The Ringing Sound (Anhad Shabad; Sound Current)

[Mbad]

Bhai Ajit singh has a different style which works for him and the Sangat who feel like they need a harsh reminder to do the amount of simran he suggests to them.

[GurjantGnostic]

On 7/12/2021 at 10:36 AM, Mbad said:

Bhai Ajit singh has a different style which works for him and the Sangat who feel like they need a harsh reminder to do the amount of simran he suggests to them.

Sometimes a Sensei takes over a class and we all have to start doing countless more assertive, more agressive, bokken cuts with louder kiai. It's usually when the Sensei has seen in the Dojo as a whole, or in an individual who has triggered them, a lack of respect and discipline or lack of Bir Ras which they call Damashi. 

[PCSJZ]

On 7/12/2021 at 6:36 PM, Mbad said:

Bhai Ajit singh has a different style which works for him and the Sangat who feel like they need a harsh reminder to do the amount of simran he suggests to them.

Bhai Ajit Singh ji stayed in Moga for quite some time with Bhai Seva Singh ji and learnt the practical from him. The aggressive simran is just baikhri bani. Loud fast simran to wake the mind and get it to listen to our own voice as it has been asleep for the 4 ages.

[Mooorakh]

9 hours ago, PCSJZ said:

Bhai Ajit Singh ji stayed in Moga for quite some time with Bhai Seva Singh ji and learnt the practical from him. The aggressive simran is just baikhri bani. Loud fast simran to wake the mind and get it to listen to our own voice as it has been asleep for the 4 ages.

Yes they call it mann nu maaya vallu kutna.. To beat it away from thoughts... Thas a jugti too

[Kaur10]

On 7/1/2021 at 11:25 PM, Sat1176 said:

That is exactly what he is saying. That is I why I posted it in this thread.

I listened to this audio too.

Tinnitus symptoms are also experienced by people who are alcoholic,  smoke,  far away from any spirituality. I think it is Anhad Naad for naam abyiaasis or spiritual people,  but a medical condition for others.  Because Bhai Simranjit Singh Tohana is a very high level naam abyiyaasi,  he is seeing only the positive side.  

Once i think Krishna told Yudhistra in Mahabharat that you are good that's why you think that the world is good too. When the same world is seen by duryodhan (who is kind of bad person), he sees the negativity and bad points of everyone and thus saying this world is full of bad people. 

Typed above in a bit of rush,  don't know if it make sense.  Bhul chuk maaf!

[paapiman]

8 hours ago, Kaur10 said:

Tinnitus symptoms are also experienced by people who are alcoholic,  smoke,  far away from any spirituality. I think it is Anhad Naad for naam abyiaasis or spiritual people,  but a medical condition for others.  Because Bhai Simranjit Singh Tohana is a very high level naam abyiyaasi,  he is seeing only the positive side.  

Thanks a lot sister for clarifying.

Any person who experiences any sounds in his ears, should definitely go visit the doctor. It may or may not be a spiritual experience. As you said, it could possibly be a medical condition for some.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Mooorakh]

Bhai Sahab ji has clearly clarified that there isn't any such medical condition as tinnitus, it's only an ignorance when those who aren't able to diagnose it- understand it has termed it. 

On 7/16/2021 at 1:28 PM, Kaur10 said:

Tinnitus symptoms are also experienced by people who are alcoholic,  smoke,  far away from any spirituality. I think it is Anhad Naad for naam abyiaasis or spiritual people

Many people have previous janam kamais they don't even know of.  Plus when your mind stops thinking be it under the influence of intoxicants or under the influence of bhakti (remember naam khumari-) you get cut off from the world-  you start hearing Anhad. The purpose is different but path tends to mix and thus the effect is the same -  silence.. 

Bhai sahab clearly mentions in other kathas that bhakti starts at the onset of these sounds... Meaning - Mind- thinking- ego- mai, meri stops.. Silence onsets- Bhakti starts... 

 

[paapiman]

For more details on the medical condition of Tinnitus, please see the thread below.

 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Ragmaala]

@paapiman Have you ever heard the ringing in your ears ?

[Guest Meditator]

I practice shabad surat meditation focusing on anhad dhun.  My focus is strong and I don’t have any thoughts.  But many times I naturally fall asleep as I become “relaxed.” 
How can I remain focused in meditation but not fall asleep?

[Kaur10]

37 minutes ago, Guest Meditator said:

I practice shabad surat meditation focusing on anhad dhun.  My focus is strong and I don’t have any thoughts.  But many times I naturally fall asleep as I become “relaxed.” 
How can I remain focused in meditation but not fall asleep?

Join prabh simran ka chao group by Simranjit Singh tohana. You are doing very well.   search his videos on you tube , he is naam abhiyaasi

[Guest Meditator]

6 hours ago, Kaur10 said:

Join prabh simran ka chao group by Simranjit Singh tohana. You are doing very well.   search his videos on you tube , he is naam abhiyaasi

Thanks for your response - I will do that from now.

Could you or somebody though direct me to a video that will support me by answering my question, or even share strategies on here as I get very frustrated when this happens and know I shouldn’t as it hinders my progress.

[sevak]

On 7/27/2021 at 12:46 PM, Ragmaala said:

@paapiman Have you ever heard the ringing in your ears ?

This is not anhad shabad. Ppl here hearing sound in ears & getting excited.
 

Below excrepts From the Book “Living From Within” - Gurmeet Singh. Can purchase on amazon.ca. PM me if u got Qs.

[Lucky]

On 8/14/2021 at 8:50 AM, sevak said:

This is not anhad shabad. Ppl here hearing sound in ears & getting excited.

Can you explain a little clearly which part you understanding as anhad and what you understanding as not anhad.  There is a lot of confusion and it took a couple of a us a few years understand the origins of different sounds.  

[sevak]

17 hours ago, Lucky said:

Can you explain a little clearly which part you understanding as anhad and what you understanding as not anhad.  There is a lot of confusion and it took a couple of a us a few years understand the origins of different sounds.  

Lot of resources online. Listen to Bhai Vir Singh - AudioBook Gurmukhi Sikhya.

Bhai Sahib says 5 Shabad is listenned to when 5 doot chor are conquerored. He further says Radhoswamis—- everyone is listenning to anhad shabad, not possible. 
These days everyone is claiming that they are listenning to Anhaf Shabad.

He further says that one need not get impatient about listenning Anhad Shabad.

You can evaluate yourself by checking if you still have kaam, krodh, lobh, moh, ahinkaar inside u and judge urself.

[Lucky]

2 hours ago, sevak said:

Lot of resources online. Listen to Bhai Vir Singh - AudioBook Gurmukhi Sikhya.

Bhai Sahib says 5 Shabad is listenned to when 5 doot chor are conquerored. He further says Radhoswamis—- everyone is listenning to anhad shabad, not possible. 
These days everyone is claiming that they are listenning to Anhaf Shabad.

He further says that one need not get impatient about listenning Anhad Shabad.

You can evaluate yourself by checking if you still have kaam, krodh, lobh, moh, ahinkaar inside u and judge urself.

I see where you are coming from paaji. No probs,.. I'm not gonna break your faith but some of us have also been at the same stage you are at. We too were questioning the authenticity of what is shabad, what is dunn, what is naam, anhad, toor, naad and so on..  From my experience you can ONLY learn and understand this part of bhagtee in stages. The stages of your own self-progress.   There is no black or white method of describing it in paragraphs and learning it without self-practice.

Yes, there are many nishanees for different stages of shabad but as far as I know, The 5 dhoot are ONLY left behind when in chautha padh.   However, once you get naam pargat and have crossed the 1st bhavsagar, then you can  be protected/shielded (free from)  low vibration entities of different  kinds, but you will never be free from the 5 dhoot whilst your MANN and atma are in  astool form.  The khel is about the 5 dhoot and your mann constantly. as long as you are having vichaar/furnay/thoughts of any kind, ..then the 5 dhoot are always tagging on.   These are some of the key points that I can give you and I'm stating them with relevance to gurbani. I suggest you have a good read through this thread from the beginning and things will become a little less fuzzy.  

You are questioning these things, and I'm glad. it shows you have the drive. My advice is that you practice simran with faith and don't ignore any sounds you hear. That doesn't mean you follow them or try searching for them. They come in time and if you read back older posts you will see how me and some other seekers found our way through certain sounds we experienced.  Only after you have heard them  will you begin to understand what is true anhad i.e.. when listening in chautha pad avastha(outside of tre-gun maya) and what are pavan shabads. Another thing is , Amrit rass. I remember reading a number of texts and many of them didn't mention the sweet amrit rass or it's stages. Amrit rass is a must and it's the earliest nishanees of you walking the right path. But amrit rass itself has different stages of 'where' you are drinking it from, even though there is only ONE amrit.

I'm not saying I have the right answers, but the little bits I'm telling you have been confirmed with what Bhai Simranjeet Tohana ji and other gurmukhs have stated on many occasions.

Other piece of advise  I can give, is for you not to be trying to jump ahead. All this does is create self-made gyan and more thoughts for the mind. Instead focus with 100% dhyian on the stage you are practicing. Whether that is Saas graas, saas saas or antharghat.  Give it your fullest devotion.

 

Waheguru

Sat kartar

[sevak]

8 hours ago, Lucky said:

Well said

[gsm52]

16 hours ago, Lucky said:

Amrit rass.

Guru pyaario WGJKKWGJKF

Have a question that if this Amrit rass is physical rass in liqued state and tasted by tongue  OR it is (SUKHAM) Atmik rass for sukham body while doing naam abhyaas and mind wondering reduced.

Gur Fateh

[Lucky]

10 minutes ago, gsm52 said:

Guru pyaario WGJKKWGJKF

Have a question that if this Amrit rass is physical rass in liqued state and tasted by tongue  OR it is (SUKHAM) Atmik rass for sukham body while doing naam abhyaas and mind wondering reduced.

Gur Fateh

I think it's both.

In early stages of saas graas, saas saas, say when breathing through mouth, one is able to extract it from the sukham pavan around us.  I should remind you that the amrit rass is everywhere in sukham form, meaning inside and out.  This early stage of tasting amrit rass from the brahm around us is said to be an acknowledgment nishanee from Waheguru.  Many gurmukhs question this sweet taste because they don't feel anand or bliss, and Bhai saab Simranjeet and other bhai saabs have said that you should take it as a positive insignia confirming that the bacha is on the right path. 

The above is just one stage of tasting the sweet nectar. There is a further stage when the amrit can be produced from within and it can be felt dripping at back of tongue. I can go into more detail about this some other time, but this comes from sitting in dhyian with anhad shabad. It is a very concentrated secretion (physical) and a miniscule drop gives an immense taste.(drips from pineal gland) Sometimes called naam rass or har rass since it comes directly from the "hari-mandar' inside you. Lots of gyan and anand will manifest from this naam rass unlike the rass described above.

 

 

[Ragmaala]

2 hours ago, Lucky said:

It is a very concentrated secretion (physical) and a miniscule drop gives an immense taste.(drips from pineal gland)

Please do tell us more whenever you get time veer ji. Is it similar to concept of swanti boond that the babiha waits for ?

[paapiman]

On 8/16/2021 at 6:05 PM, sevak said:

Lot of resources online. Listen to Bhai Vir Singh - AudioBook Gurmukhi Sikhya.

Bhai Sahib says 5 Shabad is listenned to when 5 doot chor are conquerored. He further says Radhoswamis—- everyone is listenning to anhad shabad, not possible. 
These days everyone is claiming that they are listenning to Anhaf Shabad.

He further says that one need not get impatient about listenning Anhad Shabad.

You can evaluate yourself by checking if you still have kaam, krodh, lobh, moh, ahinkaar inside u and judge urself.

Did Bhai saab Bhai Vir Singh jee talk about the 7 stages of Brahamgyan in his works?

The Five Vikars are destroyed by Braham Agan, which is produced inside the body of a Brahamgyani. 

The 4 Vikaars - Lust, Anger, Greed and Attachment are destroyed first. Daas is not sure, at stage are these completely destroyed.

Subtle form of Ego is present in the first 6 stages of Brahamgyan. Ego is completely destroyed in the 7th stage. The person who reaches that stage is known (among Sikhs) as a Gurmukh Brahamgyani.

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

20 hours ago, sevak said:

Well said

Also, did Bhai saab Bhai Vir Singh jee talk about the dripping of a Ras within our bodies?

Daas heard in a katha that Yogis used to elongate their tongues using a medicine and then roll it back inside the mouth (near the throat). A Ras falls (possibly from a gland) in our bodies somewhere, where is just burns out. But Yogis are able to roll back their tongues and able to taste that Ras and enjoy it. This is one type of Joganand, which is different from Brahmanand, which the Gurmukhs are suppose to enjoy.

Have you heard about this?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[sevak]

3 hours ago, paapiman said:

Also, did Bhai saab Bhai Vir Singh jee talk about the dripping of a Ras within our bodies?

Daas heard in a katha that Yogis used to elongate their tongues using a medicine and then roll it back inside the mouth (near the throat). A Ras falls (possibly from a gland) in our bodies somewhere, where is just burns out. But Yogis are able to roll back their tongues and able to taste that Ras and enjoy it. This is one type of Joganand, which is different from Brahmanand, which the Gurmukhs are suppose to enjoy.

Have you heard about this?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

@paapiman I have lots of respect for Bhai Sahib Vir Singh, a sincere jigasu must listen to their audiobooks. He was comtemporary of Baba Nand Singh, born same year as Baba Nand Singh ji. 

No Bhai Sahib did not talk about Ras falling, but did talk about Naam Ras while doing Simran.

The talk regarding Anhad Shabad was with respect to how some ppl who hear some sounds and claim that its Anhad Shabad (Radhoswamis) & How ppl become impatient about Anhad Shabad. Tinnitinus is not Anhad Shabad. 

In my opiniom, Purpose of Gurbani is to change ur mindset. More Nirmal, compassion, humility, Bairaag and prem qualities for your Guru - Kaam, Krodh, Lobh, Moh, Ahinkaar melting away. 

Brig. Partap Singh explains in one video about Baba Nand Singh ji—- When He is from within full manifested intense parkash, yet does not even have a khin(small instance) of maann of that parkaash. Sorry dont remember the exact words. 

 

[sevak]

@Lucky @paapiman Since u have done lots of research on tones. Can u explain why Timnitinus sound in ear changes tone / frequence during meditation concentration.

Was hearing some humming sound from fridge. Then one day put fingers in ear. Could hear bells like the ones at rail road crossing.

Im not too concerned about sounds. Listenning to sounds and lookjng at lights is not my goal. But since u have done scientific research u could tell what it is. 

[paapiman]

1 hour ago, sevak said:

@Lucky @paapiman Since u have done lots of research on tones. Can u explain why Timnitinus sound in ear changes tone / frequence during meditation concentration.

Was hearing some humming sound from fridge. Then one day put fingers in ear. Could hear bells like the ones at rail road crossing.

Im not too concerned about sounds. Listenning to sounds and lookjng at lights is not my goal. But since u have done scientific research u could tell what it is. 

Sorry bro, Daas has not done much research on these inner sounds.

Maybe Sat Paaji can help you.

@Sat1176

 

Bhul chuk maaf