Hurriyat (G) Calls For 'quit J&k'

[kdsingh80]

http://www.countercurrents.org/safvi250610.htm

Hurriyat (G) Calls For 'Quit J&K'

By Syed Ali Safvi

25 June, 2010

Kashmir Times

SRINAGAR, June 24: Sixty four years after Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah gave the call of “Quit Kashmir” against Maharaja Hari Singh, Syed Ali Geelani-led Hurriyat Conference today called for “Quit Jammu Kashmir” campaign, raising the pitch of separatist rhetoric.

Significantly, the “Quit Jammu Kashmir” campaign call came on the day when the foreign secretaries of India and Pakistan were meeting in Islamabad, where Kashmir was the part of their unstructured agenda.

There are speculations as to the response of the other faction of Mirwaiz Umar Farooq-led Hurriyat Conference, who are engaged in a process of reviving the dialogue with New Delhi.

Meanwhile, the Hurriyat Conference (G) today also announced fresh protest programme.

Addressing media persons here, senior Hurriyat Conference (G) leader, Masrat Alam, said that the conglomerate had decided to launch the campaign against the growing atrocities of Indian troops in the state.

He said that to discuss the present situation in the Valley, Majlis-e Shura of Hurriyat Conference (G) had held two days of meetings at the residence of senior Hurriyat leader, Ghulam Nabi Sumji.

“It was decided in the meeting that “Go India Go Back” would be the vial slogan during the entire campaign,” he said, appealing the people of all three regions of the state to come forward and make the “Quit Jammu Kashmir” campaign successful.

Condemning the recent police clampdown on separatist leaders, and slapping of public safety act (PSA) on chairman Hurriyat Conference (G), Syed Ali Geelani, Masrat termed the steps as “part of India’s imperial policy”.

Announcing the Hurriyat Conference (G) fresh protest programme, Masrat called for a complete shutdown tomorrow and urged the people of the valley to visit their respective Martyrs’ graveyards to show solidarity with the “mission of martyrs”.

He also urged people to offer special prayers, seeking freedom from Indian occupation, at all mosques across Kashmir on June 26.

“On June 26, the Kashmiri youths will write “Go India Go Back” on every road, wall, lane, and by-lane in protest against Indian occupation,” he said.

Masrat urged the male students to hold protest demonstrations against Indian occupation on June 28.

“The students should tie a black ribbon around their wrist in protest,” he said, while urging the girl students to hold similar protest demonstrations on June 29.

Masrat asked the people to organize special prayers in all Mosques across the state on June 30.

“People are requested to hoist black flags on all houses, shops, vehicles, and hold anti-India protests in the evening of June 30,” he said.

He also appealed to the women-folk across the state to offer afternoon prayers at Srinagar’s Pather Masjid on July 1, and “pray for the success of the ongoing Movement”.

The senior Hurriyat leader also asked the people to observe Kashmir bandh on July 2 and July 3.

Masrat threatened if the Indian government and its “local agents” do not stop killings of innocent Kashmiris and arrests of separatist leaders, Kashmiris would take to streets and launch massive protest demonstrations.

He said that on July 13, a protest march would be taken from “Mazar-e Shauda” at Naqashband Sahib to Eidgah.

Masrat also asked the people to be mentally prepared for a “fresh, big, and organized programme”.

“People should keep stock of essentials in advance as Hurriyat Conference (G) will announce further programme on July 3,” he said.

Referring to the recommendation of Indian Home Ministry to reject the mercy plea filed by the wife of Parliament attack convict, Afzal Guru, Masrat said that if Guru was sent to gallows it would have serious repercussions in the valley.

“India has forcibly occupied the land of Kashmir since 1947, and it is employing all tactics to strengthen its occupation of the valley,” he said. “The mass killings of Kashmiris by Indian troops have spread terror far and wide, and have created a hostile atmosphere in the entire Valley.”

He said that by killing innocent youths in cold blood, the troops had set another example of genocide “where innocent students are murdered and youths are killed in fake encounters and labeled as militants”.

“Our water bodies are under military occupation, and the energy and revenue generated by them are under the control of New Delhi,” he said.

He said that Hurriyat Conference (G) had not been invited by chairman Hurriyat Conference (M), Mirwaiz Umar Farooq for the all-party meeting.

“Only Geelani sahib was invited in the meeting,” he said.

Masrat also condemned the arrest of senior Hurriyat leaders including Ashraf Sehrai, Ayaz Akbar, Mohammad Yusuf Nadeem, Mohammad Yusuf Mir, Mohammad Moosa, Dr Mohammad Qasim, and others.

[SURYADEV]

What happened to the Sikh ruler of Kashmir and his raj anyway? Iunderstand they were descended from the Dogras but dont read much about them since the end of British Raj.

[chatanga1]

he was not a sikh, but a dogra with the name singh. during independence he was given the choice between india and pakistan by the brits, he went for a third option, that was total independence. The afghans with the support of the pak army invaded kashmir in 1948 and the King shit himself as they took terrority right upto what is now known as LOC - Line of control, and he called india for help, but nehru only would give help if the king signed Kashmir to India, and that is what he did.

you know what is quite ironic? if the pak/afghan combine hadnt taken kashmir, they would have been totally independent now, cos they had like a 90% muslim majority in the whole of kashmir, and without the use of any force would have created another muslim state.

i asked a friend (paki) about how he would feel if kashmir was divided to exclude the non-muslim majority of jammu and have the muslim valley as an independent country. he was dead against it. the whole of kashmir must be ours. I asked him why are you any different from the indians then who keep you with force? you are going to do the same thing with the hindus in jammu. No answer.

[tonyhp32]

The Kashmir issue could have been easily resolved if Nehru and the other leaders had followed the example of Kapurthala State in Punjab. Kapurthala has a Muslim majority (56%) but the ruler was a non-Muslim (Sikh). The ruler opted for India and the Muslims were driven out to make way for the Hindu and Sikh refugees from West Punjab. Similarly had Nehru handled the Dogra ruler correctly then the same situation could have came to pass and the Hindu and Sikh refugees from NWFP and Rawalpindi area could have been settled there. No doubt the Muslim Kashmiris would have been peeved off at losing Kashmir but we don't hear Kapurthala Muslims from Pakistan going on about having lost their lands.

Due to Kapurthala being a Muslim majority state, the Muslim league in their submissions to the boundary commission were asking for the boundary line to be drawn up to the Satluj river. The boundary commission rejected this submission as only the ruler of Kapurthala had the right to decide which state his kingdom would join.

Edited June 29, 2010 by tonyhp32

[chatanga1]

Similarly had Nehru handled the Dogra ruler correctly then the same situation could have came to pass and the Hindu and Sikh refugees from NWFP and Rawalpindi area could have been settled there. No doubt the Muslim Kashmiris would have been peeved off at losing Kashmir but we don't hear Kapurthala Muslims from Pakistan going on about having lost their lands.

nehru couldnt handle the dogra ruler, as both india and pakistan tried to woo him to their side. Remember the brits made no provision for Kashmir to retain a seperate identity, it was to go to either country. The King was able to hold out for a year but seeing the pak/afghan combine make sweeping gains over the north-west of Kashmir, was of the feeling that the whole country would be taken by them. Nehru made him sign accession to india before committing troops.

But i agree with your other view about throwing out the muslims from indian kashmir wholesale to allow the kashmiri hindus and sikhs to settle there.

[Mithar]

The J&K state can be divided into 3 distinct lands.

-Kashmir Valley

-Jammu

-Ladhak

Of the 3 only the Kashmir Valley is Muslim majority, while Jammu is majority Hindu and Ladhak is majority Buddhist. Kashmir Valley itself does not make up more than a quarter of the land mass, maybe even less. If the Indian Government is smart they should separate the 3 distinct territories or else the whole region will always be in danger of being merged into Pakistan.

The Muslims did make a pretty big mistake by trying to take over J&K from the Maharaja. They were the majority anyway and they just had to wait it out for a few more years and take over. Today J&K would have been a second Muslims state in South Asia. But the Pakistani leaders were too greedy and decided to send in Pathan tribals to take over. Nehru on his part was also a fool. He had a powerful army which could have easily taken over all of J&K by beating back the Pathan tribals. But he just left the issue to be decided for a future date. Only time will tell how the Kashmir question will unravel. Whenever the Taliban take over Afghanistan, it's impact will not doubt be felt in Kashmir.

[kdsingh80]

Of the 3 only the Kashmir Valley is Muslim majority, while Jammu is majority Hindu and Ladhak is majority Buddhist. Kashmir Valley itself does not make up more than a quarter of the land mass, maybe even less. If the Indian Government is smart they should separate the 3 distinct territories or else the whole region will always be in danger of being merged into Pakistan.

The regions of kashmir were not separated because then india will surely loose Kashmir valley.Pakistan in present sitution will be very happy if he can even get an inch of Kahsmir.If India had divided these parts then international pressure could had/have force India to give its claim on valley while retaining the the two regions

[Mithar]

The regions of kashmir were not separated because then india will surely loose Kashmir valley.Pakistan in present sitution will be very happy if he can even get an inch of Kahsmir.If India had divided these parts then international pressure could had/have force India to give its claim on valley while retaining the the two regions

As you can see from this map, Kashmir itself is a very small portion of the entire J and K state. It is the only part of the entire region which is Muslim majority. the majority people of Jammu and Ladhak are non Muslims, and have been asking for separation from Kashmir for a long time now. The people of Ladhak have been asking to be formed into a distinct union territory. If the state is not separated into it's 3 distinct parts, then Muslims will take over the entire state if whenever it falls to Pakistan. But if they separate it now, the Muslims will only take the Kashmir valley portion which is a small land mass (not even half a percent of the entire land mass of India). Kashmir itself is a liability to India just as NW frontier is a liability to Pakistan. Both these two countries would be better off if they would be free from their liabilities.

[dalsingh101]

Both these two countries would be better off if they would be free from their liabilities.

So you think that India will eventually have to concede Kashmir to Pak?

The earlier point about the likely Taleban resurgence whenever the US decides to skip is the big one. I mean, if India had to fight Naxalites and Jihadis simultaneously, it could seriously stretch them.

Then again, India could probably still participate in the global market, even with this I imagine.

Edited June 30, 2010 by dalsingh101

[chatanga1]

So you think that India will eventually have to concede Kashmir to Pak?

Then again, India could probably still participate in the global market, even with this I imagine.

india will only concede by force and so far there has been no sign of that happening. the Bjp had called for division of JK along the lines in mithar's post. the kashmiri muslims are very against this.

the only way for kashmir to go to pak is by referenum, and although the UN did call for it, both countries now know it will never take place, as the pre-conditions for the referendum to take place was that Pak withdraw to the borders drwan in 1947. This they will never do either.

this issue is a major drain on indian economy, but then again it was that stupid cow indira who started it all off in 1985.

[kdsingh80]

The people of Ladhak have been asking to be formed into a distinct union territory. If the state is not separated into it's 3 distinct parts, then Muslims will take over the entire state if whenever it falls to Pakistan. But if they separate it now, the Muslims will only take the Kashmir valley portion which is a small land mass (not even half a percent of the entire land mass of India). Kashmir itself is a liability to India just as NW frontier is a liability to Pakistan. Both these two countries would be better off if they would be free from their liabilities.

Yes Kashmir is liability to India and both countries are wasting billions on it.But if Kashmir goes down so does India.Indian army which is losing lots of jawans in Kashmir will loose its entire morale.So many separatists movements will start feeling that the number of days of India is limited and its better if we all ask for separate countries.Communal voilence will spread again like 1947.Every non muslim will start feeling again that muslims have again carved out a separate country again.So there is no way Pakistan can take an inch of Kashmir as long as India is intact

as Indian army is too strong for pak army and now USA even supporting India

[dalsingh101]

this issue is a major drain on indian economy, but then again it was that stupid cow indira who started it all off in 1985.

Fill us in with Indira's role Chatanga. Thing with Pak is that they have a blank cheque from the yanks so it is actually in their interest to keep the pot boiling being the hardcore muftis they are.

as Indian army is too strong for pak army and now USA even supporting India

And I thought China and Rooswalay are supporting Pak in return? Plus what value is this US support, Paks can still send a few guys to walk into a city and spray the place up Mumbai style and India will stand their bent over, grinning and bearing it.

Edited June 30, 2010 by dalsingh101

[kdsingh80]

And I thought China and Rooswalay are supporting Pak in return? Plus what value is this US support, Paks can still send a few guys to walking into a city and spray the place up Mumbai style and Indian will stand their bent over, grinning and bearing it.

What happened during kargil war? Clinton just told Pak respect line of control and war ended.As far sending terrorists are concerned India can hardly do anything as terrorism is global problem.Every other day blasts happen in Pakistan and they themself are madly killing

each other .Pak is a failed nation who is running it

you can't even tell.and the biggest problem is they have nukes.Any mad mullah throwing nukes on India and India will loose millions and millions of people

Edited June 30, 2010 by kdsingh80

[dalsingh101]

Pak is a failed nation who is running it

you can't even tell.and the biggest problem is they have nukes.Any mad mullah throwing nukes on India and India will loose millions and millions of people

What is going to change?

Jihadis aren't going to disappear as a feature of Islamic society. Afghans have a particular love of that style of life (or death). This threat of mullahs getting hold of nukes isn't ever going to go away. What will India do? Live perpetually in fear?

[kdsingh80]

What is going to change?

Jihadis aren't going to disappear as a feature of Islamic society. Afghans have a particular love of that style of life (or death). This threat of mullahs getting hold of nukes isn't ever going to go away. What will India do? Live perpetually in fear?

Wait and watch to see the big boss(USA) to take action as their prime target is america and whites.I am sure USA have the entire information where the nukes are and how to take control of them which India cannot do

[dalsingh101]

Wait and watch to see the big boss(USA) to take action as their prime target is america and whites.I am sure USA have the entire information where the nukes are and how to take control of them which India cannot do

You think Russia and China wont have something say about that?

Anyway, I realise India will never really be a superpower militarily - doesn't have the confidence

[kdsingh80]

You think Russia and China wont have something say about that?

Anyway, I realise India will never really be a superpower militarily - doesn't have the confidence

Russia is a paper tiger now.It needs huge investments

Which are going to come through USA,EUrope and some from India.

China too is very much dependent on FDI from USA economic sanctions by USA could ruin China easily.After all it too has 1.5 billion hungry mouths to feed

And yes India can never be military giant its expenditure on R&d is very low can,t even produce fighter jet And the type of poverty India has I don't think need to think about becoming Military Giant.After all military is the most unproductive in an economy

[dalsingh101]

Well, we now know India has enough food to let it go to rot.

[dalsingh101]

India always seems to try and play the victim these days. Very sad....

[chatanga1]

Fill us in with Indira's role Chatanga.

everything was contained up until 1984 or 1985 i cant remember the exact year, but the indian govt under the order of gandhi hanged maqbool butt ( from the JKLF) over seccessionist charges. his hanging started the militant movement. Then in the same year the thick indians rather than placate the Kashmiris, took away the special status that Kasmir was given in 1948. These included:

A seperate Kashmir Flag

Seperate cricket team for international matches

Separate law-making body for Kashmir

etc

Firstly the JKLF were mainly in control of the movement, but as it grew the Pakistanis started to action their own loyalist groups as JKLF were not in favour of Kashmir going to Pakistan but becoming an independent state. Nowadays the JKLF is virtually non-existant in Pak Kashmir as they threw their leaders in jail because they wouldnt work for the pakistanis.

The very few Kashmiris ive met hate the pakistan state.

Edited July 1, 2010 by chatanga1

[dalsingh101]

I've met some Pak hating Kashmiris as well. But many pro.

The question I'd like answered clearly, is just why did India go 'above and beyond' when dealing with Panjab's issues? I'm sure they are brutal in Kashmir, but the wholesale genocide that took place between 1984 and the early 90s seems unprecedented or ever replicated since.

One thing we have to acknowledge is how much of the bloodshed that took place was between people of the same background. I once had a ragi from backhome tell me straight up, " it isn't Hindus (he used the word lalas) killing Sikhs, it was other Sikhs" (usually those in police uniform).

[chatanga1]

The question I'd like answered clearly, is just why did India go 'above and beyond' when dealing with Panjab's issues?

becasue of the domino effect of one state going.

also the indians didnt wanna lose face with pakistan as they unfairly blamed pak for the khalistan movement.

Plus the strategic position of panjab

the panjab granary

the sikhs in the army

also because they saw it as a chance to reduce the political and fighting power of the sikhs for years to come

to weaken or if poss destroy akali dal.

because they have always feared Sikhs with independent thinking.

these are just some of the reasons.

[kdsingh80]

The question I'd like answered clearly, is just why did India go 'above and beyond' when dealing with Panjab's issues? I'm sure they are brutal in Kashmir, but the wholesale genocide that took place between 1984 and the early 90s seems unprecedented or ever replicated since.

Kahsmiris also blame that India was/is brutal and 90,000 kashmiris died.India is also very brutal n North east.

The other reason dealing with sikhs harshly was we are community with no support in the world.We don't have

billion around population,we don't have support like jews.Even in India apart from Punjab we don't have good population of sikhs in states where we could

influence the result elections like the muslims.

I guess sikh community paid,paying the punjabification

of religion .Had there been serious attempts to spread sikhsim around india and our population could have been 10% then our condition could have been purely different

[dalsingh101]

You guys are right.