jvalasingh Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 http://www.manglacharan.com/shaheeds.html Above is the link to a new article which is a question answer session between three of the Punj Pyare and Guru Gobind Singh explaining the nature of Shaheeds from Gurpratap Suraj Prakash Granth. Also there is a small katha audio file explaining how Shaheeds get moksh [liberated] after getting Shaheedi, along with a story from Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 Very beautifully translated however im stil not sure exactly what a Shaheed (apart from someone who dies in battle) is.. Is it akin to jinns and angels from the islamic-christian tradition? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTF Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 Very beautifully translated however im stil not sure exactly what a Shaheed (apart from someone who dies in battle) is.. Is it akin to jinns and angels from the islamic-christian tradition? It actually explains that in the translation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laalsingh Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 ਦਸ ਸਹੰਸ੍ਰ ਸੰਮਤ ਲਗੌ, ਦੇਖੌਂ ਦ੍ਰਿਗ ਲਾਈ ॥੯॥ For 10,00 years I will continue to watch over them. [9] Over 300 are already gone. So what after 10,00? Ain't Guru eternal? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 Thanks for sharing this Jvala Singh. From my reading of this, it is refering to shaheeds, and not shaheed singhs. It seems to me Guru Ji is talking about shaheeds who were already in existence, no doubt later joined by Shaheed Singhs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithar Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 It seems to me Guru Ji is talking about shaheeds who were already in existence, no doubt later joined by Shaheed Singhs. ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 who was the first shaheed mantioned in history from any nation/religion? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 Well as Shaheed is a Parsi word, I would expect it would have been either someone from the Pre-Islamic Persian era or the Islamic Persian Era. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 what about in india or in dharma? who was the first to die for dharma? what do the holy sanskrit texts say? could rakhsas also technically be shaheeds? in which case it could be madhu and ketab? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 (edited) Well as Shaheed is a Parsi word, I would expect it would have been either someone from the Pre-Islamic Persian era or the Islamic Persian Era. I thought it was an Arabic word? Does it not stem from shahadat or 'to witness' for the faith. Edited June 19, 2010 by dalsingh101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithar Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 I always thought that (as per Gurmat) since this universe has been created and destroyed countless times and even in this universe there are many worlds like our own. Couldn't the 96 crore figure mean all those Shaheed Singhs come from various places from all over the universe? I do not think that 96 crore Shaheed Singhs are from this world alone or Islamic or Christian Shaheeds. I believe they are believers in Guru Nanak. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 (edited) Yes I know wiki isn't exactly scholarly but.... In Arabic, a martyr is termed "shahid" (literally, "witness," as in the Greek root of the English word). The word shaheed appears in the Quran in a variety of contexts, including witnessing to righteousness (Quran 2:143), witnessing a financial transaction (Quran 2:282) and being killed, even in an accident as long as it doesn't happen with the intention to commit a sin, when they are believed to remain alive making them witnesses over worldly events without taking part in them anymore (Quran 3:140). The word also appears with these various meanings in the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr Edited June 19, 2010 by dalsingh101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAL 07 Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 SHAH = KING HEED = HAPPINESS THEREFORE SHAHEED IS SOMEBODY WHO OBTAINS ETERNAL HAPPINESS THERE IS NO SUBSTANCE THAT CAN CAUSE HIM DUKH 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 SHAH = KING HEED = HAPPINESS THEREFORE SHAHEED IS SOMEBODY WHO OBTAINS ETERNAL HAPPINESS THERE IS NO SUBSTANCE THAT CAN CAUSE HIM DUKH I'm pretty sure the etymology of this word is Arabic. I think it's meaning later widened under Panjabi-Sikh usage to encompass all who died for a noble cause, hence Bhagat Singh is widely considered a shaheed, despite being accepted as an athiest by many (I'm not even going into that whole argument with Bhai Randhir Singh's writing). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 The hindustani parallel to shaheed is Veergati. Veer is brave gati is awasthaa. Veer gati nu prapat karna. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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