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We also need to eject the closet Jatt pillocks also. But the problem is, if we do that we'd have no one in our institutions. Plus a lot more of them will be killing themselves because their livelihoods have been taken away. Have you noticed how they have no shame with jumping into bed with the RSS when it suits them?

Seeing all this, I'm glad we never got Khalistan now.

I think it is the nature of Punjabi's irrespective of caste for doing anything for Money and power.DSGPC is not controlled by jatts but still they are the one's who sold justice of 1984 riots to congress.Sikh schools and colleges in Delhi are not even in the list of best school or colleges.As a result of this many sikh families opt for english medium best schools of Delhi where sikh children get exposed to westernised culture

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I think it is the nature of Punjabi's irrespective of caste for doing anything for Money and power.DSGPC is not controlled by jatts but still they are the one's who sold justice of 1984 riots to congress.Sikh schools and colleges in Delhi are not even in the list of best school or colleges.As a result of this many sikh families opt for english medium best schools of Delhi where sikh children get exposed to westernised culture

It seems like everyone sold out the 1984 massacre victims.......

I mean even if they are outwitted by the centre the SGPC could at least open up the coffers a bit for widows and that, but we all know where their heart lays. I want to know, just what happens with the massive golak contributions the SGPC ends up with? Where does it end up? In the Badal family treasury?

Thankfully the few Sikh schools in the UK (that I know of) are actually quite well ranked, so Sikhs in Delhi need to buck their ideas up. As for western culture, there is no getting away from it, we have to learn to innoculate our youth against its more negative aspects, but currently we are failing abysmally in this area. Majority influence is a strong social force and our lot are getting it hard between westernisation and Bollywoodisation. Corruption and hypocrisy in our own institutes isn't exactly helping with this.

Living, breathing popular role models are needed but all we seem to do is find mystical babay to prostrate ourselves to. I hope this slump doesn't go on for much longer. I hope we learn from this Ravidasia incident, I doubt we will but I can remain hopeful.

Just what we need in Panjab today.......<groan>

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It seems like everyone sold out the 1984 massacre victims.......

I mean even if they are outwitted by the centre the SGPC could at least open up the coffers a bit for widows and that, but we all know where their heart lays. I want to know, just what happens with the massive golak contributions the SGPC ends up with? Where does it end up? In the Badal family treasury?

Well If the treasure of sgpc ends up in Badal family

the treasure of DSGPC ends up in Sarna and other members of Dsgpc.I agree that SGPC should had done something ,but dsgp members were dorectly involved in threatening the widows in the cases of 1984.People like Jarnail singh who put their entire career on stake by throwing shoe was not even given saropa and allowed to speak in the major Gurdwara' of Delhi like rakab ganj,Bangla sahib sis ganj though saropa's were given to Tytler and sajjan kumar

Whether it is Badal or sarna,Jatt or Khatri's the fact is condition of sikhism is very bad and it is going worse

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The World is burning, O Lord, Save it, O Save it, by whichever door it pleases thee

Anyone know what ang of SGGS ji this is from - please let me know.

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Thanks for that guys.

I'm just reflecting on it now and lately I have been thinking that the [possibly only] way forward right now is to stay aloof from the political side of Sikhi, seeing as it has become so corrupt and focus on the more personal bhagti side. I know this in itself is far from ideal in that it just opens up another weak front, but what else can we do. Besides maybe we have lost balance between the devotional and political and need to rebalance this? Sad truth is, in an increasingly perilous and fluxing world, we really need to be strong and growing as a quom right now. I don't want to sound like a fear monger but today there are real and genuine threats out there for our small panth.

I guess this is all hukam? Whatever happens to us is. Whether individually or corporately. Would be sad if we get caught out - yet again.

ਜਗਤੁ ਜਲੰਦਾ ਰਖਿ ਲੈ ਆਪਣੀ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਧਾਰਿ ॥

The world is going up in flames - shower it with Your Mercy, and save it!

ਜਿਤੁ ਦੁਆਰੈ ਉਬਰੈ ਤਿਤੈ ਲੈਹੁ ਉਬਾਰਿ ॥

Save it, and deliver it, by whatever method it takes.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਵੇਖਾਲਿਆ ਸਚਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਬੀਚਾਰਿ ॥

The True Guru has shown the way to peace, contemplating the True Word of the Shabad.

ਨਾਨਕ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਸੁਝਈ ਹਰਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਬਖਸਣਹਾਰੁ ॥੧॥

Nanak knows no other than the Lord, the Forgiving Lord. ||1||

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Thanks for that guys.

I'm just reflecting on it now and lately I have been thinking that the [possibly only] way forward right now is to stay aloof from the political side of Sikhi,

100% spot on!

Try it and you'll notice the improvement in your focus during simran within days. It is very hard to be involved in politics and remain detached at the same time. Some of the arguments I see really bring home the point that we've forgotten the main purpose of Sikhi - to make use of this rare human birth, cultivate love for GUru Ji and become one with Waheguru.

It's only if we keep this goal in mind that we can fight worldly battles as well as spiritual/ mental.

It's clear that most of the trouble makers in the panth are Sikh because they were born into it, real love and longing for Guru Ji seems to be missing in the lot of them.

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Row over new religion: ‘Dera directive can’t be enforced on entire community’

Posted: Tuesday , Feb 02, 2010 at 2353 hrs

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After the announcement by Dera Sachkhand Ballan of founding a separate religion —Ravidassia —at an event to mark the 633rd birth anniversary of Sant Ravidass in Varanasi on Saturday, several dissenting voices are being heard. The dera has also announced that the community will have a separate religious book titled ‘Amrit Bani Guru Ravidass’, which contains 240 hymns by Guru Ravidass, a separate symbol ‘Har’ and a separate motto ‘Jai Gurudev’.

Addressing a press conference, Gian Chand, convener of Samaj Bachao Morcha, which represents a section of Dalits, stated that the dera’s directive could not be enforced on the entire community. Claiming that the dera’s name was being used by certain persons for their vested interests, ha said Dera Sachkhand Ballan chief Sant Niranjan Dass had never spoken on the issue. He added that at the recent celebrations in Varanasi, all traditions of the Guru Granth Sahib were followed.

Demanding the reason for Sant Niranjan Dass’ silence on the issue, Chand said he should be brought before the media as “this decision could not be his own”. Morcha members said they had the utmost respect for Guru Ravidass’ bani but at the same time the community cannot turn its back towards the Guru Granth Sahib. Dera Sachkhand Ballan came into the limelight after the Vienna incident, wherein Sant Ramananad, the deputy of Sant Niranjan Dass, was murdered in an attack allegedly carried out by some Sikhs in May last year. Sant Niranjan Dass was injured in the attack. The motive behind the attack is still not known and Austrian police are still investigating the case. Several members of the sect, in a major departure from tradition, had stopped placing the Guru Granth Sahib in the Ravidass temples after the attack, but gradually the birs were reintroduced.

Ravidassia community part and parcel of Sikhism: Makkar

AMRITSAR:Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (SGPC) chief Avtar Singh Makkar said there was no move to remove the Guru Granth Sahib from the gurdwaras named after Sant Ravidass. “The Ravidassia community should not restrict the great saint to itself as he was an apostle of peace and humanity for the whole of mankind. The Ravidassia community is part and parcel of Sikhism and all Sikhs place a high regard on the teachings of Sant Ravidass,” he said.

Security tightened

Activists of Ambedkar Sena (Mool Niwasi) termed Gian Chand a traitor and raised slogans against the Samaj Bachao Morcha and its leaders outside the Press Club on Monday. The police rushed to the spot and managed to control the unruly scene. Superintendent of Police (Headquarters) Satinder Singh escorted Gian Chand to his residence. Later, security was strengthened in the city and the areas around the dera.

Sant Niranjan Dass back in city

Ravidassia-Begumpura Express, a train hired by Dera Sachkhand Ballan for carrying devotees to Varanasi to celebrate the birth anniversary of Guru Ravidass at his birth place (Seer Gowardhanpur) returned to Jalandhar on Monday with Dera head Sant Niranjan Dass and his aide Sant Surinder Dass Bawa on board. At the railway station, about 300 dera followers welcomed the sants. The dera management, however, chose not to speak to the mediapersons who had gathered at the railway station.

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The funny thing is that they only venerate Bhagat Ravidass ji due to the fact that he was from a Chamar background!

Although I condemn the ill-treatment of some 'low-castes' by some sections of Sikhs (which was obviously the catalyst for their 'move'), the Ravidassias are engaging in their own form of caste-ism by creating a Chamar-only religion. Seems rather hypocritical?

If only both would actually follow the teachings of the Gurus :mellow:

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Ravidassia is a Hindu sect founded in the 15th century. It has nothing to do with Sikhism. A few Ravidassis became Khalsa and joined our ranks. The rest stuck to Hinduism and Indian nationalism.

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The funny thing is that they only venerate Bhagat Ravidass ji due to the fact that he was from a Chamar background!

Although I condemn the ill-treatment of some 'low-castes' by some sections of Sikhs (which was obviously the catalyst for their 'move'), the Ravidassias are engaging in their own form of caste-ism by creating a Chamar-only religion. Seems rather hypocritical?

If only both would actually follow the teachings of the Gurus :mellow:

I doubt anything to do with the Sikh Gurus or their teachings made them shift, more likely it was the kartootaan of many people who call themselves Sikh today but can't get over old, deeply rooted animosity.

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