Slander Of Dasam Granth On Spn

[Matheen]

PEPEAT:

Why is the writer so paranoid about WOMEN and SEXUAL Liasions and Goddesses ?

Think about this before comparing it to Gurbani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee.

I'd say it's you and others like you who are paranoid about women and too immature to understand the message. The stories present real world scenarios that we should beware of. Look around you, read a newspaper - prominent people are getting trapped by maya in exactly the same way Guru Ji mentioned years earlier, e.g the Italian PM, many sports stars etc.

It is a fact that men are mentally weaker than women, as proven by the use of sex to sell everything from cars to cologne. The 'adult' industry is worth billions and supported by men, not women. The stories in Charitropakhyan are there for vichaar by mature people to help identify and put a stop to any potentially damaging situation before it gets out of hand.

Where did Guru Ji write "Guru Maneo Granth"? I believe they did, but do any of you know where it is written?

[singh2]

PEPEAT:

Why is the writer so paranoid about WOMEN and SEXUAL Liasions and Goddesses ?

Think about this before comparing it to Gurbani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee.

I told you that teaching sof Dasam granth deal with aspects of temporal life.

So they have to touch all aspects of a sikh's life.

Teachings of sGGs deal with spiritual aspects mainly.

[singh2]

keh? Your reply simply does not make any sense even to a pea brain like mind.!

If you have done vichaar of Sri Guru granth Sahib jee (even a small amount) you will know that all the power to become a KHALSA (Gurmukh) is in Sri Guru Grath jee.

Its because of Gurmat in Sri Guru Granth sahib jee that a person becomes high in morality and high in spirituality.

Does Guru granth sahib say to sikhs to be amriotdhari? If so please let us know.

[singh2]

Your reply yet again does not make any sense. Pray tell me where does it instruct us to also believe in "Bachitar Natak Granth aka Samundar Sagar Granth aka Vidya Sagar Granth aka Dasam Granth aka Dasam Padshah ka Granth aka Sri Dasam Granth Sahib aka Dasam Sri Guru Granth Sahib"?

You need to to know that Samundar sagar granth and vidyasagar Granth are different. Show us where it is written they are same.

Here is what Dasam granth says on khalsa rehat

Tenth master on sikh rehat

Nishane sikhi ein panj kaaf

Hargiz na bashid ein panj muaf

Signs of sikhi are fives kakkas

None is permitted to ignore these

Kara Kardo kachh kangha bidan

Bila kes hech ast jumlah nishan

Know this that without kara,kirpan ,kacch,kangha

and Hair all other symbols are of no value

Haraf hai kaat ast ein panj kaaf

bi danand bavar na goyam khilaf

The five symbols i have described

Are very important

Hukka hazamat halalo haram

bachise hina kardaroo saihah faam

Hukkah ,shaving, halal and haram are not permissible in sikhism

To dye one's hair is like blackening one's face

asfotak kabit Dasam granth sahib

Instaed of changing the subject repeatedly focus on thread on hand. That is

Charitras 21, 22 and 23 that you quote frequently to attach with guru ji's life.

I have posted many details of that charitra tarshing your view. may i get reply for that.

[singh2]

A Sikh for life,

Guru Fateh.

Well said.

You are one of the few people who makes sense in this forum. The rest are holding Singh2's aka Inder Singh in other forums, chola and follow him blindly. Singh2 aka Inder Singh does not know anything about SGGS. He claimed that there was no REHAT mentioned in the SGGS and then when I gave him the Panna numbers he said he was talking about Khalsa Rehat, which is funny because SGGS tells us how to live like a Sikh. LOL. And, little does this 82 yr old man know that Khalsa concept was created by Guru Nanak. Khalsa means pure hearted and Gurbani in SGGS gives us the tools how to become that. Poor soul this Singh2 aka Inder Singh is.In other words Khalsa cake was baked by our nine Gurus and our 10th Guru put the icing on the top of this beautiful cake called the Khalsa Panth.

Singh2 aka Inder Singh loves the porno part of DG, the Charitropakhayan though. He flaunts it with great pride all the time. We call a person like that in the UK, the old lecher.

And that is not worse. He flaunts his Jatt caste with great pride like the Hindus do whereas our Gurus rejected caste system.He claims that his Jatt clan has been there since the time of our Gurus. One more Hindu concept that shows his mentality.

You are doing a great job. Do not get swayed by these parrots who are not allowed to think and do Gurbani Vichaar. They have not learnt that yet.

Regards

Tejwant Singh

Waheguruseeker

You name yourself waheguruseeker and yet say that waheguru is not Gurmantra of sikhs.

For persons like you Guru sahib has written

ਗੁਰ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਹੀਣਸ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਧ੍ਰਿਗੰਤ ਜਨਮ ਭ੍ਰਸਟਣਹ ॥

ਕੂਕਰਹ ਸੂਕਰਹ ਗਰਧਭਹ ਕਾਕਹ ਸਰਪਨਹ ਤੁਲਿ ਖਲਹ ॥੩੩॥:

Gur mantra heenasah jo praanee dhrigant janam bhrasatanah:

Kookarah sookarah garadhbhah kaakah sarapanah tuli khalah ||33||:

Those persons who lacks the Gurumantra are cursed contaminated is his life.

That blockhead is just a dog, a pig, a jackass, a crow, a snake ||33||

sggs 1357.

You do not know anything of SGGS ji also. all you know is Ninda and name calling .

[shaheediyan]

"Singh2 aka Inder Singh loves the porno part of DG, the Charitropakhayan though. He flaunts it with great pride all the time. We call a person like that in the UK, the old lecher."

Insulting a member and accusing him without proof and insulting Sri Dasam Granth Sahib. Why are posts like this allowed admin? Even if they don't agree with Sri Dasam Granth Sahib - in order to have a civilised debate - should they at the least not be expected to insult Dasam Bani?

"And that is not worse. He flaunts his Jatt caste with great pride like the Hindus do whereas our Gurus rejected caste system.He claims that his Jatt clan has been there since the time of our Gurus. One more Hindu concept that shows his mentality."

Why does this keep getting repeatedly mentioned, what does it have to do with the Sri Dasam Granth Sahib debate?

"You are doing a great job. Do not get swayed by these parrots who are not allowed to think and do Gurbani Vichaar. They have not learnt that yet."

Thats 2 animals SPN members have in their vocabulary - Monkeys and Parrots - both of which are supposedly represented by SA members, thanks for the compliments.

In actual fact it is you imbeciles that are monkeys and parrots - repeating the same pathetic childish perverted arguements of your absentee Guru Afghana - and then claiming you have your own mind and have no affiliation to him....

You insult your 10th Guru because you are ignorant and make zero effort to learn about that which you don't understand.

[singh2]

For moderators

I think it is proper if discussion regarding Charitropakhayan is held in relevant thread.

the tendency here seems to be run from one topic to another so that no useful purpose is

served.

I will also request you to start a new thread where wahegruseeker can have discussion on SGGS

and we will show how his views are anti Gurmat.

He calls karma. reincarnation, nam jap etc as Hindu concepts. let him not spoil Dasam granth threads.

[A_Sikh_For_Life]

From http://www.gurbani.org/articles/webart232.htm

ਬਿਬੇਕ ਬੁਧਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਪਾਈ ਗੁਰ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੇਰਾ ॥: Bibaek budhh satgur te paaee gur giaan guroo prabh keraa: From the Satguru, I have obtained a discriminating intellect; the Guru has revealed the spiritual wisdom of God (sggs 711).

I recommend you spent time doing Gurbani Vichaar first.

Recommended sites are http://www.gurbani.org and http://sikhismgurbani.com/

then apply this to what you read.

[singh2]

You insult your 10th Guru because you are ignorant and make zero effort to learn about that which you don't understand.

They have no shame in doing that. They are programmed to carry out propaganda thus reduce the respect for

dasam bani in sikhs minds. They know nothing about Dasam granth sahib.

All he writes is one liner for Dasam granth.

[singh2]

I recommend you spent time doing Gurbani Vichaar first.

Recommended sites are http://www.gurbani.org and http://sikhismgurbani.com/

then apply this to what you read.

How above is related to dasam granth sahib.

Good to note that you have bibek budhi. Why do not you apply that in understanding Dasam bani awhso.

Those who have bibek budhi do not name call any scripture.

Site you are quoting is having many many quotes of Dasam granth also.

[Guest]

Any specific discussion on charitopakyan should be posted under this thread:

http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?showtopic=11440

Any off-topics will be deleted without any notice..!

[singh2]

waheguruseeker writes in this thread

Singh2 aka Inder Singh loves, the Charitropakhayan though. He flaunts it with great pride all the time. We call a person like that in the UK, the old lecher.

It is well known tha whaeguruseeker is a resident of USA .How come he states that he is from UK.

Moderators need to look if one person is operating simulataneously under two different names.

[A_Sikh_For_Life]

You are obviously not following all the replies. Try refering to http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?s=...st&p=101226

[A_Sikh_For_Life]

I told you that teaching sof Dasam granth deal with aspects of temporal life.

So they have to touch all aspects of a sikh's life.

Teachings of sGGs deal with spiritual aspects mainly.

What happened during Guru Hargobind jees time for example. How do you think Sikhs knew of temporal matters. Think about this.

Why do you think Sri Guru Granth Shaib jee is not able to give us discriminating intellect on temporal issues?

What do think the word khalsa even means?

[A_Sikh_For_Life]

Pray tell me where does it instruct us to also believe in "Bachitar Natak Granth aka Samundar Sagar Granth aka Vidya Sagar Granth aka Dasam Granth aka Dasam Padshah ka Granth aka Sri Dasam Granth Sahib aka Dasam Sri Guru Granth Sahib"?

Inder Singh?

[singh2]

You are obviously not following all the replies. Try refering to http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?s=...st&p=101226

Certainly i am reading your replies. Only issue i did not touch upon was your mention of Haddith/hadees among muslims.

What is khande bate di pahul in sikhism? If you do not believe in Dasam granth, it is certainly a verbal command of

Guru sahib that we follow.

Your mention of Dasam granth as sexual stories is nothing but deliberate attempt to discredit Bani of Guru sahib.

you may remember there is a word for those who do not recognise their father.

How do you like bani of Dasam Garnth sahib given below. A noted historian wrote these lines are the best among

any religious scripture of the world.

ਖਗ ਖੰਡ ਬਿਹੰਡੰ ਖਲ ਦਲ ਖੰਡੰ ਅਤਿ ਰਣ ਮੰਡੰ ਬਰ ਬੰਡੰ ॥

खग खंड बिहंडं खल दल खंडं अति रण मंडं बर बंडं ॥

The sword chops well, chops the forces of scoundrels and this mighty one bedecks and glorifies the battlefield.

ਭੁਜ ਦੰਡ ਅਖੰਡੰ ਤੇਜ ਪ੍ਰਚੰਡੰ ਜੋਤਿ ਅਮੰਡੰ ਭਾਨ ਪ੍ਰਭੰ ॥

भुज दंड अखंडं तेज प्रचंडं जोति अमंडं भान प्रभं ॥

It is the unbreakable staff of the arm, it has the powerful luster and its light even bedims the radiance of the sum.

ਸੁਖ ਸੰਤਾ ਕਰਣੰ ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਦਰਣੰ ਕਿਲਬਿਖ ਹਰਣੰ ਅਸਿ ਸਰਣੰ ॥

सुख संता करणं दुरमति दरणं किलबिख हरणं असि सरणं ॥

It brings happiness to the saints, mashing the vicious ones, it is the destroyer of sins and I and under its refuge.

ਜੈ ਜੈ ਜਗ ਕਾਰਣ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਉਬਾਰਣ ਮਮ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਰਣ ਜੈ ਤੇਗੰ ॥੨॥

जै जै जग कारण स्रिसटि उबारण मम प्रतिपारण जै तेगं ॥२॥

Hail, hail to the cause of the world, saviour of the universe, it is my preserver, I hail its victory. 2.

Bachitra natak, dasam granth

Do not write two liners and then run away. Give us references from sikh history to prove your point.

[singh2]

What happened during Guru Hargobind jees time for example. How do you think Sikhs knew of temporal matters. Think about this.

Why do you think Sri Guru Granth Shaib jee is not able to give us discriminating intellect on temporal issues?

What do think the word khalsa even means?

Guru Hargbindsahib fought battles and won. But it was Guru gobind singh who carried that task forward

on a bigger scale. There is no difference between two guru sahibs.

This question of yours tell us that neither you have read dasam Granth nor you know anything about this.

All you know write are heresays from vested interests. You are repeating those heresays in one or two liners.

I have to open your closed eyes by quoting from Dasam granth sahib that you say are objectionable.That will bare your propaganda.

Tell us in what way it is anti gurmat.

ਜੋ ਚਉਬੀਸ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕਹਾਏ ॥

जो चउबीस अवतार कहाए ॥

Those who are called twenty-four incarnations;

ਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਤੁਮ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਨਿਕ ਨ ਪਾਏ ॥

तिन भी तुम प्रभ तनिक न पाए ॥

O Lord ! they even could not realise thee in a small measure;

ਸਭ ਹੀ ਜਗ ਭਰਮੇ ਭਵ ਰਾਯੰ ॥

सभ ही जग भरमे भव रायं ॥

They became kings of the world and got deluded;

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਨਾਮ ਬਿਅੰਤ ਕਹਾਯੰ ॥੭॥

ता ते नाम बिअंत कहायं ॥७॥

Therefore they were called by innumerable names.

Then

ਚੌਪਈ ॥

चौपई ॥

CHAUPAI

ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾਦਿਕ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਪਚਹਾਰੇ ॥

ब्रहमादिक सभ ही पचहारे ॥

Brahma and others have got tired in knowing Thy end;

ਬਿਸਨ ਮਹੇਸ੍ਵਰ ਕਉਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੇ ॥

बिसन महेस्वर कउन बिचारे ॥

Who are the helpless gods Vishnu and Shiva?

ਚੰਦ ਸੂਰ ਜਿਨਿ ਕਰੇ ਬਿਚਾਰਾ ॥

चंद सूर जिनि करे बिचारा ॥

The sun and moon also meditate on Thee;

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਜਨੀਯਤ ਹੈ ਕਰਤਾਰਾ ॥੧੪॥

ता ते जनीयत है करतारा ॥१४॥

Therefore Thou art known as the Creator.14.

Chaubis avtar, dasam granth

[ekta]

As stated by the admin in a previous post, discussion on Chritropakhyan must take place in the appropriate thread. A number of posts from both sides have been deleted. Next time, maybe warnings will be given.

Also, one liner nindya against Dasam Granth Sahib ji's bani will not be tolerated. You must back up your points with logic. You must also express your point in an appropriate civil manner. Even if you disagree with Chritropakhyan, Chaubis Avtar, Bachittar Natak, or whatever other composition, if you write against it, be aware of how you express your opinion.

WE allow freedom of opinion on this issue here, but the manner of expressing one's opinion is not up for debate.

[singh2]

There are certain banis in Dasam granth that are Yudh mai. Guru sahib took those banis from Puranas

and completely altered those texts to bring those in line with sikh philosophy. In other words Guru sahib

Changed dimensions of those deities and put those under the command of akal purakh.

Thus he lowered their status from absolute God as Hindus considered them and made them mortals.

He also added his own compositions to these compositions that were not there in original puranas.

Example is Yudh parbandh of krishna avtar that forms a major part of Krishna avtar. In that Krishna

is shown being defeated by kharag singh even though krishna takes support of moghals. Exactly that happened

when Hindu Rajas took help of Moghals in future.

Some vested interests whose job is to do porpaganda say that Guru ji is shown to worship devis etc. That is a complete lie.

When asked for to give refrence they have none. That is what A_sikh_ for_ life is doing.

Below is a verse from CHandi Charitra showing Chandi as a creation of akal purakh.

ਮੁਖ ਭਾਗ 4

मुख भाग 4

CHAPTER 4

ਚੰਡੀ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ (ੳਕਤਿ ਬਿਲਾਸ)

चंडी चरित्र (उकति बिलास)

NAME OF THE BANI.

ੴ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ ॥

ੴ वाहिगुरू जी की फतहि ॥

The Lord is one and the Victory is of the Lord.

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥

स्री भगउती जी सहाइ ॥

xxxx

ਅਥ ਚੰਡੀ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਉਕਤਿ ਬਿਲਾਸ ਲਿਖਯਤੇ ॥

अथ चंडी चरित्र उकति बिलास लिखयते ॥

Now begin the extraordinary feats from the Life of Chandi:

ਪਾਤਸਾਹੀ ੧੦

पातसाही १०

From the Holy Mouth of the Tenth King (Guru)

ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ

स्वैया

SWAYYA

ਆਦਿ ਅਪਾਰ ਅਲੇਖ ਅਨੰਤ ਅਕਾਲ ਅਭੇਖ ਅਲਖ ਅਨਾਸਾ ॥

आदि अपार अलेख अनंत अकाल अभेख अलख अनासा ॥

The Lord is Primal, Infinite, Account less, Boundless, Deathless, Garbless, Incomprehensible and Eternal.

ਕੈ ਸਿਵ ਸਕਤ ਦਏ ਸ੍ਰੁਤਿ ਚਾਰ ਰਜੋ ਤਮ ਸਤ ਤਿਹੂੰ ਪੁਰ ਬਾਸਾ ॥

कै सिव सकत दए स्रुति चार रजो तम सत तिहूं पुर बासा ॥

He created Shiva-Shakti, forur Vedas and three modes of maya and Pervades in three worlds.

ਦਿਉਸ ਨਿਸਾ ਸਸਿ ਸੂਰ ਕੈ ਦੀਪਕ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਰਚੀ ਪੰਚ ਤਤ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸਾ ॥

दिउस निसा ससि सूर कै दीपक स्रिसटि रची पंच तत प्रकासा ॥

He created day and night, the lamps of sun and moon and the whole world with five elements.

ਬੈਰ ਬਢਾਇ ਲਰਾਇ ਸੁਰਾਸੁਰ ਆਪਹਿ ਦੇਖਤ ਬੈਠ ਤਮਾਸਾ ॥੧॥

बैर बढाइ लराइ सुरासुर आपहि देखत बैठ तमासा ॥१॥

He extended enmity and fight between the gods and demons and Himself seated (on His Throne) scans it.1.

Chandi Charitra ukti bilas, Dasam Granth

[Vaheguruseekr]

Does Guru granth sahib say to sikhs to be amriotdhari? If so please let us know.

Singh2 aka Inder Singh ji,

Guru Fateh.

I have no idea what you mean by amriotdhari. There is no such word.

Your are confusing Khandei de Phaul with Amrit. SGGS says a lot about Amrit. In fact the word Amrit comes 31 times in SGGS. Read what Amrit is in SGGS and please share with us. So we can learn from you.

Thanks

Tejwant Singh

[singh2]

Singh2 aka Inder Singh ji,

Guru Fateh.

I have no idea what you mean by amriotdhari. There is no such word.

Your are confusing Khandei de Phaul with Amrit. SGGS says a lot about Amrit. In fact the word Amrit comes 31 times in SGGS. Read what Amrit is in SGGS and please share with us. So we can learn from you.

Thanks

Tejwant Singh

Let us agree for the time being what you say. Wherein it is written to take khande di pahul in SGGS ji?

[A_Sikh_For_Life]

Certainly i am reading your replies.

Let me repeat my post.

" Why are you so paranoid about this kala afghana? FYI I am NOT an affiliate of this person or any other cult. I can think for myself.

End of the day - It is stories and fiction. Only a small PART of all the works can be by Guru Gobind Singh Jee and these small section are INLINE with Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee GURMAT.

FYI Sikhs do not have haddiths nor do we want haddiths or sunnah as part of "being a Sikh". "

If you had read this you would have noticed the underlined sentence.

[A_Sikh_For_Life]

Guru Hargbindsahib fought battles and won. But it was Guru gobind singh who carried that task forward

at a bigger scale.

Your are basically implying that Sikhs during Guru Hargobind jees time were clueless about temporal matters.

[singh2]

Let me repeat my post.

" Why are you so paranoid about this kala afghana? FYI I am NOT an affiliate of this person or any other cult. I can think for myself.

End of the day - It is stories and fiction. Only a small PART of all the works can be by Guru Gobind Singh Jee and these small section are INLINE with Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee GURMAT.

FYI Sikhs do not have haddiths nor do we want haddiths or sunnah as part of "being a Sikh". "

If you had read this you would have noticed the underlined sentence.

Stories are told to impart lesson and SGGS has also fictional stories throughout. Do you reject some parts pf SGGS and follow others?

Have you seen the quotes above . In what way these are stories?

Stories do not form a major part as you say. Show us by giving refrences.

You have not replied to me regarding your theory of haddith? you are also to show us also various other refrences like showing khande bate di pahul in SGGS ji.

[singh2]

Your are basically implying that Sikhs during Guru Hargobind jees time were clueless about temporal matters.

I did not say that. I said that guru gobind singh ji was preparing sikhs for a major battle.

There is no difference between our Gurus. So stop pitting one guru sahib against the other.

In other words sikhism evolved and Guru sahib did what was right for sikhism by writing

Dsam granth sahib.

Why do not you talk about history of Dasam granth. There are manuscripts of Dasam granth sahib of 1696

and 1698 with signature of guru sahib and handwritten pages by him.

One is on the internet now. That trashes your theory that dasam granth may not be written by Guru sahib.

Still you call his writings as promoting sex. You should be ashamed of yourself.