singh_uk Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 (edited) Hello Could someone with some knowledge of Dasam Granth please answer this question: At the end of each story in the Hikayatan in the last 2 pauria something is asked for - according to the Pritpal Singh Bindra translation this is wine. A few examples are given below. Is this metaphorical or a mistranslation? No immature or anti-dasam replies please. ‘Oh! Saki, give me green wine to drink, ‘Because the Master is intelligent enough, and is known all over.(48) ‘Saki! Give me the cup full of greenish (liquid), ‘Which soothes during the wars and the lonely nights.’(49) ‘Oh! Saki. Give me the reddish wine of Europe. ‘Which I would relish when I brandish the sword during the war.(46) ‘Give it to me so that I could contemplate, ‘And with the sword annihilate (the evil forces). (The Poet says), ‘Oh, Saki, give me the cup full of green liquid, ‘So that I may keep the secret enshroud.(178) ‘Oh Saki! Give me the greenish wine of Europe, ‘Which I may need on the day of war. Give me the cup full of liquidated poppy-husk, ‘Which may help me at the time of struggle.(59) ‘Also it is reliable to beat the enemy. ‘Even one sip of this makes one feel like an elephant. Oh! Saki, Give me the cup full of green (liquid), ‘Which I need at the time of struggle.(20) ‘Fill it up to the brim, so that I can drink it with every breath, ‘And forget the afflictions of both the worlds Edited January 26, 2010 by singh_uk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weedol Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Hmmm... could it be the 'holy' absynthe? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prabhjot Singh Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 i would also like to know answer to this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaljug Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 It's likely the cannabis-based drink that was used by Kshatriyas before fighting a war, similar to the Sukhnidhaan of the Nihangs. K. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 I think it is traditionally translated as metaphor for 'naam'. Which is not so unbelievable, especially as the same is done in Gurbani, Bhagat Kabir Jeeo say: ਪੀਵਹੁ ਸੰਤ ਸਦਾ ਮਤਿ ਦੁਰਲਭ ਸਹਜੇ ਪਿਆਸ ਬੁਝਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Singh UK quoted a restricted selection, other Hikayats says things like: ‘Oh! Saki, Give me the cup full of green (liquid), ‘Which I need at the time of my nourishment.(50) ‘Give it to me so that I can contemplate, ‘As it kindles my thought like an earthen-lamp.’(51)(5) We need to look at it in context, it could be that it refers to both worldly and spiritual, as the Sri Dasam Granth is the bani of the Singh Soorma Khalsa - and Suknidaan is the Degh of the Laadli Fauj. But same way, we know Dasmesh Pitas writings are extremely metaphorical and hold deep meanings (for me anyway), so a literal interpretation seems overly simplified here in my opinion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithar Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Hello Could someone with some knowledge of Dasam Granth please answer this question: At the end of each story in the Hikayatan in the last 2 pauria something is asked for - according to the Pritpal Singh Bindra translation this is wine. A few examples are given below. Is this metaphorical or a mistranslation? No immature or anti-dasam replies please. ‘Oh! Saki, give me green wine to drink, ‘Because the Master is intelligent enough, and is known all over.(48) ‘Saki! Give me the cup full of greenish (liquid), ‘Which soothes during the wars and the lonely nights.’(49) ‘Oh! Saki. Give me the reddish wine of Europe. ‘Which I would relish when I brandish the sword during the war.(46) ‘Give it to me so that I could contemplate, ‘And with the sword annihilate (the evil forces). (The Poet says), ‘Oh, Saki, give me the cup full of green liquid, ‘So that I may keep the secret enshroud.(178) ‘Oh Saki! Give me the greenish wine of Europe, ‘Which I may need on the day of war. Give me the cup full of liquidated poppy-husk, ‘Which may help me at the time of struggle.(59) ‘Also it is reliable to beat the enemy. ‘Even one sip of this makes one feel like an elephant. Oh! Saki, Give me the cup full of green (liquid), ‘Which I need at the time of struggle.(20) ‘Fill it up to the brim, so that I can drink it with every breath, ‘And forget the afflictions of both the worlds Hikayats are in farsi. I would like to know what knowledge does Pritpal Singh Bindra have of Farsi? As far as I know he doesn't know the language. So how did he write translations of this purely farsi based Bani? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaljug Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Anyone know whether Hikayatan is available somewhere in Farsi script? If so, please point me in the correct direction and I'll see if I can get these pauria translated to see if they match. K. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Just a question, is not possible some of these are character dialouges within the bani? anyone know? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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