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On 11/17/2020 at 3:45 PM, Guest Guest said:

1) During sleep as per Gurmukhs, Mann leaves the body? Is there any Gurbani line which indicates that?

2 )Lets suppose Mann leaves the body during sleep then why it does not remember full detail of dream when we wake up in the morning? Science says its our brain which takes dreams. Gurmukhs say its Mann.

3) Why Mann is not aware when it leaves the body? 

 

Bande Khoj Dil Har Roj so lets do some Khoj in

 

 

 

 

On 11/17/2020 at 11:29 PM, Sat1176 said:

I've heard the pangti being used in this context but can't find it.

Dhan chotay mun kaha summyee...

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh ji

 

Is man ko koyi khojo bhai

tan chootay man kaha smayi......

 

Divas Raat dui daayi daya khelai sagal jagat.....

The day and night is a game. We die every night when we sleep. mann leaves the body at night when we sleep. Gurmukh's leaves there body by there own will and manmukh's like me leave there body by kaal's will. kaal forces us to leave this body every night. He threw out us from his desh every night. This is a khed a game. according to gurbani the day is the night (when mann comes to this body and we wake up in the morning) and night is the day (when mann leaves this body and goes to the our ghar{sunn}). Man is player but we forgot this khed of aavan jana. we go every night to  our ghar but we are so much attached to this world. we go to our ghar but our dhyan remains in this world and what we see there we call that dreams. But in reality according to Gurbani this world is a supna and the night when we leaves the body is sach. There is no night in our ghar. There is always day in our ghar. Bhagt Ravidas ji mentioned our ghar as begampura shehar in gurbani. 

Begampura Shahar ko naao 

Dookh andoh naahi tih thao....

Man does not remember all things when leaves the body, because we do not leave our body by our own will. We go there(in sunn) and got stucked or drowned in bhavjal due to less naam dhan. We need to learn that how to leave body. This is the first step. We will remember everything when we will leave our body by our own will. 

bhul chuk li khima.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh ji

 

 

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On 12/24/2020 at 1:46 PM, Guest Guest604 said:

 

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh ji

 

Is man ko koyi khojo bhai

tan chootay man kaha smayi......

 

Divas Raat dui daayi daya khelai sagal jagat.....

The day and night is a game. We die every night when we sleep. mann leaves the body at night when we sleep. Gurmukh's leaves there body by there own will and manmukh's like me leave there body by kaal's will. kaal forces us to leave this body every night. He threw out us from his desh every night. This is a khed a game. according to gurbani the day is the night (when mann comes to this body and we wake up in the morning) and night is the day (when mann leaves this body and goes to the our ghar{sunn}). Man is player but we forgot this khed of aavan jana. we go every night to  our ghar but we are so much attached to this world. we go to our ghar but our dhyan remains in this world and what we see there we call that dreams. But in reality according to Gurbani this world is a supna and the night when we leaves the body is sach. There is no night in our ghar. There is always day in our ghar. Bhagt Ravidas ji mentioned our ghar as begampura shehar in gurbani. 

Begampura Shahar ko naao 

Dookh andoh naahi tih thao....

Man does not remember all things when leaves the body, because we do not leave our body by our own will. We go there(in sunn) and got stucked or drowned in bhavjal due to less naam dhan. We need to learn that how to leave body. This is the first step. We will remember everything when we will leave our body by our own will. 

bhul chuk li khima.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh ji

 

 

I asked this question & what you told me is exactly what Simranjeet Singh Tohana is saying. I live in Surrey BC. 

Tohana says mastak vich ve diyaan de point ne……on other hand  I hear him saying mastak vich diyaan nahi launa...body te lodd nahi pauna......( I know there are 6 chakras) But lets get to my question:

Dreams come in Subconsciousness so I believe surti goes from conscious to Subconscious.....if it goes out can you please tell me how it goes out? From nose, from eyes, from where? I would love to meet someone in Surrey too who knows this answer....

there r 3 stages: waking, dreaming, deep sleep  4th one is Turiya

How can we say surti goes out? If goes out? then where OR is it all happening inside the body...

Need practical answers please ( I have listened many Khatas too)

 

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10 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

I asked this question & what you told me is exactly what Simranjeet Singh Tohana is saying. I live in Surrey BC. 

Tohana says mastak vich ve diyaan de point ne……on other hand  I hear him saying mastak vich diyaan nahi launa...body te lodd nahi pauna......( I know there are 6 chakras) But lets get to my question:

Dreams come in Subconsciousness so I believe surti goes from conscious to Subconscious.....if it goes out can you please tell me how it goes out? From nose, from eyes, from where? I would love to meet someone in Surrey too who knows this answer....

there r 3 stages: waking, dreaming, deep sleep  4th one is Turiya

How can we say surti goes out? If goes out? then where OR is it all happening inside the body...

Need practical answers please ( I have listened many Khatas too)

 

When I was small and ask questions like these my mom used to say "beta Gurbani buddhi da vishey( subject) nahi hai" I didn't understand then but now I do. 

Meri matt thori Ram

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3 minutes ago, seattlesingh said:

Yes if someone could clarify the situation about "kithe dhyan launa" I think Tohana ji and Gurmat Meditation sangat have different viewpoints. 

No brother, they both are the students of PMKC Moga. We should put our dhyaan as per Dharamjeet Singh ji on a point outside our forhead. He points at it about 6 inches bahar than forhead Or nose end and Simranjeet Singh tohana calls the same as khali khala. Point is same only the manner of saying is different. 

That's what I have understood. I stand to be corrected. 

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On 12/24/2020 at 1:46 PM, Guest Guest604 said:

 

 

 

I don't think anybody here has experince of mann leaving the body everyday....If anyone knows share....Does anybody has that personal experience every night like Tohana says?  mann goes out?  goes out OR is it all happening inside the body...

I posted this question in Nov & looks like no one has practical experience....

I have more questions to ask too but I have not got even this answer........

 

 

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13 hours ago, Still nascent said:

When I was small and ask questions like these my mom used to say "beta Gurbani buddhi da vishey( subject) nahi hai" I didn't understand then but now I do. 

Meri matt thori Ram

 

Brother if you don't know answer of the question better is don't say anything.... Gurbani buddhi da vishey( subject) nahi hai.???..Gurbani tu Giyaan kon lenda hai? when you read SGGS, don't you try to understand it?? Can you understand without buddhi???

 

 

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On 12/29/2020 at 12:12 PM, Still nascent said:

No brother, they both are the students of PMKC Moga. We should put our dhyaan as per Dharamjeet Singh ji on a point outside our forhead. He points at it about 6 inches bahar than forhead Or nose end and Simranjeet Singh tohana calls the same as khali khala. Point is same only the manner of saying is different. 

That's what I have understood. I stand to be corrected. 

Actually you should all be careful going direct into Dhyan isn't always good unless you have enough Gurmantar Abhyaas, both Dharmjit Singh and Tohana Ji have started there own schools separate from the main PMKC Moga.  Some people have got upset with their methods taught to go directly into Dhyan.  PMKC Moga though teaches how to get to that point through proper channels, as taught through Gurbani as was originally preached by Bhai Sahib Bhai Sewa Singh Ji Tarmala.

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On 12/30/2020 at 1:59 PM, Guest Guest Guest said:

 

Brother if you don't know answer of the question better is don't say anything.... Gurbani buddhi da vishey( subject) nahi hai.???..Gurbani tu Giyaan kon lenda hai? when you read SGGS, don't you try to understand it?? Can you understand without buddhi???

 

yaar tusi te bade gusse plus jaldi vich lagde ho?  I told you I didn't understand it then .. It's a matter of practice. Of experience. It's Not the matter of explainations... Ok tell me something I was hungry I ate something filling I am satisfied now, if a guest comes to me and ask me how did your tummy get satisfied by what you ate. I don't know what to tell him. All I can tell him is I was hungry. I got food. It  satisfied me. But how? I have no clue.. That's how its meant to be. Earth is round. It revolves around the Sun but why nd how? I don't know.. 

As you progress in Bhakti you cross few hurdles and move further in Stages- avasthas. You are right. I don't have answers. I am no gyaani but this forum I am aware, has those brilliant diamonds. Be humble. Keep walking.. You will feel those avasthaas yourself.. If you r keen in getting answers you WILL get them. Bani certifies that. Turde ko turda mile urde ko urda

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@HisServant welcome back again and thanks for updating. I was wondering where did you disappear to. Its been amazing to see your exponential progress from a beginner to this...Its inspiring so please post from time to time. 

@Sat1176@Lucky How are my veerjis doing? I know you guys used to share your avastha/experiences in the beginning a lot, but you have also gone quiet. Please do share from time to time, so we can have an idea about next stages/avasthas.

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On 1/8/2021 at 1:48 PM, HisServant said:

As for physical measurable experiences - 

"parkash" is a lot stronger and feels like a "tool". If I'm ever tired, I just sit in the place where there's light (when I say light I don't mean a literal light but more of a light that's colourless but also can get very bright - I know it's probably hard to try and figure out what that would look like). But sitting in that spot feels refreshing for the physical body. 

The mind lets go of the body in a very different way now. It's like it just dissolves and then all that's left is space. It's a very easy and smooth process. Just like sugar dissolving into water. And then eventually gets to the point where all memories, thoughts and sense of self is gone. There's this experience that happens where it feels like the mind is going through mini explosion type phases. The deeper and longer I sit in there, the more of a shock I go into once I wake up. Waking up from that state and transitioning back into the body feels like entering tregun for the first time. It's a literal shock for a second or two until I remember who I am again. 

It's like being in two different worlds - the physical world where the body lives life and then being non existent. 

But even when the mind is with the physical body that "non-existent state" still exists. 

It's very difficult to put labels on it and describe it but the best way I can put it is "I exist but also don't". It's like being a ball of energy in a physical body. And at times it feels like what "I" am or could be also exists outside of the body. 

The part of the body-mind complex that takes in sensory information is a lot more in tune with subtle energies as well. I feel a stronger collection of energy around the head. It's very heavy. I don't know how to explain this. 

And then at times it feels like the entire universe is inside the mind. I lived most of my life with the perspective that the universe is external and outside of the body. They felt like separate parts. But now it's like "everything else" is inside the thing that feels like "me". So as a result, everything feels like it's "me". BUT at the same time "me" feels like it does not exist so it's as if nothing actually exists. Again, "illusion" is the best term but it still doesn't describe what's being processed by the sensory system.

When I type all of this out it really does not make any sense but the experience itself makes sense when experienced. 

This is why I stopped telling my friends and family my experiences or updating on here. There's just no way to explain things anymore that make sense through language.

 

Edit: And to add to all of this - only the experiences that have a "visual" or "sound" or some other form of connection to tregun can actually be described. Anything that goes beyond the senses or cannot be connected to tregun using an analogy can't actually be put in writing. They're experienced but then the mind can't even properly remember them. 

Hence why it’s said that Truth is beyond description. It can’t be described, only experienced. It’s beyond worldly logic. Once you see through the illusion, that’s a great step. Keep going. 

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On 12/30/2020 at 8:29 AM, Guest Guest Guest said:

 

Brother if you don't know answer of the question better is don't say anything.... Gurbani buddhi da vishey( subject) nahi hai.???..Gurbani tu Giyaan kon lenda hai? when you read SGGS, don't you try to understand it?? Can you understand without buddhi???

 

 

Don't want to say anything wrong, but i think he means that only knowledge of gurbani is like nothing. We have so many granthis, lecturers in uni, organisations' presidents, SGPC members etc, they all have knowledge but they don't practice naam or gurbani, and I won't hesitate to say that they don't believe 100% what they know.

I have learnt how to practice naam but I don't do it, and instead carry on sleeping late in the morning. Does my knowledge means everything ? would it take me anywhere ? No.  I do love gurbani, and it is the love which would help me reach the spirituality heights. It is the guilt in my heart which would mean anything to Waheguru. I do fight everyday to come over my obstacles, I win, I lose, but carry on rolling in the hope that one day...

For example, a student doing PhD in gurbani would not become a saint.  One has to put 100% faith in guru's baani and practice/appreciate/love/adore day/night.  

Bhul chuk Maaf, but I think I understand what he means!

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On 1/8/2021 at 12:12 PM, Ragmaala said:

@HisServant welcome back again and thanks for updating. I was wondering where did you disappear to. Its been amazing to see your exponential progress from a beginner to this...Its inspiring so please post from time to time. 

 

I appreciate the kind words. But also my views on ideas like this have really changed. I don't think there is a beginner or expert. Everything (god) is already there. There's nothing to look for. I want you to watch this next video carefully:

^^^ I think this can be compared to how we see people. Both objects in each scenario are the same, but they're perceived as different. Just like how we see people. On the physical surface, just bones, flesh etc  - a biomechanical suit. Which is run by some sort of intelligence that has been shaped by a persons experiences (including previous lives), their upbringing, their family life, the "good" and "bad" things that have happened to them. Whether or not someone believes in "fate", it seems like it could still be argued that we don't have much control over our lives, even our own actions. If you had lived the exact same experiences as someone else, I think it would be likely that your actions would mimic them. So how can one be labeled as a "sinner" and one as a "saint"? 

During the heightened moments where everything is a bit more "clear" and the intuition is strong, it feels like I've just been living in "psychosis" my entire life. Just like when people see things that aren't there and they get sent to a psych ward for a mental illness evaluation. 

These are just my opinions in the current moment - things often change for me the deeper I go. 

^^^ And then in this video, how god is viewed. When she hides the toy, the kid thinks the toy has disappeared and doesn't know where it is. But it's always right in front of her. 

Just like this - In spirituality - where is god? who is the sinner and who is the saint? Who is the atheist and who is the religious person? 

A lot of perceptions really change - In some of the sessions it feels like the universe in within the mind instead of the body/mind complex being within the universe. Everything just flips. 

 

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On 9/26/2020 at 5:25 PM, Sikhilove said:

 

 

On 9/26/2020 at 6:20 AM, Guest Em Kaur said:

However, the right hand side of my body still vibrates and I can feel the energy coiling up my back. 

I have this problem now. Ira pingal imbalance I am not sure. Hope ardas and benti and seeking out feel from naam in heart might help. Imbalance literally feels split on right and left.  I was doing va in navel, he in heart, gu in throat and ru parkash..may be I skipped 3rd eye all together which is ira pingala sukhmana triveni? I am not sure..should have stick with spiritual heart on the right.

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On 1/14/2021 at 5:56 PM, Sehaj said:

@HisServant Waheguru Ji this is amazing. Do you have children? I always wonder how one remains being a solid and loving parent to younger children in particular, when reaching this stage?

I'm 23 lol. Hopefully I'll have a "mini me" one day but I'm not even married yet. But to answer the question - the physical aspect of the mind/body complex still lives life with complete passion. But what's different for me is there's less of a sense of "self". Like just dissolving. The system exists in one capacity but also does not exist. During meditation, the shift is more towards dissolution (every idea of "self" is completely gone - including the feeling of the body, dreams, thoughts - I won't get into this too much) but outside of meditation the shift is closer to a centre point. It's really hard to explain the spiritual side but the best way I can put it is having both sides of a coin coinciding. It's a lot easier to explain the physical changes in terms of personality and personal life expression because those can actually be explained using language and analogies. 

I'll be completely open and honest - I'm not very religious and I have been in relationships. I know this will likely upset a lot of people. But I have a lot of close friendships and some of those friendships have turned into relationships. The difference is that there is a lot more detachment when there are problems in a relationship. There's less or no heartbreak if the person leaves. This was not the case for me when the spiritual side was not as developed. I used to get very sad. But now I just let go. I'm not perfect. But things are a lot better. 

And in relationships, there is a lot more focus on the other person and keeping them happy. And the desire to make sure their needs are taken care of. The love is still there (I'm not an absent partner) but there is almost no fear and pain during the difficult times. 

Even with family - years ago - I did not have much care or concern for my parents. But over the years, I've developed a lot more love for them as well. There is a lot more of a desire to take care of them. But not an obsession or major attachment. 

For me personally - it's not like taking an anti-depression medication and being completely numb. I'm emotionless during meditation - but I live life with complete passion. I express joy and happiness. I have a lot of friends. I'm a social person and I like to be around people. I even put my foot down when it's needed and put people in their place. And I think these are all just normal aspects of life. A security guard can't sweet talk everyone - they need to put their foot down and show anger, even if they aren't actually angry. Even in Sikh history - there are a lot of examples of our Guru's putting their feet down and other times where they are expressing compassion for people. Not in an obsessive way - just living life with full passion but still being detached. They even had the best horses and thrones - maya wasn't "bad" - what was considered "bad" was the obsession with those objects. 

And as a father - I think this would help me be a better parent. There's more clarity when life problems come up and there is more sympathy and compassion. I actually look forward to having a family one day and raising a child or two. My detachment is a lot better in relationships but I know being a parent is a completely different ball game. I know I won't be perfect but meditation will definitely keep me more calm and stable. 

I do work in the emergency department of a hospital - and I do feel a lot more concern for my patients. There's a desire to go above and beyond to make them feel better (both physically and emotionally). There are times when things do not go well with a patient and I end up sitting in a quiet room crying and getting emotional. But not out of frustration - more out of sympathy and concern for the patient. I don't know if this is supposed to happen, but it's how I naturally react sometimes and I don't hold it in. Even with friends and family - I'm usually the one always asking people if they are ok or being the one everyone wants to vent to. But this could also just be my personality. It might not reflect the effects of meditation. I think what is "achieved" is the ability to not obsess and feel free.

And there is a lot less stigma and prejudice. You often see people treat homeless people and drug users differently than they would treat any other patient. As healthcare workers, we're taught to stay away from those mental blocks but it's still a natural human instinct to make assumptions. I've noticed myself doing this a lot less. It's the same amount of concern and care for all patients regardless of how they look or how they are as a person. 

And finally - my productivity is out of this world - not falling trap to emotions has given me so much freedom to do so much more. 

- I work about 72-84 hours per week at the hospital (12 hour shifts, 6-7 days a week)

- I am taking 7 university courses (I'm a straight A student with very high grades - I used to get very low grades years back)

- I am also doing a healthcare certificate which most people work on full-time

- Doing my realtor certificate which most people also do full-time

- I also run my own small business and working on a second one

About 5 full-time activities at the same time. We can do a lot as people when emotions are not in the way. I don't have to do any of these things and I'm not forcing myself or pushing myself, I'm just passionate for all 5 and want to do them. I decided to sacrifice a year and work on my credentials to open up the chances to a better future. Med school is competitive and I'm still working on becoming a doctor. It's a lot harder in Canada than it is in the US. Our schools typically have 5000-6000 applicants  (each) and they take about 200 each. But in the meantime, I'm just doing what I enjoy. 

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I forgot to mention this but this has been happening a lot more as of yesterday - 

I remember I posted a pretty major experience about a year ago - where I hit this place which was like a bottomless pit of energy. Something very powerful. Beyond anything I've ever experienced. And it has life to it. 

It's not in a particular place - like you know when you see parkash, you can point out where you see it? Or if you hear shabad, you can say "I hear it in my head" or "above my head" or wherever you hear it? 

But this has no position. Neither inside nor outside the body. Yet it's more powerful and "vivid" than parkash or shabad. But no actual sight or sound. It's just "energy". It's there whether eyes are open are closed. It's there in meditation and outside. Even when I'm walking around at work, studying, etc it's always there. 

I don't know how to describe it yet but once I do I will post an update. 

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