Can Women Be In The Panj Pyare

[Sikhilove]

A lot of sexism still exists today. It’s BS. The quicker men and women realise this, the better. Societal norms are man made, we practice TRUTH not sexism and BS Brown culture. 

[Sikhilove]

15 hours ago, kidsama said:

No. Because, when 5 Singhs of utmost rehat and character come together they represent the Guru in his physical form. And all the gurus were male. 

What? Men and women are Equal. You may have been a woman in your previous janam just as I may have been a male. The gender doesn’t matter, it’s the soul. God is One, Humans are Equal. We are One. There is no difference between us.
 

Is that so difficult to understand. The Gurus/ God made Gurbani So Simple, and sexist men seek to complicate and twist it. 

[Sikhilove]

Just now, Sikhilove said:

What? Men and women are Equal. You may have been a woman in your previous janam just as I may have been a male. The gender doesn’t matter, it’s the soul. God is One, Humans are Equal. We are One. There is no difference between us.
 

Is that so difficult to understand. The Gurus/ God made Gurbani So Simple, and sexist men seek to complicate and twist it. 

God can and may readily make you a woman in your next janam. What then? You need to prepare for the after, not be attached to what you are Now. Your janam now is Temporary. So leave your male pride behind, it’s simply Ego.

[kidsama]

11 hours ago, Sikhilove said:

What? Men and women are Equal. You may have been a woman in your previous janam just as I may have been a male. The gender doesn’t matter, it’s the soul. God is One, Humans are Equal. We are One. There is no difference between us.
 

Is that so difficult to understand. The Gurus/ God made Gurbani So Simple, and sexist men seek to complicate and twist it. 

lol this is Exactly what I meant on that previous post, that your type of thought usually leads to delusion or weakness. Yes, men and women are equal spiritually, but we have different roles. Not very hard to understand. 

[Sikhilove]

On 10/18/2020 at 10:12 PM, kidsama said:

lol this is Exactly what I meant on that previous post, that your type of thought usually leads to delusion or weakness. Yes, men and women are equal spiritually, but we have different roles. Not very hard to understand. 

Are you serious? 

If Guru Gobind Singh Ji saw Mai Bhago, his bodyguard, as one of his fiercest and most loving warriors and servaks, then why would he want the current panj pyare to be men.
 

The fact that you find it so difficult to swallow is that no woman had offered to give their heads that day. If they had, the panj pyare back then would have consisted of Women. The roles you speak of are BS sexism. Open your mind and leave your brown backwards Punjabi thinking behind. We deal in Truth, not Manmade Culture.

[Sikhilove]

Mai Bhago wasn’t stuck in the kitchen, she was out there on horseback. Was that too progressive for you 

[Sikhilove]

Women all around the world are being beaten by sexist men who think women are less than men, And don’t deserve certain roles or priveledges...mainly in Muslim and brown countries. 
 

Dont be one of them. 

[Sikhilove]

On 10/18/2020 at 10:12 PM, kidsama said:

lol this is Exactly what I meant on that previous post, that your type of thought usually leads to delusion or weakness. Yes, men and women are equal spiritually, but we have different roles. Not very hard to understand. 

As I said... He will Happily make you a woman in your next janam, what then?

[kidsama]

Bibi ji. You are taking my message the wrong way, although I don't usually reply to get into arguments with someone who can't understand what I am trying to say, but your intentions seem to be good and for anyone else who maybe be reading and wondering about this topic I will explain simply. 

It's not about equality, or women are less than men etc. It's simply that the light of the Guru doesn't come forth when you have 4 singhs and one woman or whatever combination. Only when 5 amritdhari singhs of high rehat come together to administer the amirt does the light of the Guru come forth through them.  
 

Now as for your personal question;

4 minutes ago, Sikhilove said:

As I said... He will Happily make you a woman in your next janam, what then?

I am not taking another janam. 

[Sikhilove]

21 hours ago, kidsama said:

Bibi ji. You are taking my message the wrong way, although I don't usually reply to get into arguments with someone who can't understand what I am trying to say, but your intentions seem to be good and for anyone else who maybe be reading and wondering about this topic I will explain simply. 

It's not about equality, or women are less than men etc. It's simply that the light of the Guru doesn't come forth when you have 4 singhs and one woman or whatever combination. Only when 5 amritdhari singhs of high rehat come together to administer the amirt does the light of the Guru come forth through them.  
 

Now as for your personal question;

I am not taking another janam. 

Kidsama Bhaji. im not trying to argue with you. I simply spoke the pure Truth. Whether man or woman, it doesn’t matter. Humans are Equal. The Panj Pyare are Equal. Hence their gender doesn’t matter. 
 

As for your reply of not taking another janam. It’s easy to fall, and we cannot know the future, only He does. We can only pray that we stay on the straight and narrow path and never fall. God bless you. 

[SunnySingh]

On 10/19/2020 at 11:41 PM, kidsama said:

It's not about equality, or women are less than men etc.

It's simply that the light of the Guru doesn't come forth when you have 4 singhs and one woman or whatever combination. Only when 5 amritdhari singhs of high rehat come together to administer the amirt does the light of the Guru come forth through them.  
 

Not wanting to enter into any controversy whether women can be in the Panj Pyare or not,  all this discussion will go on for long time, as long as people are not fair or are sadly being influenced by those who have not realized that Divinity within. This is how the society moves, means in constant conflicts and confusion.

But from there to say, that if there is any combination of genders between them, thus not all men, then the light of the Guru will not come forth?

This is not correct at all, because, whether singhs or singhnis, it is diferentiated at the physical level, which is not real, in the sense that, our true essence is spiritual or soul being, and this is what has to be deeply pure in order for the light of Guru to shine forth, and not because of the body of a particular gender. 

The body which is inert and consciousless by itself, moves and acts as per the purity of the mind and the soul. The light of the Guru is already present in each jeev atma, but it is only felt and seen if purity is there.

For example, the eyes through which we see others is not the same if a sant or a paapee see some other´s spouse.

The seeing of a paapee will have a lustful look, while the seeing of a sant, will have a look of mercy asking Him to shower all with mercy.

So you see, the purity or high consciouss level is not of the body or genders, but, of the mind and soul.

Also when you do abhyaas or bhakti, it is the soul which arises within ito higher spiritual realms, not the body which stays still and unmoved.

So brother, let us not complicate things more than what they already are, let us give a deep careful thought to all that we say or express in rush, without trying to see the situation as a whole in a different and a logical perspective.

The purity lies in the mind and soul, not the physical.  The physical needs skills or training for physical activities just as sports or commiting actions to be carried out, but where spirituality is concerned to transmit the light of the Guru, only purity of mind and soul is needed, which is above any genders.

 

[JASDIR]

Panj pyare is male.

[Guest112]

I have thought a lot about this and always end up on what Guru Sahib said and did. One thing is very clear that he did not consider women lowly as he says "So kyu manda akhiyai jit jamme raajan". "Ek noor te sab jag upajeya kaun bhale kau mande"

Mata Sahib Kaur Ji - The mother of khalsa - played an important part in preparing Amrit. She was not stopped by Guru sahib. 

No women took amrit that day - all were men, true -  but citing that the panth doesn't stop Amrit Sanchar to women. Only takes away their right to be one of the panj pyare. 

Many verses in Guru Granth Sahib ji refer to all human kind as women and only waheguru as purakh. In Guru's mind the physical gender of the beings here on earth doesn't seem to make any difference, all are seen as women. So how can men consider themselves better.  

Sikh women deserve to be treated better for all the sacrifices they have made. This tradition feels like another form of casteism. To the point that women Kirtaniyas are not allowed to perform kirtan in Sri Harmandir Sahib citing "Maryada".. all the while they recite so kyu manda akhiye every day...

Women are not considered worthy of being receiver of first five parts of deg. Any man will do, he could be a drunk, a violent person but just being man he is better than all the women.

I don't accept it. This is all us.

 

 

[chatanga1]

On 5/1/2021 at 7:25 AM, Guest112 said:

Many verses in Guru Granth Sahib ji refer to all human kind as women and only waheguru as purakh. In Guru's mind the physical gender of the beings here on earth doesn't seem to make any difference, all are seen as women. So how can men consider themselves better.  

 

We don't. It's as simple as that. The Panj being male is not to insinuate any such thing that you are saying. If you still insist on your method of reasoning, others will ask why there are no females writings in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Then they can also claim that the Guru's only spoke of equality but didn't practice it.  Where does that leave you personally?

 

On 5/1/2021 at 7:25 AM, Guest112 said:

Women are not considered worthy of being receiver of first five parts of deg. Any man will do, he could be a drunk, a violent person but just being man he is better than all the women.

 

Deg is given to 5 Singhs, so one would expect them not to be drunks.

[GurjantGnostic]

Sorry in advance. Inside joke.

"I can't see how it hardly matters, I mean it's all just a Khel and we're all just oneness anyway. Anything else is illusion."