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Pretty pathetic argument really.....

Whose worse at female foeticide.

You can tell people here don't really care about the issue in itself.

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Pretty pathetic argument really.....

Whose worse at female foeticide.

You can tell people here don't really care about the issue in itself.

Veere, the point we are making here is, Sher trying to put us Sikhs down for a crime that his people are even worse at. It's like the pot calling the kettle black except that his community tip the scale of balance on this one. He did the same thing on a number of other issues as well.

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Tony nailed it. The media in Punjab which is largely controlled by the urban Hindus has deliberately created an image of female infanticide as a Sikh problem. But statistics show they are the ones who are the biggest perpetrators of this Maha Paap, they are the ones who started this trend and Sikhs began to copy. Even now it is Sikh singers, Sikh media, Sikh theologians and Sikh social workers who are leading the fight against female infanticide. Unfortunately the huge selective abortion problem amongst the urban Hindus is still keeping Punjab behind the rest of India in the sex ratio statistics. May Vaheguru give some Sumat to the Punjabi Hindus to stop this Paap against their daughters.

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interesting figures. would you please give a source of this research please?

i have 2011 figures in front of me.

http://censusindia.gov.in/2011-prov-results/prov_data_products_punjab.html

They tell a very diff story.

Hoshiarpur, Ropar, jalandhar S Bhagat S Nagar (Nawanshahr) ...all showing very healthy sex ratios while Bhatinda, fatehgarh Sahib, Ludhiana Barnala etc. around 875 :(

As it states in my post, there figures are from the censuses of various years. It's called original research and not the Hindu propaganda that you are sprouting.

The 2011 census is of no use to the debate we are having because it has not published the figures for religion yet. The figures are only available for the censuses prior to 2001. Until those figures are available we can only use the 2001 census to debate the points you raised.

Your argument that Sikhs are the biggest Kurimars in Punjab has been proven false.

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Pretty pathetic argument really.....

Whose worse at female foeticide.

You can tell people here don't really care about the issue in itself.

I am not surprised at your reaction. You like nothing more than trashing Jats and as the Hindu version of you in our friend Sher also like to bash the Jats so you do not like it when statistics are produced which give a lie to your prejudices. Rural Punjab is not dominated by Jats aborting their daughters one second and raping a Dalit girl the next, get over it!

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I am not surprised at your reaction. You like nothing more than trashing Jats and as the Hindu version of you in our friend Sher also like to bash the Jats so you do not like it when statistics are produced which give a lie to your prejudices. Rural Punjab is not dominated by Jats aborting their daughters one second and raping a Dalit girl the next, get over it!

Jat ruled Panjab is still a cesspit that all and sundry are trying to escape.....which says it all.

Plus you are the ignorant peasant version of Sher, who (take note!) also thinks his own community are something special whilst curiously having some sort of deeply ingrained victim complex; both of you personally perfectly incapable of any honest reflection on your own jaats kartootaan to extremes. Truth is that both Panjabi Hindus and Jats behave like low life today - all you and Sher types have left is petty arguments about who is actually lower. Pretty pathetic.

Jats complaining about other people oppressing and playing low life politics is comical and sad to the extreme. You seem to be in some sort of permanent delusion and denial about your own community........just like Sher, who you ironically complain about so much.

You're both opposite sides to the same ugly coin.

Carry on with your babyish arguments.

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while PHs disowned their mother tongue, the radicals in sikhs have disowned the mother herself and chopped her into three pieces for their sectarian agenda.

Which mother you are on about? tongue- language, mother india ?

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while PHs disowned their mother tongue, the radicals in sikhs have disowned the mother herself and chopped her into three pieces for their sectarian agenda.

Turd, there is no difference, but I have to admire you speaking the truth on at least this occasion and admitting that the PH's have disowned their mother, but you must remember that it was this disowning that led to the Mother Panjab being chopped up into 3 pieces, so your 2nd half of the sentence is again, a lie.

Telling the truth twice in a row? Not as of yet by our HP brother. But once is a start!

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Jat ruled Panjab is still a cesspit that all and sundry are trying to escape.....which says it all.

Plus you are the ignorant peasant version of Sher, who (take note!) also thinks his own community are something special whilst curiously having some sort of deeply ingrained victim complex; both of you personally perfectly incapable of any honest reflection on your own jaats kartootaan to extremes. Truth is that both Panjabi Hindus and Jats behave like low life today - all you and Sher types have left is petty arguments about who is actually lower. Pretty pathetic.

Jats complaining about other people oppressing and playing low life politics is comical and sad to the extreme. You seem to be in some sort of permanent delusion and denial about your own community........just like Sher, who you ironically complain about so much.

You're both opposite sides to the same ugly coin.

Carry on with your babyish arguments.

Go back to sleep. You have nothing constructive to write but your own prejudices which have been proven false each and every time. You are becoming a parody. You haven't even been to Punjab at least the Hindu Punjab misnamed as Sher appears to know something about Punjab but fools like you who have never been to Punjab suddenly become experts. The statistics prove that the urban Hindus and the urban Sikhs are the worst offenders for aborting females. As many urban Sikhs are tarkhans then you belong to a community which is the worst kurimars in Punjab.

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Turd, there is no difference, but I have to admire you speaking the truth on at least this occasion and admitting that the PH's have disowned their mother, but you must remember that it was this disowning that led to the Mother Panjab being chopped up into 3 pieces, so your 2nd half of the sentence is again, a lie.

Telling the truth twice in a row? Not as of yet by our HP brother. But once is a start!

yeah, that's the first time I've heard someone blaming the break up of Punjab on the Sikhs. Only a Punjabi Hindoo would come up with something so delusional. Them becoming sellouts by disowning their own mother tongue is the reason why Punjab was broken into 3 parts by the center. How much more butchering of history is this fellow Sher going to do only God knows

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You are the one who is in denial. The Punjabi Suba demand was for Punjabi areas to be separated from Hindu speaking areas and constitute a state where the official language would be Punjabi. How is this demand sectarian? The fact is the if the Hindus had not denied that their mother tongue was Punjabi then the Punjabi Suba would have been a state where the majority albeit a small majority would have been Hindus.

How can you blame the Sikhs when it was the Hindus that ensured that the Punjabi Suba would be a Sikh majority state by turning Punjabi speaking areas into Hindi speaking ones.

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Just because the demand was from the Akalis it meant that it was a sectarian demand! You are following the same faulty logic that the Punjabi Hindus used to try and sabotage the Punjabi Suba demand. It is the same logic that turns a demand for more state powers into a secessionist demand.

When will the Punjabi Hindus learn from their mistakes? Their foolish actions ensured that Punjabi Suba became a Sikh majority state. Their actions against ASR ensured that the demand for Khalistan was raised. Now they welcome the Bhiayafication of Punjab when they will also suffer most from the criminal activities of some of the Bhaiyas.

Your slanted views show why there can be no unity between Sikhs and Punjabi Hindus. You and your ilk celebrate any loss of the Sikhs and sulk when there is any win for the Sikhs.

Why should not the Punjab have a Sikh CM? We are over 60% of the population and democracy ensures that the will of the majority is carried out. At least the Jats have a claim through democracy whereas your Brahmin-Bania are less than 10% of the population and yet have ruled India for the most amount of time. Should you not be protesting this fact?

Why don't you Punjabi Hindus try and become CMs of Himachal and Haryana? Maybe because the Haryanvis and Paharis know what traitors you are and they do not want to place their faith in traitors. It is only the foolish Badal Akalis who are sharing power with the Punjabi Hindu traitors. If they had any sense they would ditch the anti-Sikh Punjabi Hindus and rule on their own.

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Sher being a communalist Hindu, always sees things along casteist lines like his rant against the rural peasantry and more specifically the Jats who now have power due to their large demographic share in Punjab and Haryana. He expects that even in a democacy in a place like Punjab his Manu Casteist hierarchy will be observed where the urban Hindus who even though being a minority should be ruling politically.

Now that His people are enjoying freedom after 1000 years of humiliating slavery, he has all of a sudden become an enemy of the Akal Takht. He has forgotten the history of how a helpless Hindu father once went to the Akal Takht right when Sikh Sardars were about to eat langar and begged them to save his daughter from the Pathan faujdar of Multan who had kidnapped her. Right there and then the Sikh Sardars led by the Bhangi Misl Sardar left their Langar just to save the poor Hindu father's daughter from rape.

That's why I always think Sikhs can always have common political sanj(alliance) with Paharis, Haryanvis, Rajasthanis and even Marathas but not these treacherous Punjabi Hindus who have shown their true colours after 1947. They did not even spare the great Sikh leader Mastar Tara Singh who left no stone unturned to appease the Punjabi Hindus.

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badals or any other akali CANNOT become punjab without the support of BJP. last term they got such mauling but became Punjab CM only because BJP did so well. both communal parties have got the winning formula.

It's interesting to note how badly mauled the BJP was in the recent elections. While Akalis gained even more seats than last time, the congress(Sikh dominated!) lost only a few seats, but the BJP lost almost 1/3 of their seats during the elections.

Even now the BJP of Punjab cannot digest the popularity of Sidhu(who I don't like) the MP of Amritsar. But due to him being a Sikh, the Punjabi Hindu leadership of Punjab BJP is hell bent on removing him from their party. This behavior of the Punjabi Hindus has even puzzled the main body of the BJP leadership in the center which likes Sidhu since Sidhu is the most popular leader the Punjab BJP has. But communalist Punjab Hindus are afriad of letting Punjab BJP being eventually becoming Sikh dominated as the once Hindu dominated Punjab Pradesh Congress has become.

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Go back to sleep. You have nothing constructive to write but your own prejudices which have been proven false each and every time. You are becoming a parody. You haven't even been to Punjab at least the Hindu Punjab misnamed as Sher appears to know something about Punjab but fools like you who have never been to Punjab suddenly become experts. The statistics prove that the urban Hindus and the urban Sikhs are the worst offenders for aborting females. As many urban Sikhs are tarkhans then you belong to a community which is the worst kurimars in Punjab.

All you have is obfuscation, which no one is fooled by.

Everyone can see what the 'modren' Jat has brought to Sikhi: Corrupt politics, sycophancy to goray; alcoholic, barn dance druggism. Then there is childish materialism and weird rural status obsessions. Suicide. Hate filled casteism at village level. Then you send your lowlife here, to work for £40 a day (if lucky!) and backstab each other like ruthless animals so that even Pakis are using and abusing them for pennies and laughing at Sikhs. Do you have a few scum bags living in your garden shed by any chance?

Anyway Tony: You are a dying breed, many hogis growing up today have to face the stark reality that (shock horror!) they aren't part of some special, master race but semi-literate, jumped up, unskilled pendus. Largely unequipped to deal with a rapidly changing environment around them.

Much of negatives of the general state of Panjab and the wider Sikh community today is largely due to the impact of a backward Jat society upon it.

As for those of us that actually want to move forward in the 21st century - we have our work cut out for us; especially with so many backwards fudus within.

Wake up: no one really gives a hoot about your backwards politics; hell, even your English bum-chums have been selling you down the river whilst they smile in your face.

Karma.

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All you have is obfuscation, which no one is fooled by.

Everyone can see what the 'modren' Jat has brought to Sikhi: Corrupt politics, sycophancy to goray; alcoholic, barn dance druggism. Then there is childish materialism and weird rural status obsessions. Suicide. Hate filled casteism at village level. Then you send your lowlife here, to work for £40 a day (if lucky!) and backstab each other like ruthless animals so that even Pakis are using and abusing them for pennies and laughing at Sikhs. Do you have a few scum bags living in your garden shed by any chance?

Anyway Tony: You are a dying breed, many hogis growing up today have to face the stark reality that (shock horror!) they aren't part of some special, master race but semi-literate, jumped up, unskilled pendus. Largely unequipped to deal with a rapidly changing environment around them.

Much of negatives of the general state of Panjab and the wider Sikh community today is largely due to the impact of a backward Jat society upon it.

As for those of us that actually want to move forward in the 21st century - we have our work cut out for us; especially with so many backwards fudus within.

Wake up: no one really gives a hoot about your backwards politics; hell, even your English bum-chums have been selling you down the river whilst they smile in your face.

Karma.

Backstabbing, man your people the Tarkhans are well known for backstabbing. They have virtually made it a virtue. The ones from India are slightly better than the ones for Africa. I can only assume you are one of the duggus from Kenya, the ones who blame everything negative that happens to them on the Jats. A duggu loses out on an overpriced building contract, he blames a Jat because the Jat gave a more competitive quote. A duggu's off licence goes down the pan because a local tesco opens up down the road and he blames his Jat customers and laments why they shop at tescos instead of paying the duggus highly inflated prices.

Ask a Sikh of any background what their experience of Tarkhans are and they will always say it is negative. At least the other Sikhs tend to be straightforward but the duggus will stab even their mother in the back as long as there is a couple of pennies in it. You need to get off you high horse and stop hating on Jats, it's our fault you were born a duggu, get over it and move on.

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Jalandhar press idiots (Mahashas) ran a campaign for Hindi so that there is no division of Punjab.

similarly, Anandpur matta is absolutely sectarian.

This non-division of Panjab would also have meant that the state language would have been Hindi, wouldn't it? So why should Panjabi Sikhs be forced to learn only Hindi, just because the PH's were traitors to their mother language and mother land?

You know what, you have a disgustingly bigoted perspective. you are not able to admit what everyone has been saying for very long

so no different from you and your people?

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You know what, you have a disgustingly bigoted perspective. you are not able to admit what everyone has been saying for very long - Punjabi suba demand was made by communal sikh politicians and once PS was allowed by Indira Gandhi (!!) jats, like Sikhi, usurped power.

You are trying to conceal the sins of the outrageously communal Sikh political leadership backed by religious institutions like Akal Takht and SGPC. even today the sikh bigots are allowed to get away with the murder of human rights (e.g. Dera Sacha Sauda, Noormehliyas, Ravidassiyas..).

As far as Jats are concerned, they are using their numbers but the other communities would definitely call the bluff and make sure Jats share power with the others.

Jatts don't share power.

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Go back to sleep. You have nothing constructive to write but your own prejudices which have been proven false each and every time. You are becoming a parody. You haven't even been to Punjab at least the Hindu Punjab misnamed as Sher appears to know something about Punjab but fools like you who have never been to Punjab suddenly become experts. The statistics prove that the urban Hindus and the urban Sikhs are the worst offenders for aborting females. As many urban Sikhs are tarkhans then you belong to a community which is the worst kurimars in Punjab.

Punjab birth ratio actually improving while haryana still getting worse. Lol never been to Punjab, no wonder I never heard anything positive from you. It's not even 400 pound airfare fam, you spend mote on Internet blabbering away here.

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what non-sense you are talking? when and where did PHs opposed ASR (which is definitely one of the most sectarian document to come out of the sikh factories. One which even does not make any effort to camouflage its bigoted character)? the demand of khalistan was made much before ASR was drafted by a group of frustrated communal Sikhs in 1940.

"Now they welcome the Bhiayafication of Punjab"

Another idiotic generalisation. what is bhaiyaficationof Punjab? whole country, on the other hand, is experiencing Punjabisation. even small time Punjabi entertainers making moolah all over the country ..punjabi food reprsents indian cuisine even in distant shores and this racist scum is shi***g himself over the presence of hardworking migrant labour without whom the Punjabi economy would simply collapse.

Why would i celebrate if Sikhs lose? How they can lose anyway? Are they fighting a battle as Sikhs or competing in Olympics as a country? if Sikhs lose India loses if Indian wins Sikhs win too.

who wants to deny Sikhs an opportunity to become Punjab CM? after all, the PM of India is a Sikh! manmohan singh is completing his 10th year as the PM of the largest democracy in india. but sikhs like you are so mean hearted they wont let other communities have a go at Punjab CM post.

why PH cannot become CM of HP....again, you have no idea what you are talking about as Prem Kumar Dhumal and Shanta Kumar are both Punjabis.

badals or any other akali CANNOT become punjab without the support of BJP. last term they got such mauling but became Punjab CM only because BJP did so well. both communal parties have got the winning formula.

Punjabi food is spread, because while hindus thought about kala pani Sikhs came here and built something with the strength in their doulay. Do you have that?

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It's interesting to note how badly mauled the BJP was in the recent elections. While Akalis gained even more seats than last time, the congress(Sikh dominated!) lost only a few seats, but the BJP lost almost 1/3 of their seats during the elections.

Even now the BJP of Punjab cannot digest the popularity of Sidhu(who I don't like) the MP of Amritsar. But due to him being a Sikh, the Punjabi Hindu leadership of Punjab BJP is hell bent on removing him from their party. This behavior of the Punjabi Hindus has even puzzled the main body of the BJP leadership in the center which likes Sidhu since Sidhu is the most popular leader the Punjab BJP has. But communalist Punjab Hindus are afriad of letting Punjab BJP being eventually becoming Sikh dominated as the once Hindu dominated Punjab Pradesh Congress has become.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QUV9uGfAswg

Because this is what happens. :D Next shiv sena or bajrang dal will be hindu party. :P

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you are trying to imply as if i am against punjabi. another dishonest line from a fanatic who cannot see anything wrong with the bigotry which the sikh politicians/intellectuals have been espousing from 1880s.

You would not admit but the problem is liberals among the sikhs are in microscopic minority. anyone who gives a non-conformist viewpoint is dragged to Akal Takht or physically eliminated.

My people? you got to be mod cut not realise that i am calling the campaigners for Hindi "idiots".

Your intolerance towards Hindi is also a reflection of your unbridled, unashamed bigotry. if tomorrow there is a Hindi book-burning fest, i am pretty sure you would be leading the jatha. what do you want to do with your Granths which are, mostly, in Hindi dialects?

The intellectual bankruptcy of the vast majority of sikh vidhwans, gyanis (!) is also shown through their total abhorrence for one of world's classic languages - Sanskrit. this language is, shall i say, so unlucky that it is hated the most in the same land where it originated (Punjab).

Who cares, we care more about bravery than literacy. That's why we never been slaves

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Ask Ravidassiya Sikhs? They made a new religion just because of the Jat racism and hegemony over the panth.

it could be a coincidence but all of sikh traitors were and are Jats.

They in doaba and are mostly hindu converts. Other two regions have close to none.

All I have to say, is you don't get anything without strength. We have another element across the border, which you don't.

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