the movie? That *no one* is perfect regardless of race, and that every race, color, creed, nationality, religion, and sexual orientation have the exact same problems as every other person alive in the world. What I got out of the movie...strip away the titles and labels. Indian, Sikh, Irish, British, white, male, female, old, young...and just see these characters as people. Not every person born to a Sikh family is going to embrace the culture. Jes happens to be one of them; she respects her family's culture but is also embracing her own life. Every person with a mind, heart, and soul does the same thing. Being born into a Sikh family...or American Indian family, or Chinese family, or white ultra-right-wing religious conservative family...does not automatically mean you have to do and be exactly the same. You've seen this movie a thousand times before, and probably laughed and cheered. Think `Dirty Dancing', `Footloose', `Malibu's Most Wanted', `School of Rock', etc and so forth. Parents want one thing for a child, child has a gift or talent the family thinks is foolish or not worth pursuing, child is determined to go their own way... By focusing on the ethnicity, nationality, or religious persuasion of a particular character, you yourself are perpetuating stereotypes and racism. Claiming that a certain detail somehow overpowers the basic humanity of the character. People are just...people. To me, that's where BILB really outdid the competition. Jules and Jes have the exact same problems: both Moms want their daughters to live their version of the traditional life. Cultures and religion really don't enter into it. It's about the new generation having the chance and the choice to pursue their dreams, not their parents. Trying and perhaps failing, but having the freedom to make the choice, take the chance. I've been lucky to be exposed to a broad variety of races and cultures in my time. And not just exposure to the culture as a whole, but the individuals within it. Guess what? They've all got the same basic problems, worries, and fears as casual old white-bread American me. Parents want their kids to excel, kids want to push the boundaries and establish their own identities, the rent has to be paid, food has to be cooked, people die suddenly and unexpectedly, babies are born, and life goes on. The human experience is omni-racial. I'm pretty certain everyone here of a particular race, religion, or ethnicity knows someone who gossips, cheats on their spouse, lies habitually, has moved outside their culture, is repressive, obsessive, neurotic, psychotic, alcoholic, drug addict, unwed parent, ad infinitum. That doesn't make them...or you...stereotypes. It makes all of us human. Think about it." God talk about loose liberal, an obviously anti religious hippie type person so I can't get her to shut the hell up by explaining Sikhism to her, so can anyone here help me out because I all i got so far is "The original post asks if any Indians (ie originating from the Indian subcontinent) were offended and i was therefore i made the post. Your opinion is invalid in relation to the topic at hand so don't attack and shove your beliefs down my throat, I was just expressing an opinion from someone who IS actually from the same culture rather than someone who has embraced another culture and has little experience of his ancestors culture other than being tanned." BTW I think every one on these forums should register on this site http://www.imdb.com/ because some of these films are very overated whilst others are very underated (based on user votes which I believe don't represent a large enough proportion of society).

Well I'll reply to Deepthinker despite his ban. I was commenting on the small kirpans that were being discussed as well as self defence situations. You took it out of context by suggesting that the kirpan would out when not needed, I was commenting on the fear of the aggressor which would be fine.

"neo i dont thinnk you should say this because you yourself wear a small kirpan with your kanga. if you wore a gatra one then i think it would be ok for you to say this. i recommend that everyone one should wear a gatra wale kirpan." - Dassan Das Well I disagree with you, not only is it better than having no weapon at all, also you'd be surprised how scared some people are of it.

I agree with Lion King its this kind of attitude among the elder (as in the pre generation x'ers) non Khalsa that has caused a great deal of apostasy in the youth. Though the elder non Khalsa generation may "appear" to care but because of this attitude (that it "doesn't matter") the "Sikh" youth don't really care if it doesn't involve bhangra or barcardi. Don't misinterpret me I am only critiscising those Sikhs who keep using the "what's inside" excuse to avoid gurbani, gurdwara etc There are plenty of Sikhs who are non Khalsa and are genuinely good but they never put down or even suggest that the Khalsa as is unnecessary or obsolete.

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Damn shame I found this topic too late. Well anyway by western secular standards Jamuka is right about the lack of freedom and how Bush and Blair are fighting for what is right. However has anyone noticed how democratic countries become more liberal over time for example look at how progressively trashy western society has become over the last 100 years, even India is catching up look at how sleazely Bollywood films are getting. My friend who has been to Iran says it isn't as bad as everyone's making out, its just that you cannot break Islamic law like drinking, porno or thieving. Also any religion is allowed there just as long as you're not Ba'hai or breaking Islamic law. Well that's what I've heard anyway. Anyway there is supposed to be a flourishing Sikh community over there so it can't be that bad. Also a Sikh friend of mine from Bahrain says its a much better country (overall health, education etc) than the UK and there are more biggots over here than there. I use to really hate Islam (not because of my pro Indian friends) but because I always thought that freedom of expression and democracy was what we should all aim for but look at the cost, liberals, nightclubs, cheap booze, tacky repetitive music, the need to buy the logos rather than the clothes and the dumbing down of society. That is when I realised that all these Muslim countries arn't anti democracy, they're just pro religion and anti sleaze but unfortuanately also anti Israel which is why they take a lot of heat from Western countries. I'm glad that Bush liberated the Iraqi's from secular Saddam now because its pretty inevitable that the Shiite are going to take over and make another theocracy in the Middle East. Put it this way would it be easier to raise a Sikh in this "ideal" consumer fashion world or in "oppressive" and "evil" Iran.