Mr Sardar Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 (edited) VJKK VJKFJi "31) Doosrae mataa dae pustak, vidyaa parhni. Pur bhrosaa drirh Gurbani, Akal Purakh tae karnaa - Study the books and knowledge of other faiths. But keep trust in Gurbani and Akal Purukh." Hukam of Guru Gobind Singh - http://www.info-sikh.com/Page52Hukams.html Sikhism and its link to the traditions of the Hind (Hinduism) can be seen from this quote below; hir jugu jugu Bgq aupwieAw pYj rKdw AwieAw rwm rwjy ] har jug jug bhagath oupaaeiaa paij rakhadhaa aaeiaa raam raajae || In each and every age, He creates His devotees and preserves their honor, O Lord King. hrxwKsu dustu hir mwirAw pRhlwdu qrwieAw ] haranaakhas dhusatt har maariaa prehalaadh tharaaeiaa || The Lord killed the wicked Harnaakhash, and saved Prahlaad. Sampooran Rehiras Sahib Alike to this we can see references to the Abrahamic tradation such as Islam being seen in Guru Granth Sahib here; ਦਾਸੁ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਕਹੈ ਸਮਝਾਇ ॥ Ḏās Kabīr kahai samjẖā▫e. Slave Kabeer speaks and teaches: ਕੇਵਲ ਰਾਮ ਰਹਹੁ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ ॥੩॥੬॥੧੪॥ Keval rām rahhu liv lā▫e. ||3||6||14|| remain lovingly absorbed, attuned to the Lord alone. ||3||6||14|| ਸਤਰਿ ਸੈਇ ਸਲਾਰ ਹੈ ਜਾ ਕੇ ॥ Saṯar sai▫e salār hai jā ke. He has 7,000 commanders, ਸਵਾ ਲਾਖੁ ਪੈਕਾਬਰ ਤਾ ਕੇ ॥ Savā lākẖ paikābar ṯā ke. and hundreds of thousands of prophets; ਸੇਖ ਜੁ ਕਹੀਅਹਿ ਕੋਟਿ ਅਠਾਸੀ ॥ Sekẖ jo kahī▫ahi kot aṯẖāsī. He is said to have 88,000,000 shaykhs, ਛਪਨ ਕੋਟਿ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਖੇਲ ਖਾਸੀ ॥੧॥ Cẖẖapan kot jā ke kẖel kẖāsī. ||1|| and 56,000,000 attendants. ||1|| ਮੋ ਗਰੀਬ ਕੀ ਕੋ ਗੁਜਰਾਵੈ ॥ Mo garīb kī ko gujrāvai. I am meek and poor - what chance do I have of being heard there? ਮਜਲਸਿ ਦੂਰਿ ਮਹਲੁ ਕੋ ਪਾਵੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Majlas ḏūr mahal ko pāvai. ||1|| rahā▫o. His Court is so far away; only a rare few attain the Mansion of His Presence. ||1||Pause|| ਤੇਤੀਸ ਕਰੋੜੀ ਹੈ ਖੇਲ ਖਾਨਾ ॥ Ŧeṯīs karoṛī hai kẖel kẖānā. He has 33,000,000 play-houses. ਚਉਰਾਸੀ ਲਖ ਫਿਰੈ ਦਿਵਾਨਾਂ ॥ Cẖa▫urāsī lakẖ firai ḏivānāŉ. His beings wander insanely through 8.4 million incarnations. ਬਾਬਾ ਆਦਮ ਕਉ ਕਿਛੁ ਨਦਰਿ ਦਿਖਾਈ ॥ Bābā āḏam ka▫o kicẖẖ naḏar ḏikẖā▫ī. He bestowed His Grace on Adam, the father of mankind, ਉਨਿ ਭੀ ਭਿਸਤਿ ਘਨੇਰੀ ਪਾਈ ॥੨॥ Un bẖī bẖisaṯ gẖanerī pā▫ī. ||2|| who then lived in paradise for a long time. ||2|| ਦਿਲ ਖਲਹਲੁ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਜਰਦ ਰੂ ਬਾਨੀ ॥ Ḏil kẖalhal jā kai jaraḏ rū bānī. Pale are the faces of those whose hearts are disturbed. ਛੋਡਿ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਰੈ ਸੈਤਾਨੀ ॥ Cẖẖod kaṯeb karai saiṯānī. They have forsaken their Bible, and practice Satanic evil. ਦੁਨੀਆ ਦੋਸੁ ਰੋਸੁ ਹੈ ਲੋਈ ॥ Ḏunī▫ā ḏos ros hai lo▫ī. One who blames the world, and is angry with people, ਅਪਨਾ ਕੀਆ ਪਾਵੈ ਸੋਈ ॥੩॥ Apnā kī▫ā pāvai so▫ī. ||3|| shall receive the fruits of his own actions. ||3|| ਤੁਮ ਦਾਤੇ ਹਮ ਸਦਾ ਭਿਖਾਰੀ ॥ Ŧum ḏāṯe ham saḏā bẖikẖārī. You are the Great Giver, O Lord; I am forever a beggar at Your Door. ਦੇਉ ਜਬਾਬੁ ਹੋਇ ਬਜਗਾਰੀ ॥ Ḏe▫o jabāb ho▫e bajgārī. If I were to deny You, then I would be a wretched sinner. ਦਾਸੁ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਤੇਰੀ ਪਨਹ ਸਮਾਨਾਂ ॥ Ḏās Kabīr ṯerī panah samānāŉ. Slave Kabeer has entered Your Shelter. ਭਿਸਤੁ ਨਜੀਕਿ ਰਾਖੁ ਰਹਮਾਨਾ ॥੪॥੭॥੧੫॥ Bẖisaṯ najīk rākẖ rėhmānā. ||4||7||15|| Keep me near You, O Merciful Lord God - that is heaven for me. ||4||7||15| Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Ang 1161 Guru Nanak is being predicted in Vedas 6000 years ago according to this http://www.earthportals.com/Portal_Messenger/nanak.html Now Question is this if we see the tradation of Sikhism as the oldest tradation in the world before mainstream modern day Sikhism ( ) who calls Khalsa the sanjha dharam of this world Where does Sikhism fit in with Islam? The prophet muhammad is talked about in Sri Dasam Granth http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=135&english=t&id=68437 "Then I created Muhammed, who was made the master of Arabia.26. He started a religion and circumcised all the kings. He caused all to utter his name and did not give True Name of the Lord with firmness to anyone.27. Everyone placed his own interest first and foremost and did not comprehend the Supreme Brahman. When I was busy in the austere devotion, the Lord called me and sent me to this world with the following words.28." "Page 99, Line 1 Many Muhammads had been on the earth. They were born and then died in their own times. 27." "Page 1289, Line 3 Ram, Muhammad, Krishna, Vishnu etc., All were destroyed by this sword of KAL; crores of measures, but without the devotion of One Lord, no one achieved redemption.5.79." If one considers the qur'an to be a revelation of God what does it mean when Prophet muhammad is called the seal of the prophets which most Muslims translate is last final prophet apart from a few who say it means he is the prophet of grace. Islam tells of a messiah, mediah or christ to come a redeemer or saviour which are attributes that belong to the Gurus, What is the connection between the traditions please can I have a peaceful answer not one full of hateful separatist interpretation. And where would Jesus, Jesus, Joseph, Abraham fit in to Sikhism teachings? Bhul Chuk Maaf VJKK VJKFJi Edited June 15, 2010 by sarbatdapala 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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