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Baba Manochal

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  1. Ans to 5) yes guru ji is of those qualities... do you fear the guru? Do you follow everything that guru ji says to the letter? If not then you must also be unafraid. 10) do you ever go to mutha tekh to guru granth sahib ji maharajh... have you lost all your kaam krodh lobh moh hankaar? im not even talking about the story or otherwise just pointing out the fact that people always talk a good game. The chritar should be taken out should they?? Go on then do it soldier!! Lets see you do it, form your group or one man band whatever, and take them out.. same as some other guys who were
  2. Fauji ji, you got too much time on ur hands bro!! Damn man maybe you think we should all write an essay on each of ur questions!! This is too funny
  3. Firstly, my friend i urge you to go to the police. They know how to deal with similar cases, dnt just talk the talk do something about it, otherwise drop the issue because its not getting anybody anywhere?!? If somebody was a dreggy and has redeemed themselves are they still to be judged? I dont know which people your on about but if this is the case then thats a differet story. As far as names, well uv already given a few there, now if your wrong then maybe some people will be wanting words with you at some stage in the future. Please remember people as i keep repeating, wen we rant an
  4. Im quite worried about these claims of people being rapists and pimps etc, if anyone has such information then surely as a sikh their first course of action should be to report it to the police!!! if not that, then take the relevant matters into your own hands as nihangs singhs should do being the warriors of the guru. Please keep us updated on the progress of your police reports that you file on these guys, they should definetly be locked away for doing these things. ..... unless your chatting rubbish of course!! Mods, erm i could be wrong, but last time i spoke to the bibi she s
  5. anyone?? Can you be a jathedhar and not have a farla!?!? narsingha have you got a farla?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moderator Note: This discussion is locked as participant wants to get feedback from one of our member which he can do through PM or by sending him e-mail. This is discussion is locked due to violation of rule number 4. 4- Two people replying back and fourth to each other, changing the topic. Please note this is a discussion forum not a chatroom. Hijacking a thread and turning it into an endless back and fo
  6. http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...opic.php?t=3007 i tried to get some answers similar to the above in this thread... ended up with the fact that there didnt appear to be a consitent definition of chatka, hence virtually everything seemed to be chatka.
  7. Neo, im not jatha bashing or promoting, i dont think iv said anywhere that any particular group gave more than any other in any of my arguments, you'll find that its usually people with little knowledge on this topic who jump to the conclusion that it was only singhs from taksal etc, but those who know a little of the movement such as our brother sukhdev singh will tell you that the singhs were from varied backgrounds and different jathe. However that doesnt mean that we cannot critisice where critcism is due. Im not denying budha dal's contribution hundreds of years ago and against the br
  8. Well said Sukhdev Singh Ji, thanks for clearing up those points about the background of Shaheed Avtar Singh Bhrama. I would also like to add that i agree, the people who you term 'taksali youth' have plenty of other things to worry about such as seva and parchar, lol not sit around blaming nihangs fot the problems of the world!! The fact that in this particular discussion/topic they are to blame in the sense that they did nothing for the people is different. That blame is fair and justified. There are many other problems that we face such as female infanticide, lack of faith given to gur
  9. Well then what are you suggesting? I dont know, to me that sounds like your contracdicting yourself? On one hand your saying that they didnt come to kill sant ji, and then on the other hand your suggesting that if he hadnt been there, then they wouldnt have attcked? Surely thats the same thing, that they came to get him?? As has been pointed out numerous other gurdwara shaibs were attacked at the same time, they also experienced beadbi and were ruined and sikhs were killed there as well. Was Sant Jarnail Singh Ji at each of those gurdwara sahibs as well? Were they fortified? If no
  10. A common mistake people make is that the army attacked darbar sahib in order to kill Sant Jarnail Singh Ji. That is far from the truth, if they had wanted him dead, they could have killed him when he gave up voluntary arrest, they could have intensified the assasination attempts. They made a couple of feeble ones but nothing of substance. The attack on darbar sahib was exactly that, an attack on darbar sahib. Sant Ji had been doing the same parchar and carrying the same shastar for many years previously, its just a nice excuse for the army to say that we went in to flush them out, its rubb
  11. Hello? Any replies as to maryada of keeping farleh? Please could somebody provide the answers? Iron Bangle brother, it seems that there is some serious allegations made by people concerning the vichaar of baba nihal singh ji (please see discussion on them) and until the question i have asked on their i think it would be better to get the Budha Dal answer from jagdeep first. then see what baba nihal singh says, its not like in the old days when the nihangs all used to believe in the same things is it! Please somebody the farla maryada?!
  12. Intresting, can somebody also answer the other parts of the original question, concerning the actual practice of wearing a farla. I,e, length, time when has to be worn, when (if) can be removed, ranks associated with farla etc etc as asked in first question.
  13. What exactly is a farla and how do you go about getting one? Who is eligible to hand one out? What is the maryada to keeping one? Ie what length should it be, when do you have to wear it? When can you take it off? Also what doe sit mean to have one? Are all people with a farla on the same level of respect? Or can you get different ranks of farleh as well?
  14. Yes he did explain to us sikhs that we are not hindu's. That was a misconception amongst many, and sant ji challenged it and rewoke the sikh identity, which is prob why today you dont need to consider whether you are a hindu or not!
  15. Yes thank you jamuka, i think were all aware of what Guru Ji says about rituals. Do me a favour go to the same search engine, or book etc and search for 'serve the guru' or something along those lines. Tell me how much gurbani there is about how the true sikh will always do the ultimate seva of his guru, the guru who will unite him with the husband lord etc etc Ps your last posted article seemed substatially about Dasam Granth, thats a different topic altogether!! And also another thing you might have missed, all these groups rss, radhaswamis narakdhari's etc etc, were oppossed openl
  16. Dont forget the sprinkling of water before Guru ji as well! In fact if one was to think logically and without heartful emotion then much of the way we treat our guru could be considered ritual. Before you call something nonsense, think, what i repeated was actually from gurbani. Be careful before you throw words around. what i wrote was i apologise for missing one word in the first sentance, should have read critisised the stones as they would NOT be able... but the second line is in gurbani, try searching for it and you will see. Guru ji contains the works of many hindu s
  17. Ok will only make a short posting as i have a number of things to do!! As far as i know, Guru Ji did call people fools. over and over and over Guru Ji tells us that those who forget Vaheguru in this world and get deluded by maya etc are fools. Call it moorakh, manmukh whatever you like, guru ji clearly distinguishes between the gurmukh and the manmukh. So yes Guru ji did call people like myslef fools. You say sants etc are nothing to you, but to many other sikhs they mean so much, even guru ji says that i am a sacrifice to those who sing your name and that may he be sacrificed for them
  18. When we talk of children, you need to remember that when they are young, most of what they do will be via copying their parents. They speak because you say words in certain ways. If you teach them to brush their teeth, they will do so because you have told them and because you do so yourself. They have no idea of the benifits of why they should do this! For many people bowing your head is a ritual as has prev been mentioned. Its about explaining who Guru Ji is. If we were to act like we wanted to get rid of the 'ritual' or 'percieved ritual' things for the benifit of our kids... then there wo
  19. Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa, pheena and neo, love your points! To my other friend, please read Bhai Gurdas Ji's varan, and try and read up a little of how much respect he was given by Guru Ji himself and the various seva that bhai gurdas ji did during his life. Then perhaps you will realise that after Guru Ji, bhai gurdas ji is the place to look for guidance. Hence the entire 'key' concept. Again Kaur Ji, good point to bring up the example of Guru Angad Dev Ji maharajh. Just take a look at the things that Guru Ji did for Guru Nanak Dev Ji! Most of these would seem illogical, an example being
  20. Ps make your mind up over jews, jews are not united, they have many factions which believe in diff things. Ps jews also have their own homeland which you seem to be against, and by the way the jews did survive history. Bur just about, they been persecuted and thrown out of every country they been in, then they were nearly wiped out last centuary. How have they managed to get some stability? By creating Israel. Dont quote jews unless you know what your on about.
  21. Beast are you a singh? Sorry to start this again, buts mods this guy keeps asking for it!! Beast if your a singh, do you deserve to call yourself a singh, and watch a fight?? Do you deserve to be a singh and watch someone be attacked? Maybe the singh was upset and responded in the way he thought correct given the point of contention. Who are you to judge?! lol i love the 'who are you to judge' argument!! it can be used by everyone, anytime, in every single situation imaginable!! But beast please do reply.
  22. Lol, hey mr banda why not try answering some of the questions if you actually want to get involved in this discussion?!? ok lets see.... Firstly before anything else, please study this period of history and see the problem that the sikhs were facing. Then try telling us that it had nothing to do with sikhi!! eg, did narkdhari gurbachna papi while he was doing beadbi to guru granth sahib ji have anything to do with sikhi? Or was it politics? Was it the nihang singhs who killed him? Or the fanatics? Please give me an example of a single papi whom the budha dal killed or dealt with during thi
  23. LOL have you finished your babbling!? Im sorry to say but it prob will be the 'khaliban' (nice word play!) who defend the panth. Eg members of this group blow up Police prat Gobind Ram! Charges against him included Shaving off half the moustache and beard of an amritdhari singh, and making 2 amritdhari women drink his urine in a bowl, telling them that since they had drank the amrit of Gobind Singh, it was now their turn to drink the 'amrit' of gobind ram. Yup the fanatics blew him up!! Was it the nihangs? Nope it was the fanatics with their ak-47's!! Would they ... really? Please
  24. Huh Toronto? Sorry mate i have some relatives in Vancouver and a couple of people fresh from the boat in tronto somewhere! but no mates who would have anything to do with this! lol I agree with keeping cool, im just pointing out what you said. Most of the discussions are usually about differences in maryada, are you saying that you keep out of those discussions? You have said that we cannot doubt budha dal maryada? the question arises, why not? Seems just about everything else in sikhi is, so why not these. Bro i know your not a nihang, just showing you your slip up. Ps Take your number
  25. Silly question i know, but how big was the Kingdom of Ranjit Singh when it was passed over to the british? For some reason i cant get the map to fully open on my screen, but does it include all the areas under ranjit singh as punjab? eg all the way to kabul?
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