Garur Chrrai

[singh2]

What? There is no misinterpretation. Which arths are according to mool mantar? The ones we did or the ones you did? If the one you did, tell me what ajoonee and akaal moorat means. Do your arths fit according to ajoonee and akaal moorat? The answer is clearly no. That is all I got to say about that. Before declaring someone's arths wrong, please learn, understand and apply teachings of mool mantar. If you got issue with what mool mantar's philosophy is, too bad and so sad because no one is going to change mool mantar to mantar from vishnu puran or garur puran.

It is complete nonsense to compare charitars 21-23 to mool mantra.Only a deranged fool will say that.Both are different subjects.You need mental evaluation.

[singh2]

fauji

Instead of wiggling out by harping on otehr subjects, see the email from Vijaydeep and reply to that.

Gurfateh

(kindly upload the reply.bmp on the forum as i have wrriten Farsi words in MSpaint and thier translitration in English also, that file is attached)

As per letters in Farsi, we do not have letters for ਖ and ਣ so nearest to them letters in Farsi are used so in term Pakhantan we will have sounds like ਖ਼ and ਨ and not as written in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

ਨਾਮਾ ਸੁਲਤਾਨੇ ਬਾਧਿਲਾ ॥

नामा सुलताने बाधिला ॥

Nāmā sulṯāne bāḏẖilā.

The Sultan arrested Naam Dayv,

(Ang1165)

One more question, Does term Badhila also has some “Farsi” Connection ? Term Nama could be Namah or letter in Farsi, Sultan E means of Sultan. Some clues are given but what about Bhadh?

While we must understand that letter ਧ does not exists in Farsi as we find ਖ and ਣ not existing therein we need to understand that for letters in Farsi for Which there was no Gurmukhi corresponding letter then, there has been a use of nearest letter of Gurmukhi, Using those letters which do not exist in Farsi at all while in Gurmukhi we find exact letters to them corresponding with same found means that those are not at all the Farsi words.

Coming to off the topic things.

Usage of foul language, “so called Sikh” missionary do not play caste card, They only have one Guru Shri Guru Granth Sahib,

ਮਃ ੩ ॥

मः ३ ॥

Mėhlā 3.

Third Mehl:

ਇਕਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਇਕੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਇਕੋ ਸਬਦੁ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥

इका बाणी इकु गुरु इको सबदु वीचारि ॥

Ikā baṇī ik gur iko sabaḏ vīcẖār.

There is One Bani; there is One Guru; there is one Shabad to contemplate.

(Ang 646)

(੬੪੬-੨, ਵਾਰ-ਸੋਰਠਿ, ਮ ੩)

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਵਣਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਬਦੁ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥੧॥

guramukh anmrith peevanaa naanak sabadh veechaar ||1||

The Gurmukhs drink in the Ambrosial Nectar, O Nanak, contemplating the Word of the Shabad. ||1||

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2 Sorith Guru Amar Das

(Ang 646)

So “good terms” like Kanjer Kavita, Gand Da Tokra have they learnt from their only Guru, Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ? What about Harivansh Kumari of Faridabad, from where she learnt “good language” which she used against Bhai Manpreet Singh Ragi ? What about Mr Sarna, the main supporter of Ragi in India, And main employer of Gyani Tarsem Singh Ji, does not he uses Bhen Ch**, Ma Ch**? From whom they all learnt this “good language” ? If not from Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and from someone else then they defy the line quoted above from Ang 646, that means they have some other Guru also, they have a Shareeq of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji also.

When Lamba Sahib gives only appropriate clip, he is unjustified while when some Ghugga Panthi Gives some selective quotes from MK(why is not M(han) and K(os) written completely ?) then in both the examples it is justified, why double standard ?

Given is

ਗੁਰਸ਼ਬਦ ਰੂਪ ਗਾਰੁੜ ਚੱਟਿਆ. ਦੇਖੋ, ਲੀਠਾ. ''ਗਰੁੜੁ ਸਬਦੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਪਾਇਆ, ਹਉਮੈ ਬਿਖੁ ਹਰਿ ਮਾਰੀ.'' (ਮਲਾ ਮ ੩)

While full is

ਗਰੁੜ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਦੇਵਤਾ, ਐਸਾ ਸੱਪ ਦਾ ਵਿਹੁ ਦੂਰ ਕਰਨ ਦਾ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ।ਸੰ. गारुड़ ਗਾਰੁੜ. ਦੂਰ ਕਰਨ ੨ ਸੱਪ ਦਾ ਵਿਸ ਵਾਲੀ ਦਵਾਈ. "ਘਸਿ ਗਰੁੜੁ ਸਬਦ ਮੁਖਿ ਲੀਠਾ". (ਗਉ ਮਃ ੪) ਗੁਰਸ਼ਬਦ ਰੂਪ ਗਾਰੁੜ ਚੱਟਿਆ. ਦੇਖੋ, ਲੀਠਾ. "ਗਰੁੜੁ ਸਬਦੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਪਾਇਆ, ਹਉਮੈ ਬਿਖੁ ਹਰਿ ਮਾਰੀ". (ਮਲਾ ਮਃ ੩).

Story of Ghugga Panths flip-flops ,

Initially Teja Singh Bhasur had faith in 1429 Angs but later changed his belief with removal of Bhatt Bani and Bhagat Bani.

During his conversion into Sikhism from Arya Samaj, Ambala initially writes a book against Shivram Udasi’s “Gurmat darshan” the book “Gurmat Darpan” where term Bhagouti is referred to as power of eternal but latter during the time of emergency clamped in India, pro Russian left supporting the oppressors and SGPC and Sikhs opposing them being at forefront , a book is published where Bhagouti becimes demigoddess.

R S Jaggi, very good in U turning. All are aware no need to repeat.

Kala Afghana, first stays with Sant Ji and later terms him as Brahminwadi.

During the monthly edition April 95 and October 97 of spokesman Joginder Sahni Ji praise Shri Akal Takhat Sahib but later file a case in Indian court of law against the same and ultimately refuse its authenticity.

Ragi sung and used quotes from the Verses by Tenth Master in his books and so did Dilgir but at present preach against them.

Bhai Harmanjit Singh Mann Akali, use to negate Parts of Vachiatr Natak Sahib, with quotes from Akal Ustat Sahib, had in past faith in some parts of Bani of Tenth Master but at present says, “as no bani in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is there so no Bani of Tenth Master at all”.

Ghugga initially tried to explain Garur as comrades of Bhagat Namdev Ji, but later refused the all Bani but for of Baba Nanak, as told by welfare doer saber/blade leo, (name of him is translated from Sanskrit Farsi Sanskrit) in meeting during last week at Rakabganj Sahib, this person is a preacher of DSGMC.

Conclusion: Either these guys have Vichlit Pravity or tendency of instability due to fear or else some people blame them that they come near Sikhs while talking pro panth, just to win their confidence and later misguide Sikhs and show their true color.

Coming back to the main topic of Garur.

World is not homogenous but heterogeneous so we have different faith and different views within one faith. Dealing all with one view is more the work like that of Auranga.

This is the main reason that scripture of all mankind Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji(definitely not the religious book of Sikhs but it enjoys the status of living messiah of the mankind) has text from various sources and for various audience.

There spiritual level of Bhai Harmanjeet Singh,Bhai Kamroop Singh, Bhai Inder Singh, Bhai Barinderpal Singh, Gyani Balbeer Singh Ji among others are different.

So let us talk about term Pakhantanh. Term Paakh means wings or sides. With the joining or Sandhi of Ant or ends we get Paakh+ ant Paakhant or ends of wings. By adding anh post fix we make it plural as Ends of of wings or Pakhantan.

Baj is to do with flutter or bang and Bajeela is to play(music).

Here sound of wings is talked about. As per Hindu views, sound of wings of Garura is, “oh the master of mammon, I bow to thee!”.(He Laxmi Kantam Tubhyam Namami).

Then Garur, which is mark of speed, which ends the crawling laziness due to maya represented as serpant brings in formless lord to help.

Main symbols over here are to do with, when one minds surrenders to God in grave situation God helps.

Say if ever Bhai Harman Jeet Singh is stuck by anti Sikh forces, who want to destroy his faith, if he longs for help and surrenders self to God, God will help, but if he follows Ghugga, who says that First Master took Kutha(meat as per Islamic rites) at Mecca Sharif due to fear, then we must understand what could be the result

(off the topic thing, the wahabis who presently rules Saudi Arabia ,did not exist at the time of First Master, at that time liberal were there, who could have provided the visiting holy man one with God, with which ever kind of food that holy man would have preferred. In India they are called Brelvi Sunnis with main centre at Bareli, while Wahbis has base at Deoband, some of whom are fundamentalists with pro al Qaeda bent of mind )

While in Truth

(੧੧੬੬-੧੦, ਭੈਰਉ, ਭਗਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ)

ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਸਭ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ॥

naamadhaeo sabh rehiaa samaae ||

Naam Dayv became famous everywhere for this.

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10 Bhaira-o Saint Nam Dev

(੧੧੬੬-੧੨, ਭੈਰਉ, ਭਗਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ)

ਨਾਮੇ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ ਨਾਹੀ ਭੇਦੁ ॥੨੮॥੧॥੧੦॥

naamae naaraaein naahee bhaedh ||28||1||10||

There is no difference between Naam Dayv and the Lord. ||28||1||10||

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12 Bhaira-o Saint Nam Dev

(both are on Ang 1166)

When we say that Namdeo Sabh Rahiya Samai, it may also means that what was in Namdev Ji existing in all.

As there was no difference between mind of Bhagat Ji and the universal intellect of God. So in Sultan, In mother of Bhagat Ji, in Hindu and Muslim Characters, in cow, in calf ,in Garur there was only one Gobind, who did this miraculous act to prove that devotees could not be subdued by the might of rulers.

(੧੧੬੬-੯, ਭੈਰਉ, ਭਗਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ)

ਨਾਮਾ ਕਹੈ ਸੁਨਹੁ ਬਾਦਿਸਾਹ ॥

naamaa kehai sunahu baadhisaah ||

Naam Dayv said, \"\"Listen, O king:

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9 Bhaira-o Saint Nam Dev

(੧੧੬੬-੯, ਭੈਰਉ, ਭਗਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ)

ਇਹੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਪਤੀਆ ਮੁਝੈ ਦਿਖਾਇ ॥੨੩॥

eihu kishh patheeaa mujhai dhikhaae ||23||

have I done this miracle? ||23||

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9 Bhaira-o Saint Nam Dev

(੧੧੬੬-੯, ਭੈਰਉ, ਭਗਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ)

ਇਸ ਪਤੀਆ ਕਾ ਇਹੈ ਪਰਵਾਨੁ ॥

eis patheeaa kaa eihai paravaan ||

The purpose of this miracle is

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9 Bhaira-o Saint Nam Dev

(੧੧੬੬-੧੦, ਭੈਰਉ, ਭਗਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ)

ਸਾਚਿ ਸੀਲਿ ਚਾਲਹੁ ਸੁਲਿਤਾਨ ॥੨੪॥

saach seel chaalahu sulithaan ||24||

that you, O king, should walk on the path of truth and humility.\"\"||24||

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10 Bhaira-o Saint Nam Dev

(੧੧੬੬-੧੧, ਭੈਰਉ, ਭਗਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ)

ਜਉ ਅਬ ਕੀ ਬਾਰ ਨ ਜੀਵੈ ਗਾਇ ॥

jo ab kee baar n jeevai gaae ||

If the cow had not been revived,

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11 Bhaira-o Saint Nam Dev

(੧੧੬੬-੧੧, ਭੈਰਉ, ਭਗਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ)

ਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਕਾ ਪਤੀਆ ਜਾਇ ॥੨੬॥

th naamadhaev kaa patheeaa jaae ||26||

people would have lost faith in Naam Dayv. ||26||

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11 Bhaira-o Saint Nam Dev

(੧੧੬੬-੧੧, ਭੈਰਉ, ਭਗਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ)

ਨਾਮੇ ਕੀ ਕੀਰਤਿ ਰਹੀ ਸੰਸਾਰਿ ॥

naamae kee keerath rehee sansaar ||

The fame of Naam Dayv spread throughout the world.

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11 Bhaira-o Saint Nam Dev

(੧੧੬੬-੧੨, ਭੈਰਉ, ਭਗਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ)

ਭਗਤ ਜਨਾਂ ਲੇ ਉਧਰਿਆ ਪਾਰਿ ॥੨੭॥

bhagath janaan lae oudhhariaa paar ||27||

The humble devotees were saved and carried across with him. ||27||

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12 Bhaira-o Saint Nam Dev

(all on Ang 1161)

What does verse unto Guru say for that ?

(੪੦੩-੧੪, ਆਸਾ, ਮ ੫)

ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥

aasaa mehalaa 5 ||

Aasaa, Fifth Mehl:

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14 null null

(੪੦੩-੧੪, ਆਸਾ, ਮ ੫)

ਅਪੁਨੇ ਸੇਵਕ ਕੀ ਆਪੇ ਰਾਖੈ ਆਪੇ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ ॥

apunae saevak kee aapae raakhai aapae naam japaavai ||

He Himself preserves His servants; He causes them to chant His Name.

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14 Aasaa Guru Arjan Dev

(੪੦੩-੧੪, ਆਸਾ, ਮ ੫)

ਜਹ ਜਹ ਕਾਜ ਕਿਰਤਿ ਸੇਵਕ ਕੀ ਤਹਾ ਤਹਾ ਉਠਿ ਧਾਵੈ ॥੧॥

jeh jeh kaaj kirath saevak kee thehaa thehaa outh dhhaavai ||1||

Wherever the business and affairs of His servants are, there the Lord hurries to be. ||1||

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14 Aasaa Guru Arjan Dev

(੪੦੩-੧੫, ਆਸਾ, ਮ ੫)

ਸੇਵਕ ਕਉ ਨਿਕਟੀ ਹੋਇ ਦਿਖਾਵੈ ॥

saevak ko nikattee hoe dhikhaavai ||

The Lord appears near at hand to His servant.

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15 Aasaa Guru Arjan Dev

(੪੦੩-੧੫, ਆਸਾ, ਮ ੫)

ਜੋ ਜੋ ਕਹੈ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਪਹਿ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਤਤਕਾਲ ਹੋਇ ਆਵੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

jo jo kehai thaakur pehi saevak thathakaal hoe aavai ||1|| rehaao ||

Whatever the servant asks of his Lord and Master, immediately comes to pass. ||1||Pause||

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15 Aasaa Guru Arjan Dev

(੪੦੩-੧੬, ਆਸਾ, ਮ ੫)

ਤਿਸੁ ਸੇਵਕ ਕੈ ਹਉ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਜੋ ਅਪਨੇ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਭਾਵੈ ॥

this saevak kai ho balihaaree jo apanae prabh bhaavai ||

I am a sacrifice to that servant, who is pleasing to his God.

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16 Aasaa Guru Arjan Dev

(੪੦੩-੧੬, ਆਸਾ, ਮ ੫)

ਤਿਸ ਕੀ ਸੋਇ ਸੁਣੀ ਮਨੁ ਹਰਿਆ ਤਿਸੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਪਰਸਣਿ ਆਵੈ ॥੨॥੭॥੧੨੯॥

this kee soe sunee man hariaa this naanak parasan aavai ||2||7||129||

Hearing of his glory, the mind is rejuvenated; Nanak comes to touch his feet. ||2||7||129||

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16 Aasaa Guru Arjan Dev

(Ang 403)

God is there itself and it appears that God has come , when from zero/vacuum formless light may appear hastily as if riding a raptor. But even from Vacuum, God can create a raptor and later destroys the same all with in a second.

(੧੦੮-੧੨, ਮਾਝ, ਮ ੫)

ਖਿਨ ਮਹਿ ਥਾਪਿ ਉਥਾਪਨਹਾਰਾ ॥

khin mehi thhaap outhhaapanehaaraa ||

In an instant, He establishes and disestablishes.

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12 Maajh Guru Arjan Dev

(੧੦੮-੧੨, ਮਾਝ, ਮ ੫)

ਆਪਿ ਇਕੰਤੀ ਆਪਿ ਪਸਾਰਾ ॥

aap eikanthee aap pasaaraa ||

He Himself is the One, and He Himself is the Many.

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12 Maajh Guru Arjan Dev

(Ang 108)

That God is present wherever we think of that.

੪੯੯-੧੮, ਗੂਜਰੀ, ਮ ੫)

ਠਾਕੁਰ ਜਾ ਸਿਮਰਾ ਤੂੰ ਤਾਹੀ ॥

thaakur jaa simaraa thoon thaahee ||

O Lord Master, wherever I remember You, there I find You.

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18 Goojree Guru Arjan Dev

(Ang 499)

For rest of the Sikhs, we see that sacrifice is being told at one level where it is to be done for own faith.

(੧੪੧੨-੨, ਸਲੋਕ ਵਾਰਾਂ ਤੇ ਵਧੀਕ, ਮ ੧)

ਜਉ ਤਉ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਖੇਲਣ ਕਾ ਚਾਉ ॥

jo tho praem khaelan kaa chaao ||

If you desire to play this game of love with Me,

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2 Salok Vaaraan and Vadheek Guru Nanak Dev

(੧੪੧੨-੨, ਸਲੋਕ ਵਾਰਾਂ ਤੇ ਵਧੀਕ, ਮ ੧)

ਸਿਰੁ ਧਰਿ ਤਲੀ ਗਲੀ ਮੇਰੀ ਆਉ ॥

sir dhhar thalee galee maeree aao ||

then step onto My Path with your head in hand.

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2 Salok Vaaraan and Vadheek Guru Nanak Dev

(੧੪੧੨-੩, ਸਲੋਕ ਵਾਰਾਂ ਤੇ ਵਧੀਕ, ਮ ੧)

ਇਤੁ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਪੈਰੁ ਧਰੀਜੈ ॥

eith maarag pair dhhareejai ||

When you place your feet on this Path,

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3 Salok Vaaraan and Vadheek Guru Nanak Dev

(੧੪੧੨-੩, ਸਲੋਕ ਵਾਰਾਂ ਤੇ ਵਧੀਕ, ਮ ੧)

ਸਿਰੁ ਦੀਜੈ ਕਾਣਿ ਨ ਕੀਜੈ ॥੨੦॥

sir dheejai kaan n keejai ||20||

give Me your head, and do not pay any attention to public opinion. ||20||

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3 Salok Vaaraan and Vadheek Guru Nanak Dev

(Ang 1412)

Then we move further to the level of sacrificing for the faith of others.

ਹਰੀਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਸੁਤ ਵਏ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਤੇ ਤੇਗ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਭਏ ॥੧੨॥

Harookrisan tin ke sut vae|| Tin te Teg Bahaadar bhae||12||

Har Krishan (the next Guru) was his son; after him, Tegh Bahadur became the Guru.12.

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ਤਿਲਕ ਜੰਵੂ ਰਾਖਾ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਾ ਕਾ ॥ ਕੀਨੋ ਬਡੋ ਕਲੂ ਮਹਿ ਸਾਕਾ ॥

Tilak janjhoo raakhaa Prabh taa kaa|| Koono ba?o kaloo maih saakaa||

He protected the forehead mark and sacred thread (of the Hindus) which marked a great event in the Iron age.

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ਸਾਧਨ ਹੇਤਿ ਇਤੀ ਜਿਨਿ ਕਰੀ ॥ ਸੀਸੁ ਦੀਆ ਪਰ ਸੀ ਨ ਉਚਰੀ ॥੧੩॥

Saadhan het(i) itoo jin(i) karoo|| Soos(u) dooaa par soo na ucharoo||13||

For the sake of saints, he laid down his head without even a sign.13.

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ਧਰਮ ਹੇਤਿ ਸਾਕਾ ਜਿਨਿ ਕੀਆ ॥ ਸੀਸੁ ਦੀਆ ਪਰ ਸਿਰਰੁ ਨ ਦੀਆ ॥

Dharam het(i) saakaa jin kooaa|| Soos(u) dooaa par sirar(u) na dooaa||

For the sake of Dharma, he sacrificed himself. He laid down his head but not his creed.

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ਨਾਟਕ ਚੇਟਕ ਕੀਏ ਕੁਕਾਜਾ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਲੋਗਨ ਕਹ ਆਵਤ ਲਾਜਾ ॥੧੪॥

Naatak chetak kooe kukaajaa|| Prabh logan kah aavat laajaa||14||

The saints of the Lord abhor the performance of miracles and malpractices. 14.

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ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥

Dohraa||

DOHRA

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ਠੀਕਰਿ ਫੋਰਿ ਦਿਲੀਸਿ ਸਿਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀਯਾ ਪਯਾਨ ॥

thookar(i) phor(i) Diloos(i) sir(i) Prabh pur kooyaa payaan||

Breaking the potsherd of his body head of the king of Delhi (Aurangzeb), He left for the abode of the Lord.

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ਤੇਗ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਸੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਆ ਕਰੀ ਨ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਆਨ ॥੧੫॥

Teg Bahaadur soo kriaa karoo na koon-hoon aan||15||

None could perform such a feat as that of Tegh Bahadur.15.

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ਤੇਗ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਕੇ ਚਲਤ ਭਯੋ ਜਗਤ ਕੋ ਸੋਕ ॥

Teg Bahaadur ke chalet bhayo jagat ko sok||

The whole world bemoaned the departure of Tegh Bahadur.

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ਹੈ ਹੈ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਜਗ ਭਯੋ ਜੈ ਜੈ ਜੈ ਸੁਰ ਲੋਕ ॥੧੬॥

Hai hai hai sabh jag bhayo jai jai jai sur lok||16||

Whit the world Iamented, the gods hailed his arrival in heavens.16.

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ਇਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੇ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਬਰਨਨੰ ਨਾਮ ਪੰਚਮੋ ਧਿਆਇ ਸਮਾਪਤ ਮਸਤੁ ਸੁਭ ਮਸਤੁ ॥੫॥ਅਫਜੂ॥੨੧੫॥

It(i) Sri Bachitra Naatak granthe patshaahoo barnanang naam panchamo dhiaae samaapat mast(u) subh mast(u)||5||Afjoo||215||

End of the Fifth Chapter of BACHTTAR NATAK entitled ‘The Description of the Spiritual Kings (Preceptors).5.

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Then from faith sacrifice for nation is told about in Charitropakhyan 165.

But before we start the brief of this story, let us see the initial part of the the story of “Chitrawali” which is a work of Sufi Usman, it is story he wrote to preach Islam to Hindus. As in Love was supreme so they are called Prem Margi.

King of Nepal was childless, he worshipped Shiv Ji, when Shiv ji with Parwati Ji came to him as hermit, he was ready to cut his head for him. Shiv Ji give him blessing for a son, which will be Ansh(part) of Shiv. A son was born. He was named Sujan. He was expert in all arts and knowledge by the time he turned 14 years old.

Here Shiv is a symbol of Allah(SWT) and Sujan is human spirit. Further more in this story a good lot of miracle, love and supernatural creatures are talked about. But main motive is to explain Sufi Islam in here and till date no Sufi has objected it as handiwork of Hindu to convert Muslims in Hinduism not has this ever lead to any Muslim becoming Hindu rather other way round things have happened. Sufis were most potent preacher of Islam to Hindus and Muslim majority areas in Indian Sub content could be attributed to them. (off the topic: The first Sufi(who stay away from wine as part of their code of conduct) was Zanunan(796-829 AD) in Arabia, he used term wine and cup of wine for the thirst of love of Sufi ways followers. This thing be noted, for those who find misunderstanding in cup and color of cups in Hiqayats, Where Guru himself actually uses terms and symbols of Sufis).

So returning back to the story of Charitropakhyan, where main motive is to teach sacrifice for nation, both by king and the subjects. This also made native Indians aware the reason for minority of upper caste priest and king class enslaving them for ages as they had sense of sacrifice. While ruled class, just for some small temporary personal favor had tendency to sell the interest of community and side with oppressors. Present Day Sikhs working like wood of axe used cutting tree(composed of wood), need to take lesson.

So just ad hoc translation by Mr Bindra is pasted while there could be still deeper meaning for them. It is OK for learning goods things, even it has to be learnt from the oppressors, who have enslaved us for ages.

Chritar One Hundred and Sixty-five

Tale of Bhistkala

Dohira

There was one temple of Hinglaj,

Where people from far and wide used to come.(1)

Chaupaee

Bachiter Singh was the Raja of that place, who had abundance of wealth.

There was a woman in the name of Bhan Kala, who was as prominent

as his wife (Rani).(2)

There was one, Dijabar Singh Brahmin priest whose wife’s name was Bhistkala.

She had seven handsome sons; they all were very intelligent.

Dohira

There used to be a temple of Bhawani,

Where people regularly came to pay their homage from far of places.(4)

Dohira

It was situated at a high altitude and had flags fluttering.

Its charm was so radiating that even the Moon felt shy.

The Rajas from far off lands used to come,

And, revering it as the goddess Bhawani, they paid their obeisance.(5)

Dohira

Whatever one willed would be fulfilled,

And the whole world had realised this.(6)

Chaupaee

One day, when the Sun and the Moon had risen, it happened.

(346)

The celestial word came and the priest heard it himself.(7)

‘In the morning the Raja will expire and, even, thousands of efforts

will not save him.

‘The one who brings one’s seven sons and comes here and kills them,

the that one could save the Raja.’(8)

Brahmin priest came home and told his wife.

She took all her seven sons and sacrificed them.(9)

When the father sawall the seven sons dead, he took a sword and cut

his own throat.

When he was killing himself, the wife stood there watching.(l0)

She took the sword, as well, and did not care about her life.

Thinking that Raja must be saved, she killed herself too.(11)

She killed her seven sons, saw husband sacrificing himself and then

terminated her own life.

When Raja learnt about this act, he came and picked up same sword

in his hands.(12)

‘Seven sons, she sacrificed for my sake, saw her husband being killed

by himself,

‘And then for my sake finished herself, cursed with my reign.’

He took the same sword and deliberated to kill himself.

Then the goddess Bhawani became benevolent and said,(14)

Arril

‘You take them and don’t take your life.

‘You go and live long to reign.’

Then goddess Durga made them all to come alive’

And accepted the Raja’s sacrificial will.(15)

Chaupaee

The woman had proceeded thus, sacrificed her husband’s life,

Killed herself to save the life of the Raja.(16)

Dohira

Perceiving the sacrificial desire of all, the goddess was pleased,

And, along with the seven sons, she made all of them alive again.(17)

Through such an Chritar, the woman did what no one else could do.

In all the heavens they earned accolades.(18)

Chaupaee

The dead seven son were made to come alive again, and, then, regained

(347)

life for herself and her husband,

Raja attained the long life, such an Chritar was unique.(l9)(1)

165th Parable of Auspicious Chritars

Conversation of the Raja and the Minister,

Completed With Benediction. (165)(3272)

To be continued.

(the way Brahmin was ready to sacrifice the family for king so should Sikhs be ready to die for Sikh Nation, Sikhs leaders should be ready to make sacrifice for the Sikh nation as king did here, Is Badal Listening ?)

When das tries to answer his position is like

ਪੰਨਾ 7, ਸਤਰ 8

ਸੁਣਿ ਗਲਾ ਆਕਾਸ ਕੀ ਕੀਟਾ ਆਈ ਰੀਸ ॥

सुणि गला आकास की कीटा आई रीस ॥

Suṇ galā ākās kī kītā ā▫ī rīs.

Hearing of the etheric realms, even worms long to come back home.

ਮਃ 1 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

But truth could only come when

ਏਵਡੁ ਊਚਾ ਹੋਵੈ ਕੋਇ ॥

एवडु ऊचा होवै कोइ ॥

Ėvad ūcẖā hovai ko▫e.

Only one as Great and as High as God

ਤਿਸੁ ਊਚੇ ਕਉ ਜਾਣੈ ਸੋਇ ॥

तिसु ऊचे कउ जाणै सोइ ॥

Ŧis ūcẖe ka▫o jāṇai so▫e.

can know His Lofty and Exalted State.

(Ang 5)

But we could understand that some part of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji are meant for non Sikhs or non belivers or people weak in Sikhism, just to gain faith in God, as we see in Ang 1165,1166 while as we proceed further to attain Khalsahood, deeper meanings are understood by us.

Well when did das said that story is act in the life of Tenth Master ? Just imagination of Ghugga Panthi. Fact is that for das Magan,Nup Kuari,Chajia, King, Lord all is Guru like Bhai Ghannayia Saw Guru in enemies too. This thing das said in 2006 December and still does not changes. Guru for das is God who lives in all.

Darshanu mixed two stories and made new one, so he was confronted and instead of answering his goons attacked, this is the issue.

For Farsi better to visit the link below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language

Term Khitte Mikh were used in last pos(so why the info provided by das is repeated to him). Das is aware about the difference between Arebic and Farsi.

Here below what is written by das in last post is again pasted

Here question was new interpretation that also by giving some words which were claimed to be were from Farsi(actual term is Parsi but as there is no “p” letter in Arabic so they used “f” instead to call this language as Farsi, term Pe, Zhe, Che and Gaf are not in Arabic but are in Farsi/Parsi, which came after the era of Yaqub Bin Layeeth, when instead of Khit E Mikh(letters of nails) were replaced by present script of Arabic letter base)

So what did das said before ? Where is a lie and why lies are inflicted to prove non lier person as lier by a lier ?

But which Gurmukhi to Farsi dictionary is used and who made it ? Jeonawala ? Ghugga ? Just post the name of the dictionary and publishers if scanning could not be done.

Why conditions are placed ?Why this lack of confidence ? there is differcne between feet and below, well when ghugaa was put upside down by Singhs of AISSF, his feet were up and head below. Only Pe and Alif and different from Pe Alif Ye Noon. Missionaries

There was no talk of arms of deities but demigod worshipper is better then atheist, leftist communists , So term “we” over here could be one who shows neutrality to the existence of God and no devotion. Making wrong interpretation is same as showing disrespect. Further more proofs are not forwarded by lame excuses of conditions or perhaps due to the fear of being exposed.

Show the proof of translation, If word in Gurmukhi translation is not found in Farsi then dictionary could be wrong. If you claim that Guru Granth sahib Ji are complete Guru, then why another Guru called Gurumukhi to Farsi dictionary is used by you ? Missionaris have already done blunder with changing spelling of Shri Guru Granth Sahib, by the way which Gurbani are you taling about, Does this same Guru Granth Sahib Ji with 1430 Angs ? or some new version as precived by Ghugga and joginder Sahahni?

Tommorow with improper meaning if you say days of Shri Guru Granth Sahib’s with 1430 Angs…(for a true Sikh completing this statement is painful). Go ahead with your task.

1. It is lie, das always said that as Ninth Master used self own example, just to let other understand, same is done by Tenth Master.

ਸੋਰਠਿ ਮਹਲਾ ੯ ॥

सोरठि महला ९ ॥

Soraṯẖ mėhlā 9.

Sorat'h, Ninth Mehl:

ਮਾਈ ਮਨੁ ਮੇਰੋ ਬਸਿ ਨਾਹਿ ॥

माई मनु मेरो बसि नाहि ॥

Mā▫ī man mero bas nāhi.

O mother, my mind is out of control.

ਨਿਸ ਬਾਸੁਰ ਬਿਖਿਅਨ ਕਉ ਧਾਵਤ ਕਿਹਿ ਬਿਧਿ ਰੋਕਉ ਤਾਹਿ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

निस बासुर बिखिअन कउ धावत किहि बिधि रोकउ ताहि ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Nis bāsur bikẖi▫an ka▫o ḏẖāvaṯ kihi biḏẖ roka▫o ṯāhi. ||1|| rahā▫o.

Night and day, it runs after sin and corruption. How can I restrain it? ||1||Pause||

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਕੇ ਮਤ ਸੁਨਿ ਨਿਮਖ ਨ ਹੀਏ ਬਸਾਵੈ ॥

बेद पुरान सिम्रिति के मत सुनि निमख न हीए बसावै ॥

Beḏ purān simriṯ ke maṯ sun nimakẖ na hī▫e basāvai.

He listens to the teachings of the Vedas, the Puraanas and the Simritees, but he does not enshrine them in his heart, even for an instant.

ਪਰ ਧਨ ਪਰ ਦਾਰਾ ਸਿਉ ਰਚਿਓ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਰਾਵੈ ॥੧॥

पर धन पर दारा सिउ रचिओ बिरथा जनमु सिरावै ॥१॥

Par ḏẖan par ḏārā si▫o racẖi▫o birthā janam sirāvai. ||1||

Engrossed in the wealth and women of others, his life passes away uselessly. ||1||

(Ang 632)

So should we say that actually the mind of Ninth Master was with women of others ? if not then how could he feel ? As mind of humans within had mind of Ninth Master, all mind belonged to him. This is Sikhi.

2. Shyam is name of God, another name are Ram and Kal.

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ਆਪੇ ਪਟੀ ਕਲਮ ਆਪਿ ਆਪਿ ਲਿਖਣਹਾਰਾ ਹੋਆ ॥

आपे पटी कलम आपि आपि लिखणहारा होआ ॥

Āpe patī kalam āp āp likẖaṇhārā ho▫ā.

He Himself is the paper, He Himself is the pen, and He Himself is the writer.

Balwand & Sata - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

3. We are not Ghugga Panthis and shameless who declare that they have faith in das capital of comrade. Go and Ask Guru that why have they wrote in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਮਹਿ ਦੇਖੁ ॥

बेद पुरान सिम्रिति महि देखु ॥

Beḏ purān simriṯ mėh ḏekẖ.

See Him in the Vedas, the Puraanas and the Simritees.

(Ang 294)

We have no right to follow Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji even. (unlike in Pagans who see demigods in old texts we as Sikh see God and only God in there too)

Coming to the terms of Ajooni. Here term Joon is womb in singular. God is never concentrated in one womb as Christians,Hindus and Mahayan Budhist conceptualized. As God is in all so not in single womb but in all womb. It is not negative but a positive thing.

God who composes all forms, in the form of energy is never destroyed in time, it changes from one form into another. A means no, kal here is time or could be death also. So light which forms a part of visible energy is not destroyed in any time. Garuda, Gobind all are precived with light energy by sensors of eyes vide visible spectrum. That light does not get destroyed. Energy composing the form of Garuda or Gobind or Bhagat namdev Ji or Sultan is one and is never destroyed either. Mass is also a form of energy only. Formula is e=mc*c where e is energy, m is mass and c is planks constant equal to speed of time.

It is not understanding the mool Mantra even by ghugga Panthis has been proven then what all could be imagine for rest of the Gurbani ?

[The Khalsa Fauj]

When I was talking about mool mantar philosophy, I was talking about arths you guys do. Other than that, I don't have time for vijaydeep's unlrelated and offtopic quotes. If he wants to see scans, ask if he accepts condition to become anti-DG? If he doesn't want to accept that, then he can bring live talk in TO and we will show him there. Once again, condition during debate will be same, if he loses, he has to turn anti-DG totally along with his jundlee. We don't want lamba situation where he can't answer questions during live talk and then runs to do propaganda on internet. Other that that, vijay can keep on ragging about whatever he wants. He has already been proven wrong about farsi script.

Other than that, I don't have time for your copy paste talk. Bring live talk. If you want, we can do live using a messenger after designating a time. However, condition will be same, if you can't answer some questions based on Gurmat or history, you will have to turn anti-DG. If you don't accept this then you know you lost.

We only give you dictionary reference to teach you so you can take the karamkaandi goggles off and see Gurmat clearly.

I don't understand what you are saying in the end. Devi, vishnu and mahakal bhagats are lost in their own web. Gurbani says:

Satgur Meraa Sdaa Sdaa

Na Aavay Na Jaaye

Oh Abenaasi Purakh Hai

Sabh Mahe Raheaa Smaaye

God never comes or goes. Vishnu coming on garur isn't Gurmat. Also, no such thing or being came or comes to save anyone. Did a vishnu come when Guru Arjan Ji was placed on hot plate? Did a Vishnu come when Sahibzadas were being bricked alive? The answer is no. Therefore, mool mantar siddant stands corrected and your arths are based on manmat. Only arths acceptable are the ones that are according to Gurmat. That is all I will say about that.

As said before, Farsi can be written in any script. It has also changed over time. If you don't want to understand that, too bad and so sad. Arabic doesn't have as many words as Punjabi.

You have been crying about khantann for 2 days. You yourself admitted that Khatnah is the word for circumcision. Khantan is derived from that. You would have known these things if you had studied Gurbani or studied languages.

[singh2]

A complete nonsense and shameless rhetoric by fauji that has no relevance to topic.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

A complete nonsense and shameless rhetoric by fauji that has no relevance to topic.

Liar once again.

Here yo!

Ghagga is speaking about Gurbani and tenth paatshah. Those who said he opposess bhagat bani and doesn't accept the 9 saroops after Guru Nanak Ji are nothing but lies. Vijaydeep talks about Gurmat and Gurbani but doesn't hesitate to lie.

http://www.singhsabhacanada.com/Audio/111

That audio is recent. You people get proven as liars all the time but mahah deeth and paapi birtee won't let you reach truth.

[singh2]

Liar once again.

Here yo!

Ghagga is speaking about Gurbani and tenth paatshah. Those who said he opposess bhagat bani and doesn't accept the 9 saroops after Guru Nanak Ji are nothing but lies. Vijaydeep talks about Gurmat and Gurbani but doesn't hesitate to lie.

http://www.singhsabhacanada.com/Audio/111

That audio is recent. You people get proven as liars all the time but mahah deeth and paapi birtee won't let you reach truth.

Without more bukwas rebut logic of Vijaydeep singh ji. You cann't as you yourself do not know what you are writing here.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

There is no logic from vijaydeep to rebut. He got proven wrong again. He should learn some Gurbani and read the farsi words in Gurbani. He will get answers to his questions. I don't have time to waste on him. You are a science teacher and someone keeps asking u how does water mix with milk and you show it to him by mixing it but he still says you are wrong. What can you do? Nothing can be done about naa maanoo, mai naa maanoo.

I already told you, Vishnu bhagats, devi bhagats, mahakal chelas have no answers based on Gurmat. They have to rely on stories from purans to promote DG.

[Del Piero]

I dont know why it bugs you so much that people have faith in Dasam Granth. Your long posts are not going to change anyones views, and the long posts that are written in reply to you are not going to change yours, so i see this whole "debate" as a waste of time.

[shaheediyan]

Ik Punjabi kahaavath:

Ik mut-hee chakki, duji mut-hee tyaar...lol.