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Bahadur Ali

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Bahadur, there are so many contradictions i could point out but hey lets have a few:

1) To a SIKH of Mahakaal in this Yug of Kali, Sahib Shri Guru Granth Sahib is his teacher his savior and his love.

2) By you calling Satguru Nanak a pir you are ripping him of his rightful title of SATGURU

3) Satguru Nanak belonged to NO faith, he was neither Hindu na Musalmaan, hence so so so many references of Mahakaal in bani by the names of popular Hindu Gods and Islamic themes.

4) If Satguru Nanak was a Muslim ALL the Gurus would be subjected to the fundamental Sharia of circumcision which is a covenant with Allah and the prayer of namaz, the Gurus would not have written Adh Granth but would have instead referenced to the Al Koran.

5) How could you give our Satgurus such a low auda, Satguru Nanak pooran avtar is lower than Imam Ali or Muhhamad? After you all you bowed to the very teachings of the house of Nanak, cleary showing submission yet now Gurbani in your mind is lower that the Koran

6) Satguru Granth Sahib is most definitely a Revelation just like the Al Koran, as it came from the heavens to which Mardana Ji would play the rabaab.

Bahadur, this is jis thaali mein khana usshi thaali mein sheik!

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In the al koran, the prophet is only given status of being the provider of the law and for that hes commended, but in Gurbani Satguru is given status of that near God, satguru is given status of he who is invincible of he who can carry us by his finger across the ocean to our lord our God.

bahadur if anything your conversion has ignited more love for the House of Nanak, and i insist my fellow brothers to now from this individual learn one lesson, ignite that love even more between you and you guru and be lucky that you have your Guru who is bhram avtar swaroop SatGuru Granth Sahib Ji

i know this sounds a little akj but its how i truly feel

Dhan Satguru Nanaka Dhan dhan tera Naam

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I am not insulting just stating the truth. You have no knowledge of how to analyze or discuss sacred texts and proof of it is that you didn't know Bhai Gurdas calls the Gurus pirs as well. You gave me the very proof for my point. So leave it. Neither you nor any other "Sikh" will change my reversion. Stop trying to think you can!

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erm i dont think so, your just too arrogant to admit that your a totally pathetic contradiction. we dont want you kind of cowards or traitors in sikhi, this is hukam of Akaal to keep shit out like you.

btw you have just as clearly proved that your a walking talking living contradiction by not answering my questions as to you Bhai Gurdas Ji comment, Bhai Gurdas Ji also calls him Pira da Pir which is what Ali is also reffered to and even higher than that SATGURU, many times has Bhai Gurdas Ji referred to guru sahib as Sat Guru

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Maybe because Ali and Nanak are the same person... - I totally disagree

But for i sec i will pretend.

Than why become a sullah when you are already sikh. And there founders are the same.

Or is it who came first?

Anyways i still have not received your answer on what was lacking in sikhi.

Don't get disheartened we are just trying to a solid reason for your conversion. Please keep the insults in your head, you can (raab maaf karye) release them on your future wife, she will welcome them whole heartily. ( I had to, no offense just a little islam humor, Allah maaf karye)

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1. I didn't revert to seek acceptance of a community but to please Allah (swt)

2. I haven't done it for someone of the opposite gender even though I am going to get married to my Iranian fiancée.

3. I have never insulted the Gurus nor shall I ever do Mehtab Singh. Just because I say how low many Panjabi Sikhs doesn't mean I insult the Gurus. Get this out of your head right now.

when i write "Asalamu Alaik Ya Hazrati Nanak Shah shams-e-darvishan

" it's to honour Guru Nanak. Stop your ignorant comments please.

The only part I agree to in that post is that I am ignorant.

I haven't done it for someone of the opposite gender even though I am going to get married to my Iranian fiancée.

Aren't you contradicting yourself here?

I have never insulted the Gurus nor shall I ever do Mehtab Singh.Maybe you didn't mean to, maybe you didn't do it directly, but calling Gurujee "less than" Hazrat Muhammad Sahib or Imam Ali is no less than insulting for any Sikh. "Sab te vadda SatGur Nanak"

when i write "Asalamu Alaik Ya Hazrati Nanak Shah shams-e-darvishan

" it's to honour Guru Nanak

You could honor Him as a Sikh as well. But alas...

If you had stuck with Dhann Dhann Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Maharaj, you wouldn't have to go anywhere.

You said Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaj was a Shia Sufi ?

Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Bhairao on Ang 1136

BYrau mhlw 5 ]

bhairo mehalaa 5 ||

Bhairao, Fifth Mehla:

vrq n rhau n mh rmdwnw ]

varath n reho n meh ramadhaanaa ||

I do not keep fasts, nor do I observe the month of Ramadaan.

iqsu syvI jo rKY indwnw ]1]

this saevee jo rakhai nidhaanaa ||1||

I serve only the One, who will protect me in the end. ||1||

eyku gusweI Alhu myrw ]

eaek gusaaee alahu maeraa ||

The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.

ihMdU qurk duhW nybyrw ]1] rhwau ]

hi(n)dhoo thurak dhuhaa(n) naebaeraa ||1|| rehaao ||

He adminsters justice to both Hindus and Muslims. ||1||Pause||

hj kwbY jwau n qIrQ pUjw ]

haj kaabai jaao n theerathh poojaa ||

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

eyko syvI Avru n dUjw ]2]

eaeko saevee avar n dhoojaa ||2||

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

pUjw krau n invwj gujwrau ]

poojaa karo n nivaaj gujaaro ||

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

eyk inrMkwr ly irdY nmskwrau ]3]

eaek nira(n)kaar lae ridhai namasakaaro ||3||

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

nw hm ihMdU n muslmwn ]

naa ham hi(n)dhoo n musalamaan ||

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

Alh rwm ky ipMfu prwn ]4]

aleh raam kae pi(n)dd paraan ||4||

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

khu kbIr iehu kIAw vKwnw ]

kahu kabeer eihu keeaa vakhaanaa ||

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

gur pIr imil Kuid Ksmu pCwnw ]5]3]

gur peer mil khudh khasam pashhaanaa ||5||3||

meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

Gurujee went to Mecca because He was a Muslim?

puCx Kol ikqwb nUM vfw ihMdU kI muslmwnoeI]

pushhan khol kithaab noo(n) vaddaa hi(n)dhoo kee musalamaanoee||

They asked Baba Nanak to open and search in his book whether Hindu is great or the Muslim.

bwbw AwKy hwzIAW SuB AmlW bwJo dovyN roeI]

baabaa aakhae haazeeaaa(n) shubh amalaa(n) baajho dhovae(n) roee||

Baba replied to the pilgrim hajis, that, without good deeds both will have to weep and wail.

ihMdU muslmwn doie drgih AMdr lYx n FoeI]

hi(n)dhoo musalamaan dhoe dharagehi a(n)dhar lain n dtoee||

Only by being a Hindu or a Muslim one can not get accepted in the court of the Lord.

jW bwbw su`qw rwq nUM v`l mihrwby pWie pswrI]

jaa(n) baabaa suthaa raath noo(n) vaal mehiraabae paa(n)e pasaaree||

When Baba (Nanak) slept in the night spreading his legs towards the alcove of mosque at Kaba,

jIvn mwrI lq dI kyVHw suqw ku&r ku&wrI]

jeevan maaree lath dhee kaerrhaa suthaa kur kuaaree||

the qazi named Jivan kicked him and asked who was this infidel enacting blasphemy.

lqW vl ^udwie dy ikauNkr pieAw hoie bjgwrI]

lathaa(n) val khhudhaae dhae kiou(n)akar paeiaa hoe bajagaaree||

Why this sinner is sleeping his legs spread towards God, Khuda.

tMgoN pkV GsIitAw iPirAw m`kw klw idKwrI]

tta(n)go(n) pakarr ghaseettiaa firiaa maakaa kalaa dhikhaaree||

Catching hold of the legs he lynched (Baba Nanak) and lo and behold the miracle, the whole of Mecca seemed to be revolving.

hoie hYrwn kryn juhwrI ]óò]

hoe hairaan karaen juhaaree ||aa||

All got surprised and they all bowed.

Gurujee was "below" the Rasool and Imam because He was a Shia Sufi?

Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Soohee on Ang 749

sUhI mhlw 5 ]

soohee mehalaa 5 ||

Soohee, Fifth Mehla:

ijs ky isr aUpir qUM suAwmI so duKu kYsw pwvY ]

jis kae sir oopar thoo(n) suaamee so dhukh kaisaa paavai ||

When You stand over our heads, O Lord and Master, how can we suffer in pain?

boil n jwxY mwieAw mid mwqw mrxw cIiq n AwvY ]1]

bol n jaanai maaeiaa madh maathaa maranaa cheeth n aavai ||1||

The mortal being does not know how to chant Your Name - he is intoxicated with the wine of Maya, and the thought of death does not even enter his mind. ||1||

myry rwm rwie qUM sMqw kw sMq qyry ]

maerae raam raae thoo(n) sa(n)thaa kaa sa(n)th thaerae ||

O my Sovereign Lord, You belong to the Saints, and the Saints belong to You.

qyry syvk kau Bau ikCu nwhI jmu nhI AwvY nyry ]1] rhwau ]

thaerae saevak ko bho kishh naahee jam nehee aavai naerae ||1|| rehaao ||

Your servant is not afraid of anything; the Messenger of Death cannot even approach him. ||1||Pause||

jo qyrY rMig rwqy suAwmI iqn@ kw jnm mrx duKu nwsw ]

jo thaerai ra(n)g raathae suaamee thinh kaa janam maran dhukh naasaa ||

Those who are attuned to Your Love, O my Lord and Master, are released from the pains of birth and death.

qyrI bKs n mytY koeI siqgur kw idlwsw ]2]

thaeree bakhas n maettai koee sathigur kaa dhilaasaa ||2||

No one can erase Your Blessings; the True Guru has given me this assurance. ||2||

nwmu iDAwiein suK Pl pwiein AwT phr AwrwDih ]

naam dhhiaaein sukh fal paaein aat(h) pehar aaraadhhehi ||

Those who meditate on the Naam, the Name of the Lord, obtain the fruits of peace. Twenty-four hours a day, they worship and adore You.

qyrI srix qyrY BrvwsY pMc dust lY swDih ]3]

thaeree saran thaerai bharavaasai pa(n)ch dhusatt lai saadhhehi ||3||

In Your Sanctuary, with Your Support, they subdue the five villains. ||3||

igAwnu iDAwnu ikCu krmu n jwxw swr n jwxw qyrI ]

giaan dhhiaan kishh karam n jaanaa saar n jaanaa thaeree ||

I know nothing about wisdom, meditation and good deeds; I know nothing about Your excellence.

sB qy vfw siqguru nwnku ijin kl rwKI myrI ]4]10]57]

sabh thae vaddaa sathigur naanak jin kal raakhee maeree ||4||10||57||

Guru Nanak is the greatest of all; He saved my honor in this Dark Age of Kali Yuga. ||4||10||57||

If only you had followed Gurbani...

If only you had loved ONLY Gurujee...

If only you had seeked acceptance from Gurujee and not so-called Sikhs...

But alas...

Anyways...Gurujee bless you! Trust me veeray I got nothing personal against you as I don't even know you properly. The only similarity we both have is that neither you nor me were born into Sikh families. Thats about it. But I can't accept any small word for my Guru. Is that too much to ask for? You found spiritual delight in Shia Islam, great! But thats no reason to speak out against what you've always believed in before you changed tracks (or did you ever?).

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Please keep the insults in your head, you can (raab maaf karye) release them on your future wife, she will welcome them whole heartily. ( I had to, no offense just a little islam humor, Allah maaf karye)
Veeray please lets keep penji out of this. We got nothing against her, and in fact not even against Bahadur veer. You are right we are only after his reasons, not him or penji. Gurujee bless them both.
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Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Bhairao on Ang 1142

BYrau mhlw 5 ]

bhairo mehalaa 5 ||

Bhairao, Fifth Mehla:

siqguru myrw bymuhqwju ]

sathigur maeraa baemuhathaaj ||

My True Guru is totally independent.

siqgur myry scw swju ]

sathigur maerae sachaa saaj ||

My True Guru is adorned with Truth.

siqguru myrw sBs kw dwqw ]

sathigur maeraa sabhas kaa dhaathaa ||

My True Guru is the Giver of all.

siqguru myrw purKu ibDwqw ]1]

sathigur maeraa purakh bidhhaathaa ||1||

My True Guru is the Primal Creator Lord, the Architect of Destiny. ||1||

gur jYsw nwhI ko dyv ]

gur jaisaa naahee ko dhaev ||

There is no deity equal to the Guru.

ijsu msqik Bwgu su lwgw syv ]1] rhwau ]

jis masathak bhaag s laagaa saev ||1|| rehaao ||

Whoever has good destiny inscribed on his forehead, applies himself to seva - selfless service. ||1||Pause||

siqguru myrw srb pRiqpwlY ]

sathigur maeraa sarab prathipaalai ||

My True Guru is the Sustainer and Cherisher of all.

siqguru myrw mwir jIvwlY ]

sathigur maeraa maar jeevaalai ||

My True Guru kills and revives.

siqgur myry kI vifAweI ] pRgtu BeI hY sBnI QweI ]2]

sathigur maerae kee vaddiaaee || pragatt bhee hai sabhanee thhaaee ||2||

The glorious greatness of my True Guru has become manifest everywhere. ||2||

siqguru myrw qwxu inqwxu ]

sathigur maeraa thaan nithaan ||

My True Guru is the power of the powerless.

siqguru myrw Gir dIbwxu ]

sathigur maeraa ghar dheebaan ||

My True Guru is my home and court.

siqgur kY hau sd bil jwieAw ]

sathigur kai ho sadh bal jaaeiaa ||

I am forever a sacrifice to the True Guru.

pRgtu mwrgu ijin kir idKlwieAw ]3]

pragatt maarag jin kar dhikhalaaeiaa ||3||

He has shown me the path. ||3||

ijin guru syivAw iqsu Bau n ibAwpY ]

jin gur saeviaa this bho n biaapai ||

One who serves the Guru is not afflicted with fear.

ijin guru syivAw iqsu duKu n sMqwpY ]

jin gur saeviaa this dhukh n sa(n)thaapai ||

One who serves the Guru does not suffer in pain.

nwnk soDy isMimRiq byd ]

naanak sodhhae si(n)mrith baedh ||

Nanak has studied the Simritees and the Vedas.

pwrbRhm gur nwhI Byd ]4]11]24]

paarabreham gur naahee bhaedh ||4||11||24||

There is no difference between the Supreme Lord God and the Guru. ||4||11||24||

Who would EVER need to go elsewhere?

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