wahegurubol Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Mehtaab Singhji, for good information I suggest you read the book Guru Nanak Dev ji by Dr. Tarlochan Singh, it is a 600 page biography. The book is also available online to read at http://www.allaboutsikhs.com just go into the Guru's section/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahegurubol Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahegurubol Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 As for my paki friend (now i would call a pakistan, a paki only, what else). Did you know there is punja saab in pakistan. Did you know that some guy tried throw a HUGE, A REALLY REALLY HUGE PIECE OF ROCK to kill some people and Guru Nanak Dev ji stopped it with one hand and the marks of his hands are still there on the rock and thats why its called "Punja Saab". Singho, stop keeping yourself in ignorance. Suleman is not a ghost tape. I showed that tape to one very old man in India, and he said it was authentic. brother, if you got some intentions that we will join you or become like you then you are wrong... Before you even think about writing your next post.. I suggest you read about Bhai Mani Singh here :http://www.searchsikhism.com/mani.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahegurubol Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 and read this http://www.searchsikhism.com/deep.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyhp32 Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Wahegurubol mate. There's no need to abuse someone, we have the light of Sikhi and the Gurus' example to fend off any ignorant attacks against Guru Nanak. Although it does say something about a country when the word used to describe it's citizens is a term of abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 "So Sikh has nothing to say on the matter of prostitution, hence the Islamic or Indian brahmanical law takes precedence, right?" Sort of, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji's jeevan muksad was not to enforce "another" set of laws on people, but lead them to Akaal Purkhs charan. Of course there is maryada applicable to the Khalsa as they are representatives of the King of Kings, and must therefore live by the highest ideals and morals. Sikhs abide by and respect the law in whichever country they live in, they respect peoples rights and freedoms and to live their life how they choose, and they try their best to protect their own religious freedoms. The Prophets laws are only applicable to Sikhs (fully or partially) if Sikhs choose to live in an Islamic state, otherwise they are irrelevant. The Guru opens his Sikh's heart and guides him through his humble ardaas. Your arguement is invalid and has been discussed in previous threads before with Javanmard Ji. Guru Nanak Dev Ji didn't marry with Islamic rites, his children were not subjected to Islamic rights and he wasn't buried visa Islamic rights. More importantly, the issue which has always consistently been ignored by Javanmard with regards to Javanmards thinking that Guru Nanak Ji was a Muslim and his 9 other forms not so... the 9 forms were JAGDI JYOT - they were one soul, one light - one wisdom... If the Prophets laws were so important all the Guru's would have followed them and they would have been propogated alongside the spiritual God uniting wisdom of Guru Sahiban. They were not - i.e. Guru Amardaas clearly states in Gurbani how his death should be treated - i.e. no mourning and no burial. That is one example. The Prophets laws are fine for those who follow him, and sure, other people may benefit from them also, but nowhere have our Guru's said Sikhs or any non-Muslims should follow them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singho Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 As for my paki friend (now i would call a pakistan, a paki only, what else). You were saying, about Guru Nanak and Baba Ishar Singh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyhp32 Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 You were saying, about Guru Nanak and Baba Ishar Singh? Shaheediyah has given you a thoughtful response to your argument yet instead of reflecting on it and making a comment you chose to take a cheap shot at what Wahegurubol wrote. I thought you were the one asking for a respectful debate? Muslims will always bring out the overtly and obsessively legalistic framework of their religion whenever they debate religious issues with non-Muslims. They will spew forth a countless number of hadiths, fatwas and the like which regulate each and every aspect of their lives. My personal view is that anyone who needs to seek religious authority to explain how to perform even mundane acts of their daily life such as what number of stones are best when wiping their backsides after defacating or that washing out their nose every morning is a good thing because apparently Satan had booked in for the night up there need their heads seriously examined! Freud would have had a field day with just one patient like that but the sad fact is that he would have over a billion people t choose from. This is the number of people who follow such ridiculous rules throughout their lives. An even sadder aspect of this is that rather than being embarrassed by what they do they actually use their mass compulsive obsessive disorder as 'proof' that their religion is superior to all others! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahegurubol Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Well said ! it couldnt have been said better than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singho Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Shaheediyah has given you a thoughtful response to your argument yet instead of reflecting on it and making a comment you chose to take a cheap shot at what Wahegurubol wrote. I thought you were the one asking for a respectful debate? There is no room for any intelligent debate with a construction worker who likes to call people 'Paki' and then in the same breath uses the name of Guru Nanak and Baba Ishar Singh. I am still waiting for him to explain himself for using this term of abuse, before I lay down what's what in terms of Shia- and Sikh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahegurubol Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 singho, if you felt bad me using the word "paki" then i wont use it again. I apologise. Here we call pakistanis as pakis and they dont mind, they know it means we are referring to pakistanis in a respectful way. i dont know why you are so much taken by the word paki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahegurubol Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 and pls shed some light on the breast feeding fatwa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyhp32 Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Mohammed asked his chld bride to breast feed one of his friends so that she could be alone with him as the act of breastfeeding makes Aisha his milk mother and this precludes marriage. Mohammed was very paranoid about his wives and once when Aisha was accidently left behind with some Muslim man he was very upset and came close to divorcing her on Ali's instigation. That's where the original Sunni -Shia split originates from as both Aisha and Ali hated each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singho Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 i dont know why you are so much taken by the word paki. This just reveals your profound ignorance and lack of grace. What do you think a lion such as yourself or tonyhp will be called if he goes to a poor working-class area of UK where there is BNP support? And who do you think you will run to? Me or the Gurbani guy on the radio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 i dont know why you are so much taken by the word paki. i can't speak for singho, but in the uk the word 'paki' is a derogatory word used mostly by racists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyhp32 Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Doesn't Pak mean Pure? So what's with the feining deep hurt from Singho all about? In India Paki is not a derogatory word so as long as Wahegurubol doesn't repeat it then learn from it and move on. Singho, I would run to the Gurbani guy because chances are he's pull his Kirpan out and cut the racists apart whereas you would be running around crying Islamophobia! Islamophobia- what a word. I know an Pakistani who tried to take time off work by ringing his employer up and saying that he was suffering from a bout of Islamophobia and the pakistani doctor had given him a sick note and advised plenty of bed rest and fluids!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singho Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Singho, I would run to the Gurbani guy because chances are he's pull his Kirpan out and cut the racists apart whereas you would be running around crying Islamophobia! One fact is true: you would be running because outnumbered. But the radio Gurbani which puts people like w-bol at ease is of no use to anyone. It is there to make money and that's all. I know this because I'm a grown-up with education and some life experience. And show me one case where a Sikh with kirpan has cut a racist? My point being: Santji Babaji so-and-so won't help anyone but themselves. The kind of guy who might cut a racist would be a Satpal Ram, a non-amritdhari. And he would do it with razor, not stainless steel kirpan with Gurbani inscribed in brass. This I know, from what I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyhp32 Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Wow you're a grown up and you have life experience! I don't know where you're from but I've seen plenty of fights when Singhs have used a sword against racists. Maybe you should get out more and you might broaden you life experience a bit more. So what's you view on the breastfeeding fatwa. Just goes to prove my point that most Muslims suffer from obsessive compulsive disorder. They need to given the most minute details of what is right and what is wrong. maybe if their religion taught a bit of self control they wouldn't have to wonder why they aren't allowed to be with a female on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singho Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Wow you're a grown up and you have life experience! I don't know where you're from but I've seen plenty of fights when Singhs have used a sword against racists. Internet legends... you waste your time sowing them. I don't believe a word of any of it. Using a sword on someone is a serious offense here. So it must have been in the news, etc. like Satpal Ram's case. Your examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahegurubol Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Singho, there was a case in India that I recall. A pervert guy like you, obsessed with temp. marriages who was working for a post office tried to rape two amritdhari female while they were sitting alone at the railway station. the females took their kirpan out and stabbed him. This was in the NEWS.. but a long time ago, i thinkyou can check tribune.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singho Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Singho, there was a case in India that I recall. A pervert guy like you, obsessed with temp. marriages who was working for a post office tried to rape two amritdhari female while they were sitting alone at the railway station. the females took their kirpan out and stabbed them. This was in the NEWS.. but a long time ago, i thinkyou can check tribune.com You're talking too tough, brickie. We're not talking about a backward country here where couples are frequently raped at night in the countryside by rapist pindus like you. We're talking about UK. This kind of think doesn't happen here. So go and find youself a subway and clear your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 "We're talking about UK", which is fast becoming an booming business in international child trafficking/prostitution/pornography, over 13,000 rapes (annually), horrific sexual exploitation of innocent women from all over the world. Not to mention the many UK customers who seek these services abroad. UK is not free of evil, no country is. The evil lies in mans depths, not in the country of residence or inherited/adopted religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singho Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Fair comment shaheediyan. There are problems with crime in the UK. But generally sword attacks or defenses are few and far between, and I have every confidence that the authorities here are making concerted efforts to stamp out child exploitation, sexual exploitation and other serious crimes. I do not believe the authorities in India are sincere in their alleged efforts. This is because of the prevailing mentality of backward people who do not respect the rights or dignity or honour of women, and who neither follow the Brahmanical laws or the immaculate way of the Prophet Mohammend (PBUH) who is without flaw. As for the ludicrous suggestion that Singhs in the UK are or have been involved in attacking racists with swords, this is yet another ridiculous and blatantly false claim, as anyone who lives here will realise. Anyone who threatens someone with a sword for whatever reason is looking at a long spell in prison, and having their name splashed on the pages of the news. Which leads one to wonder: if tonyhp who lives in the UK is telling the truth about Islam, then why does he need to make up so many lies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Guys, only reason i m leaving this topic unlocked is because is to give you chance so that you can stick to the topic. Please stick to the orginal topic, otherwise it will be locked because of off-topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyhp32 Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Singho, You're appearing to be more and more naive with each and every post you write on the forum. For someone who claims to be a grown up with an education and with some life experience you are doing your best to rubbish your own claims with the arguments you keep coming up with. Lets see, do all sword attacks get reported in the news. You have to be extremely naive to believe that. How many sword attacks have I seen or am aware of against racists? About 4 in the last 15 years. How many sword attacks I have seen or am aware of against Muslims? about 3 in the last 2 years. Were any of these reported? I don't think so. One was reported recently in the midlands when a Muslim hooligan was slashed with a sword during a mela after a Nagar Kirtan. That made the news but only local but that was because the attack occurred when there was hundreds of witnesses and the Police were on site. Added to this was the fact that the hooligan's father made a big song and dance about the attack. I don't know about you but whenever there is ruck both parties will fight it out and none of them will rush off to the Police after the fight just because they got they got attacked with a sword. Both sides keep weapons so unlike the people you might know, a fight is a fight and not something to get the Police involved in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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