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This matter needs to be discussed, why is it our sangat mainly the youth who are soo paranoid about so called RSS agents...people trying to infiltrate jatha's and so called panthic groups?

I came across this post on sikhsangat - 'Check all of the people who have been involved with him including the people who have had him visit their homes or gurdwaras there you have a massive trail of pro RSS people in the UK

This is another part of the plan to infiltrate and envelope Sikhi into hindusim and we need to stamp it out NOW

Please provide a list of all of the people this Sevadaar is involved with no doubt we will have some people working on the inside with him

I have warned you all before this is just the tip of the iceberg there are many many more trying to infiltrate our panthic organisations

Look out for the ones who do not have at least three generations of Amritdhari or khesdari in your area who the sangat recognises from their families or know their families very well

Organisations like the SGPC are already aware of this hence they screen families for at least three generations before allwing them to stand for SGPC elections and check their family backgrounds

Hence people attacking the SGPC from outside India because it cannot be infiltrated

It is time for us to take our security into our own hands '

This member wrote this regarding Daljit Singh Nirmala who is the pres of Baba Sang gurdwara brum', there was a video of him doing a Havan(lets not get into a debate about Havans!), anyway this member said the above, why are soo many people paranoid?

What makes our dharam so special(not saying it isnt) that someone would try to infiltrate it?

The youth are getting more and more delusional.

Note: this is no way an attack on sikhsangat or the member, I just wish to talk about it

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The roots of this type of mentality was geniune fear and paranoia in the Khalistani days. We know (with hindsight) that many outfits were infiltrated by government plants, so it wasn't an unfounded fear.

Now youth use this language to describe anyone who deviates from their own understanding of what mainstream Sikh politics and maryada should be. They fear such people are placed there to destroy Sikh orthodoxy as they perceive it and merge us back into Hindus.

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a bit like the nazis being paranoid about the jewish conspiracy, pre-ww2?

maybe its just the kids spending too much time on the net with mallable folk who twist and turn things about, and it turns into something completely fantastical.

No, I believe there are Hindus that want to completely merge Sikhi into their scheme of faiths, these kids just see them everywhere.

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I know Dailjit Singh quite well. It's nice there are people like him who do a lot of itehasik research on Sikhee and its thanks to him that Baba Sangh Gurdwara have consistently ensured Mahapursh like Baba Jagjit Singh Harkhowal & others regularly did darshan and were provided for.

i can see the point on both sides. 12yrs ago when i was a kid, i was into khalistan. nowadays i dont hold those views & mix with every1.

there are a large body of people - Hindus and indeed Sikhs who have an agenda of promoting sikhee like buddhism under the heading of sanatan dharma. zulu we've both heard people like Niddar Singh say "i meet with RSS members". this doesn't help the paranoia LoL

on the other hand, there is a lot of commonality between sikh dharma and sanatan dharma & we shouldnt seek to shun this crucial aspect of our faith & history.

p.s. i dont have an ID on that forum anymore as its full of nutters :-D

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That is true. When you move away from the politicised Sikhi as characterised by SS, and delve into scripture more, it takes you away from the looking down on and hating Hindus that many Sikhs practice. We do have a lot in common with advaita vedanta and other bhagti movements, but we also have our own unique characteristics too.

Then this becomes about what choice you make in terms of emphasising the differences, or similarities. It doesn't help when Hindus turn around and say Sikhs are Hindus. But then certain SIkhs don't truthfully face the fact that frequently the writers of our itihaasik granths call us Hindus too.

lol

But any Singh who thinks that undoing your hair and putting a red dot on your forehead isn't going to upset a lot of Sikhs is either majorly dumbass or in denial.

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those all-knowing kids at ss.com are even at it against Swami Parmanand Ji.

The posters on that site are seriously disturbed with their paranoia. All this whipping each other into a frenzy of hatred, fear and loathing is creating a cyber mob-mentality.

Fortunately its only on the forums. I do hope we dont get to see this stuff in our gurdwaras.

Though I've got to say with all this outing and exposing of 'agents' in our midsts by these people, why don't the Govt recruit them to find the Al-Qaeda sleeper cells in the UK cities. They seem to be doing a sterling job of routing out the congressi, rss, fake-babas and flanna-dhemka from within the sikh communitiy. Not long before someone there accuses Sant Jarnail SIngh of being an RSS agent who went rogue.

Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti!!

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Though SS blaming each and every poster as RSS agent is hilarious but on the other hand assimilation of large number of Sikhs into Hinduism is one of the reason they do that.A community find it difficult to accept that its followers are slowly assimilation them into other religion

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Though SS blaming each and every poster as RSS agent is hilarious but on the other hand assimilation of large number of Sikhs into Hinduism is one of the reason they do that.A community find it difficult to accept that its followers are slowly assimilation them into other religion

When has posters labeled every poster as RSS agent? This topic of Daljit Singh Nirmala came up now and the posters are labeling him as RSS because hes bowing down to a woman that is a RSS member. Then you have that fool clarity constantly going on about stuff. If anything your here to throw mud at SS. It's halirious how you lurk in the corners.

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When has posters labeled every poster as RSS agent? This topic of Daljit Singh Nirmala came up now and the posters are labeling him as RSS because hes bowing down to a woman that is a RSS member. Then you have that fool clarity constantly going on about stuff. If anything your here to throw mud at SS. It's halirious how you lurk in the corners.

This is not the first time people complained about being blamed RSS agent.Tell me how many posts it takes if you present your case against Khalistan to be blamed as RSS agent?5-10

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This is not the first time people complained about being blamed RSS agent.Tell me how many posts it takes if you present your case against Khalistan to be blamed as RSS agent?5-10

If you want to talk about attacks, first look at your own hand. How many times has Sikhi been attacked and is still attacked where you are most active, SPN. Fools run that site and SS has to deal with some fools that come from SPN for self interest on to SS. If there is one or two posters that keep yelling the same thing, that don't mean all believe in that. But on SPN all the so called elite idoits agree dishing out an athiest form of Sikhi.

Where is your halirious post about SPN and it's posters. But you don't hestitate to attack SS.

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If you want to talk about attacks, first look at your own hand. How many times has Sikhi been attacked and is still attacked where you are most active, SPN. Fools run that site and SS has to deal with some fools that come from SPN for self interest on to SS. If there is one or two posters that keep yelling the same thing, that don't mean all believe in that. But on SPN all the so called elite idoits agree dishing out an athiest form of Sikhi.

Where is your halirious post about SPN and it's posters. But you don't hestitate to attack SS.

Take a chill and reply after reading my post.I have nothing against SS Presently I am most active on SA .

I am not saying Sikhi is attacked or SS is bad because i don't agree with them .I am just saying that there blaming of many people as RSS agents is hilarious and this is not what i am seeing it now.I joined the site in 2005 and from then on it is like this going on.80% of earlier posters who used to shout with their hearts about Khalistan are no longer active and I am sure 5-6 year from now the present posters will be replaced by new one and this cycle will continue

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I have re-opened this topic to discuss photo journalism done by panthic.org.

I would rather jump off an cliff than having to read panthic.org half baked photo journalism articles...in their eyes- gyani thakur singh ji khalsa is an rss agent, hell if these fascist arrogrant fools were there in dharam yudh morcha with their nikon camera's, they would declared sant jarnail singh khalsa bhindranwale an rss agent to big up supremacy of their own mindset.

All they have to offer is an pictorial journalism and take them out of context and push that as credible source.

EG-

1. I just happen to be walking on a side walk, i get encounter with prostitute, she asks for direction, i treat her as human being and stand still for a moment give her an direction, here comes an arrogrant sevadar of panthic police takes my picture, post it next day in his "panthic" report with full blast mirch masala, oh look at this preacher, makin deal with prostitute..MAHA MANMAT!!!!!!!

2. I just happen to be walking around in streets of india, this rss guy who is very well known in public, ask me for 50 rupee change, i give him change thinking as a favor to an human being instead of looking at his political stance, around this exchange, comes an another arrogrant panthic sevadar of panthic police takes my picture against, post it next day in his "panthic report with full full blast mirch masala, oh look at him, supporting rss fiancially.. MAHA MANMAT.

3. I go to an samagam rehensbhai walking towards darbar, singhani unintentionally drops an receipt who appears as a note, i picked it up thinking its important to give her the receipt back, i say excuse me ji, you dropped this, gave her receipt which appears to be an note, during this exchange, some arrogrant panthic sevadar of panthic police takes a picture during this exchange, post in his "panthic report" with full blast mirch masala /taken fully out of context, oh look at him, harrasing an singhani in rehensbhai giving her note asking her for date. MAHA MANMAT, Obviously when my wife finds out, she picks up an soti and sort me out....

sorry for going off-topic.. just trying to prove a point....

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I understand its a video not a picture...what's a missing is an important part of all this - is context, intentions behind, theological explanation behind all this.

May be tsingh can shed some more light on this matter

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Here is the video of swami parmanand ji on sant kartar singh bhindranwale barsi: http://www.gurmatveechar.com/zenphoto/Katha/Swami_Parmanand/

now taksali singhs must be rss too who invited him in the smaagam..there are many videos of swami parmanand ji with sant jagjit singh ji harkhowale doing kathas together...sant jagjit singh harkhowale must be rss too...hell who isn't rss these days other than very super elite group of so called panthic.org

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