Pakistani Women Spies

[cybersingh]

tribune news india

935 Pak Mata Haris waiting to honeytrap Indians

Women spies been trained in Kasab’s home district

Naveen S Garewal/TNS

Chandigarh, May 6

Pakistan is set to wage a proxy war of a different kind that has its roots in history. The neighbours, it is learnt, is training a group of 935 women to use them as bait to gather strategic information from Indian politicians and officials.

According to intelligence sources, the women — camped in Faridkot district of Pakistan Punjab — are being trained by the ISI on the model of Mata Hari spies. The aim is not just to entice Indians for extracting information, but also to keep them as potential terrorists; to be used whenever the need arose. The recruits are also reportedly being trained in the use of computers, with an aim to lay “honeytraps” for Indian youth. Once the training is over, these women would be pushed into India through West Bengal and Bihar, sources said.

This input has the state police and Central security agencies worried. Agencies are wary of any women coming to India from Pakistan on private visits or as tourists.

Recently, eyebrows were raised when a Pakistani woman was found accompanying a top Punjab politician to Jaipur without proper visa. Also, intelligence agencies are convinced that ISI was attempting to revive militancy in Punjab.

Faridkot (Pakistan), where the terror camps are being run, also happens to be home district of LeT terrorist Ajmal Kasab. The ISI, it is learnt, is trying to project Kasab as a “hero” who had “gone all out for Islamic jihad”.

The Punjab Police, too, has been closely following developments across the border. It has intensified surveillance after neutralising an ISI-sponsored espionage ring and arrested four residents of villages in Faridkot. The cops had recovered sensitive documents relating to important military installations during these arrests.

Also, the interrogation of Asiya Malik, the wife of a Pakistani soldier arrested in Sunderbani area of Jammu and Kashmir in November last, had revealed that another group of over 100 Pakistani girls was being trained in two camps in Bhimber and Kotli areas of Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir.

[Mithar]

This seems like wishful thinking on the part of Indian media which just loves to add masala to news stories. I refuse to beleive that Pakistanis with all their faults would use their women as bait for the Hindus. Pakistani Muslims are too proud of a people to do that. In that part of the world women are honour and I doubt Pakistani Muslims would sell their honour to Hindus like this.

[kdsingh80]

This seems like wishful thinking on the part of Indian media which just loves to add masala to news stories. I refuse to beleive that Pakistanis with all their faults would use their women as bait for the Hindus. Pakistani Muslims are too proud of a people to do that. In that part of the world women are honour and I doubt Pakistani Muslims would sell their honour to Hindus like this.

Everything is fare in love and war.The main aim of Deployment of Women in BSF on Punjab border is to curb Smuggling as large number of women are used by pakistani smugglers to smuggle.So why can't they use women as spies?

[shaheediyan]

Mithar, prostitution exists Pakistan, if men can use women in this way, I don't see why they can't use them as spies.

I agree re the honour thing, but that is mostly in the rural areas, if you look at what goes on in the main cities, you would be very surprised...

The elite have a very different view to the commonfolk and religious folk.

[Mithar]

Everything is fare in love and war.The main aim of Deployment of Women in BSF on Punjab border is to curb Smuggling as large number of women are used by pakistani smugglers to smuggle.So why can't they use women as spies?

Those women are not just being used as spies, but as sexual bait. I do not beleive Muslims will allow Muslim women to have sex with Hindus. No way it can happen.

[amardeep]

Did'n the mughals use to send muslim prostitutes to the sikh areas?

[shaheediyan]

Yes Amardeep, I believe they did, don't forget, at that time in India, many of the prostitutes were Muslim (so no reason why they wouldn't be used to extract info), this is one of the reasons I believe Maharaj gave hukum to have no rishta/yudh with muslian, also, because outside of this, a Singh that could serious about a Musli would be more likely to convert to her faith rather than vice versa, we see the same happening to Muslim boys and Sikh girls today, conversion is only one way. Sadly, I have even heard of cases in recent years of Sikh guys converting to marry Muslim girls, but never the other way around.

Its funny how Muslims have all of a sudden got an impecable reputation for protecting their women... truth is they are the same as everyone else on Earth, as I said, prostitution is a big business in many Muslim countries, Iranian friends of mine have told me just how common it is in Iran, there is no law saying only Muslims can use Muslim prostitutes.

I agree that generally Muslims are much more protective of their womenfolks honour, but to think that the Government/Military is differnt to any other is silly.

[Kaljug]

Those women are not just being used as spies, but as sexual bait. I do not beleive Muslims will allow Muslim women to have sex with Hindus. No way it can happen.

They are already used as sexual bait. It's the reason that Muslim women can only marry Muslims - so that a man who wants to marry a Muslim woman has to convert to Islam and raise Muslim children. Muslim men on the other hand are free to marry Christians and Jews as long as their children are raised as Muslims.

Muslim women are already used as suicide bombers so I doubt that the Muslim men who control them would have any problem with the scenario described in the news article.

K.

[kdsingh80]

Those women are not just being used as spies, but as sexual bait. I do not beleive Muslims will allow Muslim women to have sex with Hindus. No way it can happen.

A large number of bangladeshi muslim women are doing work of prostitution in India.So Muslim women do have sex with non muslim men

[dalsingh101]

Those women are not just being used as spies, but as sexual bait. I do not beleive Muslims will allow Muslim women to have sex with Hindus. No way it can happen.

I'm inclined to agree. There is no way I can see them sanctioning respectable members of their society to do this.

And what evidence is there of Muslim prostitutes being sent to Sikh areas by Mughals historically? Other than conjecture. I'd be interested to hear this.

I know some captured Singhs may have been offered brides and positions for converting, but this isn't the same as sending scrubbers into Sikh territory.

[Mithar]

I'm inclined to agree. There is no way I can see them sanctioning respectable members of their society to do this.

And what evidence is there of Muslim prostitutes being sent to Sikh areas by Mughals historically? Other than conjecture. I'd be interested to hear this.

I know some captured Singhs may have been offered brides and positions for converting, but this isn't the same as sending scrubbers into Sikh territory.

That's exactly what I'm saying. From the Pakistani Muslim perspective, the HIndus are the lowest and most inferior of people, for me to believe that they would actually use their women(honour) as sexual bait is too much for me to believe. These are not prostitutes as some people are arguing. Secondly they are not being used for the purpose of conversion but for spying. This alone is too much for me to believe. If you think Pakistanis would do this, then you do not understand the Pakistani mindset. They will rather kill all the women in their country instead using them as sexual bait for the Hindus. Indian media has zero credibility in my opinion, they will also claim similar lies against Sikhs. I have seen Indian media claiming that Sant Jarnail Singh Jee sanctioned women to be raped in Darbar Sahib. You think I would blindly believe in such a lying media?? I am absolutely no fan of Pakistan or Pakistanis, but I can clearly see when the Indian media is just bull$hiting.

[dalsingh101]

Yes Amardeep, I believe they did, don't forget, at that time in India, many of the prostitutes were Muslim (so no reason why they wouldn't be used to extract info), this is one of the reasons I believe Maharaj gave hukum to have no rishta/yudh with muslian,

Shaheediyan - Please provide some evidence of Moghuls sending sulli prossies on missions in Sikh areas as you believe. Or did you make that up?

[kdsingh80]

Here is discussion on islamic forum about why India has so many muslim prostitutes with a story of muslim Girl who is willingly engaged in this profession

http://www.islamicaweb.com/forums/culture-society/8254-prostitution-india-pakistan-iran.html

So don't think that all muslim parents kill their girls if they have sex with non muslim men,may be pakistanis are different

[dalsingh101]

Shaheediyan's response to post #12 above (from another thread).

Read up on the huge historic industry of the Mughal/Muslim Courtesan. Also read up how they have been known to pass on information. Its well known Guru Gobind Singh stopped his Singhs from entering Courtesan houses, if you believe that was for just one reason, or more, is your choice.

Okay, firstly you have to differentiate between a 'Muslim' and 'Moghul' courtesan. A scrubber in the Panjab may have been Muslim but to generalise them as 'Moghul' courtesans is implying they had some connection to the Moghuls. I very much doubt the common prostitute in Panjab did. But I get your theory. Regarding Guru Gobind Singh Ji's motivation for preventing Singhs frequenting prostitutes, your point is pure conjecture, which is fair enough given the lack of any surviving direct explanation by Guru ji.

The sending of prostitute spies to Panjab to infiltrate Sikhs is purely a hypothesis. And if they did, given Nur Qazis Mohammad's testimony of the 1760s in Jangnamah, they were unlikley to have snared any high ranking Singh as he mentions the community was conspicuous for its fidelity/sexual conservatism then.

A good example is our very own Maharaja Ranjit Singh, who was said to have used his love 'Moorans' Courtesan house to retrieve intelligence on the British. This is an age old tradition, used as far back as the times of the Jewish Kings.

I don't claim to know everything, and I am aware that the following statement may sound egoist, but I do think I am 'reasonably' well read on Sikh itihaas. I haven't come across any contemporary or near contemporary reference to the above. If you have some source as evidence of the above, please do share.

In War and Politics, religion is simply a tool.

There are secularists out there that think religion is little else.

[shaheediyan]

When I say 'Mughal' I mean during Mughal rule. Many prostitutes were Muslim. A courtesan is not a common prostitute, she is a specialised entertaininer, somewhat similar to a Geisha, commonly recieving patronage/large part of income from the Rulers (or their reps). I didn't say they were sent to specific people in Punjab, I said they spied, as did M Ranjit Singhs Muslim Courtesans. If/when, a Singh visited one, then info (in my opinion) would be passed on to the rulers. I don't have any specific evidenc of an incidient off hand (as both parties would hardly admit to it in their ithihaas), but as you say, its my theory, putting pieces of a jigsaw together i.e. 2ndry activities of Courtesans, examples from later Rulers, prohibitation in Rehits etc.

That's as much as I can discuss on the topic. Ta.