chatanga1 Posted October 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 ..but talking of meat doesnt make one less spiritual .. absolutely. the reason i started this topic, was not to debate the stupid argument over whether a sikh can/cant eat meat, but to see if a workable solution to the problem of "Halal only" was possible. Are Sikhs capable of having Jhatka meat introduced in the UK? that is the q? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdsingh80 Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 absolutely. the reason i started this topic, was not to debate the stupid argument over whether a sikh can/cant eat meat, but to see if a workable solution to the problem of "Halal only" was possible. Are Sikhs capable of having Jhatka meat introduced in the UK? that is the q? Veer ji The solution is only possible if Sikh community of UK whole heartidly support this.Even on this thread I don't found much people saying Yes to the Idea 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 (edited) absolutely. the reason i started this topic, was not to debate the stupid argument over whether a sikh can/cant eat meat, but to see if a workable solution to the problem of "Halal only" was possible. Are Sikhs capable of having Jhatka meat introduced in the UK? that is the q? Only way I see it working is if Amritdharis go in livestock farming themselves and supply outlets in Sikh majority areas. 2 questions then. 1) Would any Sikhs do this type of farming? 2) Would enough Sikhs (and non Sikhs even?) patronise the outlets to enable both the farmer and the butcher to earn a living? Edited October 26, 2010 by dalsingh101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSG Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 the reason i started this topic, was not to debate the stupid argument over whether a sikh can/cant eat meat This is a fundamental "must" and not a stupid debate. The result of the so called "stupid debate" would have an impact on whether there should be a jatkha shop . If non-amritdahri ... then does it matter to them where the meat comes from ... i dont think so they will just consume it for the taste and wouldnt careless if its jhatkha , halal , or other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 If non-amritdahri ... then does it matter to them where the meat comes from ... i dont think so they will just consume it for the taste and wouldnt careless if its jhatkha , halal , or other. I don't agree. I've met plenty of sullay so lax they drink and smoke marijuana, but they still wont eat nonHalal. In anycase, I would have thought it is in wider Sikh interest to start demarcating boundaries of the panth. If other religions have certain prominent 'no nos', I would imagine a Sikh equivalent of Muslim pork, nonhalal and booze and the Hindu beef would be tobacco products and halal? Different levels of adherence to the laws of a religions is the common situation across every last faith on the planet. I fail to see how Sikhs will be any different to this general rule? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 If non-amritdahri ... then does it matter to them where the meat comes from ... i dont think so they will just consume it for the taste and wouldnt careless if its jhatkha , halal , or other. Rubbish! I was kesadhari for 17 years before I took amrit, and i would never hesitate to ask any shop/butchers if their meat was halal. On some occasions, it was, and i said thank you and left the premises. Dont jump to conclusions about meat-eaters. That is a very common trait of veggie warriors, to think that just cos we dont beleive in Gurmat as a vaishnav panth, that we must be totally devoid of compassion or even worse morals. Dont make that mistake ever again DSG. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaljug Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Firstly, here is the UK Law on private slaughter of livestock: http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/privatekillguidance2006.pdf The main point to note is that slaughtering livestock in non-licensed premises is not unlawful as long as it is not for sale. It is, however, unlawful to kill livestock in unlicensed premises with the intent to distribute to a third party if the livestock is ovine (sheep), bovine (cow), and caprine (goat). This means that you can slaughter an sheep, goat or cow yourself for your own consumption, but it cannot be shared with others (even if your own family). (Personally, I think this is stupid, and don't see why a group of Singhs should not be able to do the seva of jhatka, gutting and cleaning of the animal and then eat the animal.) You can, however, slaughter chickens, rabbits, farmed game and porcine species (pigs), and share those with a third party member or members of your community as long as you do not sell it. If you want to open a jhatka slaughterhouse, you have to apply for a licence and convince the State Veterinary Service that jhatka is an immediate kill and in accordance with the Welfare of Animals (Slaughter or Killing) 1995 Regulations . I would not be surprised feel if the objections to jtaka slaughterhouses were loudest from our own community though, so the person wanting to open such a business with the intent to do a seva would run the risk of becoming a regular butcher selling to people who do not care where their meat comes from. K. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSG Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Rubbish! I was kesadhari for 17 years before I took amrit, and i would never hesitate to ask any shop/butchers if their meat was halal. Firstly chatanga1 learn to control your writing if someone doesnt agree with you ( what kind of language is Rubbish, just becuase no one agrees with ypur point of view doesnt make it rubbish .... calm down geezer you one is out to get you , iys just a forum ,, with peoples views .... relax ) Well in fact i knew 17 year old who as well who never questioned where the meat came from just bought it and consumed it .. :ooh :ono Dont jump to conclusions about meat-eaters. That is a very common trait of veggie warriors, to think that just cos we dont beleive in Gurmat as a vaishnav panth, that we must be totally devoid of compassion or even worse morals you lost me on that one no relevance whatsoever These are just my views , eat all the meat you want or dont want .... it doesnt matter to me 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 These are just my views , eat all the meat you want or dont want .... it doesnt matter to me No, what you tried to say was that non-amritdharis dont care where their meat comes from. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSG Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 hmmmm , i dont think that question needs answering , deep down you know what i mean 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 hmmmm , i dont think that question needs answering , deep down you know what i mean actually I dont. I just dont automatically assume that veggie Sikhs are anything bad just cos they CHOOSE not to eat meat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Check this place out!!! http://www.cylex-uk.co.uk/company/jhatka-meat-centre-14435826.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Actually I don't think that place exists anymore. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zulu Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 There is actually a meat store which has opened up in Hounslow, selling Jhatka meat. Came across a poster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 most sikh/indian owned meat shops in that area state they are chatka. Though i beleive what they are really refering to is that they are 'non-halal'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSD1 Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Is Jhatka meat an animal that is killed by a Nihang? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Singh Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Jhatka is chatka chatka means push, shove, fast, quick. Some people use the word chatka to describe jats in the act of not thinking things through and acting without thought, diplomacy sometimes out of pure anger. Then others use this to promote jat culture as being one which takes enemy to the end. To be honest it just refers to aspect of an agriculture community being with limited education not realising the importance of thinking things through or using diplomacy to solve tasks. It as become a serious problem people promote being jatt over sikh... take a look at hindu jats that's were people came from some are toothless, alcoholics, in poverty described as a backwards class. If anything Sikhi gave importance to people of all sorts of backgrounds we are doing paap by spreading jaat paat even guru gobind singh forbid amrit and sikhi to the hindu chief kings who wanted to keep the caste they had. If anything those who promote being jatt have brought shame onto the guru ghars by using the diamond of naam like this... Sikhi was meant to spread all around the world not just be limited to one jatt group to rule just the small section of punjab. Today we are our own butchers killing our own sikhi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Singh Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Pretty much all gursikhs are promoting veggeterianism if anyone promotes meat they will not be accepted by many singhs. It is mainly for the punjabi sehajdhari community to push as an alternative to halal, we have a shop in southall you can get people to break off from halal shops and go to them instead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maha Singh Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Chatanga, you dont need a full out system which supplies Chatka meat. If you really want to do it you can do so in your back garden. I would advise you get someone who knows what they are doing when you attempt it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSG Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Let me add this is my view re jatka may be wrong may be right , only wahegur knows , Amritdahri Sikh gets up in the morning has a bath/shower does nit nem goes to the gurudawara does seva helps the needy, community learns bani learns Kirtan THEN he says oooh i need some meat man , let me get jhatka meat hmmmmmmmmm It dont make sense at all , I believe doing nit nem , seva etc.. your mind will automatically tell you , i dont need that stuff , will put you off meat eating We then start comparing ourselves to our Gurus ,( they did that they did this ) which again i think is wrong , we cant even contemplate / compare ourselves to the guru period. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maha Singh Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 That is your own perspecitive, which like you said doesnt make sense. Those of non martial tendencies will never be able to appreciate the place of Jhatka. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zulu Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Here is a picture of the poster I personally think, if you follow that lifestyle ie khastriyi way then yes you would eat jhatka etc, but if you don't then it's really your choice, who are we to criticize a maryada which has been followed by Singhs for centuries? Edited January 27, 2012 by zulu 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Oh when will Sikh fundamentalists stop from pestering us lesser sikhs from eating meat, tying up our dhari and for plucking our eyebrows and not tying 'gurmukhi dastaars'! WIth all the holier than thou finger pointing when do they get the time to do bhajan-bandgi? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSG Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Those of non martial tendencies will never be able to appreciate the place of Jhatka. Beautiful shabad , i think explains it Tu mera rakha sabni thai Ta bho keha kara jiyo You are my Protector at every place then why should I have any fear? Tumari kirpa te tudh pachana Tu meri ot tu hai mera mana By Your Grace, I have realized You. You are my support, You are my honour 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted January 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Oh when will Sikh fundamentalists stop from pestering us lesser sikhs from eating meat,... Hold on! I would say that im a fundamentalist as i bleeive in the fundamentals of Gurmat, but Gurmat only forbids the consumption of halal meat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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