What Was The Gurus Views On Muhammed?

[dalsingh101]

Hang on - blonde moment over. I get it (I think), it could be possible that the yaara is being used as a device to refer to the reader of the vaars as opposed to Mohammad himself?

[Kam1825]

lol

I did not pipe up when Bahadur was on about the line of Bhai Gurdas's Vaar regardingh 'Mohammad Yaara'

It was quite obvious he was self taught and not by an ustaad on granths. The word Yaaras refers to Mohammeds friend namely the four caliphs Abu Bakar, Umar, Uthman and Ali

[amardeep]

What makes you belive it is talking about the first four caliphs?

[tonyhp32]

Unfortunately the translation of the word Yaara as 'beloved of God' appears on the Sikhi to the max site and that is what has caused this confusion. Originally Bahadur translated it as 'beloved or friend' but later he seems to have used the inaccurate translation from Sikh to the max. The term Char Yaar or the four friends in reference to the four caliphs was quite popular in the Punjab of Bhai Gurdas's time. As some have also said it is possible that it refers to the third person ie the reader, similar to the Babarvani verse, Jaisi mai avai Khasam ki Bani taisri kari Gian veh LALO.

The whole import and context of the Vaar 1 with regard to Mohammed is negative. His birth (creation) is seen as starting a period of religious strife and the comencement of maaran Gau Gareeb ie killing of the poor and the 'sacred' cow, a term used to denote unacceptable and extreme violence.

Although Amardeep is correct that the Kaum of Mohammed got spilt into 72 sects many years after Mohammed's death, the fact remains that the verses do not state that the events that happened after Mohammed were against his teachings. The line ਰੋਜੇ ਈਦ ਨਿਮਾਜਿ ਕਰਿ ਕਰਮੀ ਬੰਦਿ ਕੀਆ ਸੰਸਾਰਾ । could be an illusion to the submission (bandi) of the world to Islam. No mention is made of Mohammed having made any positive contribution quite contary to the way Muslims mention Mohammed as having be the 'ideal' human being.

Edited June 4, 2010 by tonyhp32

[amardeep]

Thanks for that Tony ji.

What about the word yaara in this context:

ਕੇਤੇ ਬੇਦਿ ਬਿਆਸ ਕਰਿ ਕਈ ਕਤੇਬ ਮੁਹੰਮਦ ਯਾਰਾ ।

He has created many a dear personality such as Vedavyas and Muhammad dear to the Vedas and the Katebas respectively.

Is it also the four caliphs?

[laalsingh]

lol

I did not pipe up when Bahadur was on about the line of Bhai Gurdas's Vaar regardingh 'Mohammad Yaara'

It was quite obvious he was self taught and not by an ustaad on granths. The word Yaaras refers to Mohammeds friend namely the four caliphs Abu Bakar, Umar, Uthman and Ali

Being a Shia, he overlooked Haq Char Yaar.

[Mr Sardar]

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Edited December 10, 2015 by sarbatdapala

[laalsingh]

who knows how many other religions existed but are now wiped out.

Sometime followers start thinking religion is bigger than Lord Himself. Him alone is eternal.