Astral Projection And Astral Travel

[HisServant]

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Has anyone here ever astral travelled through any of the countless heavens/hells many people talk about? I've never gotten anywhere, I've just had one OBE in my room. Is it possible to meet Guru Ji in sargun saroop this way?

[Lucky]

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Has anyone here ever astral travelled through any of the countless heavens/hells many people talk about? I've never gotten anywhere, I've just had one OBE in my room. Is it possible to meet Guru Ji in sargun saroop this way?

It's all in stages depending on each soul development from the little I understand.

No, you can't meet Guruji this way at your own will.

His darshan are all by his gurprashad, kirpa and nadar.

[savinderpalsingh]

so leave all this and do sewa and simran and sangat , and you will gain much more then these puny stages

[HisServant]

It's all in stages depending on each soul development from the little I understand.

No, you can't meet Guruji this way at your own will.

His darshan are all by his gurprashad, kirpa and nadar.

so leave all this and do sewa and simran and sangat , and you will gain much more then these puny stages

Theekah will do

[Truthseeker]

The man or woman with a clouded mind has his inner eyes shut to the Astral World. He sees nothing beyond his physical body. His attention is most of the time on eating unnecessary foods, sleeping long hours, gossiping, back stabbing. These people even claim to pray five times a day and make it a point to visit their temples every week but sadly when they see a women wearing a tight pair of shorts walk pass them...their imagination becomes very creative!

The clouds Harry Seggu refered were actually negative habits or unnecessary habits in us which constantly rule our lives. We become a slave to them and when this happens we end up doing wrong things / habits like going to massage parlors, gambling, buying unnecessary goods, watching and reading porno stuff, and the list goes on. Basically they live in a world of illusion. They think that life only exists on the physical plane.

Going beyond the clouded mind requires no degree from a university but you only require a pure heart and you must keep your attention constantly on your forehead especially the third eye. Your attitude must be free from anger, attachment, vanity, lust and greed (more on that later). Sounds very simple but it will take time to realize that these are the only three words (Purity, Attention & Attitude) that you need to master in order to progress in the spiritual world. My master Raja Guru has told me to practice speaking, listening and talking from my third eye and its the best way to practice meditation when not sitting in silence at home. He even told me once "Don't waste time practicing Kundalini if a man still wants to drink alcohol, gamble or even go to a prostitute." Those words are printed in my heart.

Visions of the Astral Plane can be seen if you practice earnestly what my Guru told above. The Astral Plane is quite similiar to the Physical World but you can travel anywhere there in a fraction of thought / second. The body sits on the bed while your attention is on the forehead. A tunnel with white lights will appear ... I can't tell more and if you wish to know more then go and practice meditation and the clouds that float in your mind that keeps your inner eyes blind shall be blown away.

Its interesting how this post (from 10gateblogspot) refers to thoughts (especially tamo which are darker thoughts: lust, anger, greed pride and attachment) negative habits which prevent us from experiencing the astral world and same is for experiencing God.

Through meditation (simran) we clean our mind from the dirt of such thoughts to experience higher planes through the tenth gate.

For those of you have astral.travelled did u leave through the tenth gate?

[HisServant]

The man or woman with a clouded mind has his inner eyes shut to the Astral World. He sees nothing beyond his physical body. His attention is most of the time on eating unnecessary foods, sleeping long hours, gossiping, back stabbing. These people even claim to pray five times a day and make it a point to visit their temples every week but sadly when they see a women wearing a tight pair of shorts walk pass them...their imagination becomes very creative!

The clouds Harry Seggu refered were actually negative habits or unnecessary habits in us which constantly rule our lives. We become a slave to them and when this happens we end up doing wrong things / habits like going to massage parlors, gambling, buying unnecessary goods, watching and reading porno stuff, and the list goes on. Basically they live in a world of illusion. They think that life only exists on the physical plane.

Going beyond the clouded mind requires no degree from a university but you only require a pure heart and you must keep your attention constantly on your forehead especially the third eye. Your attitude must be free from anger, attachment, vanity, lust and greed (more on that later). Sounds very simple but it will take time to realize that these are the only three words (Purity, Attention & Attitude) that you need to master in order to progress in the spiritual world. My master Raja Guru has told me to practice speaking, listening and talking from my third eye and its the best way to practice meditation when not sitting in silence at home. He even told me once "Don't waste time practicing Kundalini if a man still wants to drink alcohol, gamble or even go to a prostitute." Those words are printed in my heart.

Visions of the Astral Plane can be seen if you practice earnestly what my Guru told above. The Astral Plane is quite similiar to the Physical World but you can travel anywhere there in a fraction of thought / second. The body sits on the bed while your attention is on the forehead. A tunnel with white lights will appear ... I can't tell more and if you wish to know more then go and practice meditation and the clouds that float in your mind that keeps your inner eyes blind shall be blown away.

Its interesting how this post (from 10gateblogspot) refers to thoughts (especially tamo which are darker thoughts: lust, anger, greed pride and attachment) negative habits which prevent us from experiencing the astral world and same is for experiencing God.

Through meditation (simran) we clean our mind from the dirt of such thoughts to experience higher planes through the tenth gate.

For those of you have astral.travelled did u leave through the tenth gate?

What happens to me is I feel myself leaving but then I get scared and go back in. The main reason I've been aiming at astral travel is because where I live there isn't much sangat (I'm too young to drive anywhere where there is sangat) and I want to go to Darbar Sahib (Amritsar) as much as possible, I feel like that would be amazing. The power of the sangat at darbar sahib is amazing.

[chzS1ngh]

What happens to me is I feel myself leaving but then I get scared and go back in. The main reason I've been aiming at astral travel is because where I live there isn't much sangat (I'm too young to drive anywhere where there is sangat) and I want to go to Darbar Sahib (Amritsar) as much as possible, I feel like that would be amazing. The power of the sangat at darbar sahib is amazing.

where are you from?

[HisServant]

I'm from Ontario in a mainly white city, not many Sikhs. Closest area with sangat is about an hour away and I'm not old enough to drive by myself.

[Lunalon]

I dont know why but I always have been interested to astral travel since I've heard about it. I keep on having sleep paralysis now and then, but nothing beyond that.

I have heard that sleep paralysis an lead to an OBE.
Are there any steps to be followed for an obe? I have read some online but they seem to be confusing. Also, as we are discussing astral travel here, I was wondering if there is any correlation between the spiritual path( taught by Gurmat) and astral travel?

[chzS1ngh]

I dont know why but I always have been interested to astral travel since I've heard about it. I keep on having sleep paralysis now and then, but nothing beyond that.

I have heard that sleep paralysis an lead to an OBE.

Are there any steps to be followed for an obe? I have read some online but they seem to be confusing. Also, as we are discussing astral travel here, I was wondering if there is any correlation between the spiritual path( taught by Gurmat) and astral travel?

imagine if you can home your desire/focus/energy/determination for astral travelling to wanting to experience the ultimate truth - Waheguru...

We don't know how many breaths we have left in this precious human birth....what to spend this energy on? just astral travelling or the ultimate?

my advice/opinion....focus on Waheguru and a long the way you may 'naturally' have the opportunity to astral travel but you won't get lost in it all - your focus will still be on Waheguru...so you may get to enjoy all the wonders of his creation whilst still having the focus of your destination

People are wandering lost in this world already...do we really want our main focus to just get mesmerized and lost in another world

jusy my thoughts and nothing more ji...

God Bless

[Singh123456777]

I'm from Ontario in a mainly white city, not many Sikhs. Closest area with sangat is about an hour away and I'm not old enough to drive by myself.

Which city? I live pretty far from Sangat as well.

[BhagatSingh]

imagine if you can home your desire/focus/energy/determination for astral travelling to wanting to experience the ultimate truth - Waheguru...

We don't know how many breaths we have left in this precious human birth....what to spend this energy on? just astral travelling or the ultimate?

my advice/opinion....focus on Waheguru and a long the way you may 'naturally' have the opportunity to astral travel but you won't get lost in it all - your focus will still be on Waheguru...so you may get to enjoy all the wonders of his creation whilst still having the focus of your destination

People are wandering lost in this world already...do we really want our main focus to just get mesmerized and lost in another world

jusy my thoughts and nothing more ji...

God Bless

That's true of any activity. If someone likes to play Tabla, then the practice is going to consume time and energy they could be using to try to experience Waheguru. If someone wants to master in physics they are taking time and energy away from trying to experience Waheguru.

Astral travel is a skill like playing Tabla or mastering physics. And of course, it requires time that you will be taking away from other activities. But if it's something you want to do then you should do it. And of course, if you want to give things up to experience Waheguru that's fine too.

[chzS1ngh]

That's true of any activity. If someone likes to play Tabla, then the practice is going to consume time and energy they could be using to try to experience Waheguru. If someone wants to master in physics they are taking time and energy away from trying to experience Waheguru.

Astral travel is a skill like playing Tabla or mastering physics. And of course, it requires time that you will be taking away from other activities. But if it's something you want to do then you should do it. And of course, if you want to give things up to experience Waheguru that's fine too.

Then one must ask what their priorities are...if they are more interested and focussed in wanting OBE's and Astral travelling than thirst for the ultimate truth then they are probably not ready for the truth...which will come in time...

Astral Travelling is just another desire....the internet is full of people wanting to astral travel to manifest their desires because they cannot manifest them quickly enough here in this world...they want to experience Astral Sex because they are told they can manifest their deepest desires there in an instant...whatever is your mindset you will experience there...

ones state of mind will determine what they see/experience via OBE's and Astral travelling, so in my opinion it is a must to control ones 5 thieves before delving into anything like this...lots of naam simran and daily effort through seva and sharing and truthful community interaction

just my opinion...nothing more..

[BhagatSingh]

Then one must ask what their priorities are...if they are more interested and focussed in wanting OBE's and Astral travelling than thirst for the ultimate truth then they are probably not ready for the truth...which will come in time...

Of course, one must learn to prioritize. But you are creating a false dilemna here. One can seek Waheguru and learn to Astral travel at the same time.

Astral Travelling is just another desire....

Like every other desire. Desire to do maths, to learn to play an instrument, to eat good food, to astral travel, to seek Waheguru.

All of these are desires if Waheguru is Not present in the mind.

the internet is full of people wanting to astral travel to manifest their desires because they cannot manifest them quickly enough here in this world...they want to experience Astral Sex because they are told they can manifest their deepest desires there in an instant...whatever is your mindset you will experience there...

Be careful, you don't want to equate the individual you are speaking with, to the internet. They are not the same thing.

And just because one wants to astral travel doesn't mean they want to have astral sex.

Have you heard of cyber-sex? Cyber-sex is where people have sex online. It is made possible by the internet, through certain online games, forums and chat rooms. You raise this objection to astral sex but here we are on the internet, in a forum, talking about sex. lol

ones state of mind will determine what they see/experience via OBE's and Astral travelling, so in my opinion it is a must to control ones 5 thieves before delving into anything like this...lots of naam simran and daily effort through seva and sharing and truthful community interaction

Self-control does not come easily. It will come with time and practice. However to stop other activities because self-control has not fully developed is a bit absurd. You don't stop practicing an instrument because you haven't developed self-control. You don't drop out of school because you haven't developed self-control.

just my opinion...nothing more..

Same to same

[chzS1ngh]

Bhagat ji,

its all great what you are saying...

but as Gurbani says...we don;t know how long we have in this life. Gurbani says we have spent countless lives already chasing desires...being reborn due to unfulfilled desires.

so tonight when i go to sleep, i know my intention is solely on waking up for Amrit Vela...and doing my Naam Simran (keeping things simple)...i may not live another day...i don;t want my last intentions to be on my desire to experience Astral Travelling...

But thats just me

All other desires you mention...eating good food, playing an instrument...most people do these during the day.

Astral travellers make use of the night, of deep Rem sleep...a tired body and alert soul to induce astral travelling...and this can take up that valuable Amrit Vela of Naam Simran for you never know how many more Amrit Vela's you have at your disposal...before the lights turn out (death)

oh and Astral Sex..is an 'intention' to have Sex...in the Astral Realm...taking your desire for sex from the physical realm to the Astral Real to 'Actually do it'. What we've done here is just mention the topic sex...not actually having any 'intention' of carrying out the act or any form of it such as cyber sex

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Just my current thoughts on the matter...nothing more.

Edited October 6, 2014 by chzS1ngh

[Lunalon]

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Has anyone here ever astral travelled through any of the countless heavens/hells many people talk about? I've never gotten anywhere, I've just had one OBE in my room. Is it possible to meet Guru Ji in sargun saroop this way?

Can you recall how did you actually even have an OBE in your room? Was it day or night?

I want to have one, but I dont go beyond sleep paralysis, or may be because I am scared.

[Lunalon]

imagine if you can home your desire/focus/energy/determination for astral travelling to wanting to experience the ultimate truth - Waheguru...

We don't know how many breaths we have left in this precious human birth....what to spend this energy on? just astral travelling or the ultimate?

my advice/opinion....focus on Waheguru and a long the way you may 'naturally' have the opportunity to astral travel but you won't get lost in it all - your focus will still be on Waheguru...so you may get to enjoy all the wonders of his creation whilst still having the focus of your destination

People are wandering lost in this world already...do we really want our main focus to just get mesmerized and lost in another world

jusy my thoughts and nothing more ji...

God Bless

True you said jee. Hmm, but I am super confused. I am facing some troubles, so I dont know it seems i want to try and experience someting

I have started naam simran lately

[BhagatSingh]

Bhagat ji,

its all great what you are saying...

but as Gurbani says...we don;t know how long we have in this life. Gurbani says we have spent countless lives already chasing desires...being reborn due to unfulfilled desires.

so tonight when i go to sleep, i know my intention is solely on waking up for Amrit Vela...and doing my Naam Simran (keeping things simple)...i may not live another day...i don;t want my last intentions to be on my desire to experience Astral Travelling...

But thats just me

Astral travel can be practiced during the day as well. Many people do it, while taking afternoon naps.

Both God and astral travel can be sought after. We should encourage those people who want to astral travel to pursue such activities. We are here on this earth to express ourselves afterall.

oh and Astral Sex..is an 'intention' to have Sex...in the Astral Realm...taking your desire for sex from the physical realm to the Astral Real to 'Actually do it'. What we've done here is just mention the topic sex...not actually having any 'intention' of carrying out the act or any form of it such as cyber sex

You missed the point. You argument was "We should not astral travel as long as we desire sex". I said it's possible to have sex in a virtual world on the internet, in forums. Would it make sense for anyone to argue "We should not browse the internet as long as we desire sex"? Yet you argued just that while you were on the internet, chatting in a forum.

[chzS1ngh]

Astral travel can be practiced during the day as well. Many people do it, while taking afternoon naps.

Both God and astral travel can be sought after. We should encourage those people who want to astral travel to pursue such activities. We are here on this earth to express ourselves afterall.

You missed the point. You argument was "We should not astral travel as long as we desire sex". I said it's possible to have sex in a virtual world on the internet, in forums. Would it make sense for anyone to argue "We should not browse the internet as long as we desire sex"? Yet you argued just that while you were on the internet, chatting in a forum.

Personally i wouldnt encourage anyone to pursue Astral travelling...i would suggest doing Naam Simran to subdue the 5 thieves in the subconsious mind and as a means to experience Waheguru (which is what Gurbani states over and over and over....and over again )

my argument about desires is of not having control over them...if someone addicted to porn and sex in this world...starts Astral travelling, he takes with him that same mindset to the Astral Realm...so then what will that person be likely to indulge in there? and once they have some 5 thieves inspired action in the astral realm could they also be suscebtible to getting attached to what they see/experience in the Astral real...can greed hit them there? Anger?

Therefore i will never encourage anyone to pursue Astral Travelling as focal point...

Naam Simran - yes! and maybe a long the way you will get to Astral Travel (but having your primary compass firmly poiting to Waheguru)..

or maybe once the 5 thieves are subdued and Waheguru is Experienced...you can enjoy Waheguru's whole creation without getting lost in it and attached to it..

under the guidance of Naam Simran you are putting your whole faith in Waheguru's will and waheguru's Will only...trusting in Him, and surrendring to his Will...you are saying "here i am...please come and take my hand"

Edited October 7, 2014 by chzS1ngh

[chzS1ngh]

True you said jee. Hmm, but I am super confused. I am facing some troubles, so I dont know it seems i want to try and experience someting

I have started naam simran lately

From my very little experience so far...stick with Naam Simran...everything you need to see/experience of Waheguru's creation will be revealed at perfectly the right time for you...when your mind is ready for it....

it will all happen naturally under the guidance of your inner shabad (which is your internal satelite navigation system), it will make sure you bypass all the traffic, road works, dangerous paths, cliffs, and get you to your destination

it will clean your mind and inner body so that you are ready to take the journey ahead with complete concentration and focus and reduce the likelyhood of you wandering around aimlessly and getting distracted over and over like we already do in this world

Just my view based on my little experience on this journey so far....you are obviously free to continue in any way you wish

Edited October 7, 2014 by chzS1ngh

[BhagatSingh]

Personally i wouldnt encourage anyone to pursue Astral travelling...i would suggest doing Naam Simran to subdue the 5 thieves in the subconsious mind and as a means to experience Waheguru (which is what Gurbani states over and over and over....and over again )

my argument about desires is of not having control over them...if someone addicted to porn and sex in this world...starts Astral travelling, he takes with him that same mindset to the Astral Realm...so then what will that person be likely to indulge in there? and once they have some 5 thieves inspired action in the astral realm could they also be suscebtible to getting attached to what they see/experience in the Astral real...can greed hit them there? Anger?

Therefore i will never encourage anyone to pursue Astral Travelling as focal point...

Naam Simran - yes! and maybe a long the way you will get to Astral Travel (but having your primary compass firmly poiting to Waheguru)..

or maybe once the 5 thieves are subdued and Waheguru is Experienced...you can enjoy Waheguru's whole creation without getting lost in it and attached to it..

under the guidance of Naam Simran you are putting your whole faith in Waheguru's will and waheguru's Will only...trusting in Him, and surrendring to his Will...you are saying "here i am...please come and take my hand"

I get what you are saying and I respect your decision. If you want to take the yogic approach of self control more power to you. And more power to anyone else who wants abstain from astral realm.

But when you go from personal to universal, when you say this is what others should do as well. Then you have to give some good reasons why you think they should do it.

Whilst I like and respect what you do, I don't see those reasons working for me or for someone who is interested in astral travel.

"if someone addicted to porn and sex in this world...starts Astral travelling, he takes with him that same mindset to the Astral Realm..so then what will that person be likely to indulge in there?"

They can literally do this anywhere, internet, forums, games, real-life prostituion, mistresses, etc. Astral realm is not special dude.

The desires are the same, the gratification is on the same level. Nothing has changed. Whether its real life or astral realm or virtual reality, it's the same thing.

You are trying to make a special case for astral realm, when it's not special at all. Virtual reality does exist and these things can happen in virtual worlds. People pay for sex in real life, they have a desire and they manifest it via cash. Astral realm is that same for these people. Only the medium has changed.

Meanwhile the rest of us, don't give a shit tbh. We all have sexual desire, anger, greed and so on and so forth. But we don't bother to act them out most of the time. I think you are looking into astral realm way too much.

You seem to have some kind of connection with astral realm from past experiences. You seem to have invested a lot of energy in this area and that's why you consider astral realm to be more special than virtual or physical reality.

Did you have any experiences in astral realm that you want to share? Any experience which signal caution? Any experiences that were lovely?

PS dude you said you did website design in another thread, I wanted to talk to you about that. PM me your stuff, let's get in touch.

[chzS1ngh]

I get what you are saying and I respect your decision. If you want to take the yogic approach of self control more power to you. And more power to anyone else who wants abstain from astral realm.

But when you go from personal to universal, when you say this is what others should do as well. Then you have to give some good reasons why you think they should do it.

Whilst I like and respect what you do, I don't see those reasons working for me or for someone who is interested in astral travel.

"if someone addicted to porn and sex in this world...starts Astral travelling, he takes with him that same mindset to the Astral Realm..so then what will that person be likely to indulge in there?"

They can literally do this anywhere, internet, forums, games, real-life prostituion, mistresses, etc. Astral realm is not special dude.

The desires are the same, the gratification is on the same level. Nothing has changed. Whether its real life or astral realm or virtual reality, it's the same thing.

You are trying to make a special case for astral realm, when it's not special at all. Virtual reality does exist and these things can happen in virtual worlds. People pay for sex in real life, they have a desire and they manifest it via cash. Astral realm is that same for these people. Only the medium has changed.

Meanwhile the rest of us, don't give a shit tbh. We all have sexual desire, anger, greed and so on and so forth. But we don't bother to act them out most of the time. I think you are looking into astral realm way too much.

You seem to have some kind of connection with astral realm from past experiences. You seem to have invested a lot of energy in this area and that's why you consider astral realm to be more special than virtual or physical reality.

Did you have any experiences in astral realm that you want to share? Any experience which signal caution? Any experiences that were lovely?

PS dude you said you did website design in another thread, I wanted to talk to you about that. PM me your stuff, let's get in touch.

my point is only that Gurbani is quite simple...do naam simran and work on the 5 thieves that brew up within us during our life interactions here on earth...all else is of no use whatsoever 'if' our biggest aim is to experience waheguru.

people move homes, towns, cities, countries...and no matter where they go, they take with them the same mindset. which is why i used Astral Sex as an example of people going from one place to another but still controlled by the 5 thieves nothing more

Therefore i can only inspire someone to do Naam Simran in order to experience the 'complete truth' and to help conqueur thier 5 thieves...and not push them into something else when i have no idea of what there mindset is..

Naam Simran will test you (as it has done with me in my short journey so far)...i am very thankful to waheguru that no matter what comes my way, Waheguru is always fixed in mind and taking me where i 'need' to go (surrendiring to HIs Will), rather than my curiosity taking me on fruitless expeditions .

This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Soohee on Pannaa 745

Soohee, Fifth Mehla: dharasan ko lochai sabh koee || Everyone longs for the Blessed Vision of the Lord's Darshan.

poorai bhaag paraapath hoee || rehaao || By perfect destiny, it is obtained. ||Pause||

siaam su(n)dhar thaj needh kio aaee || Forsaking the Beautiful Lord, how can they go to sleep?

mehaa mohanee dhoothaa laaee ||1|| The great enticer Maya has led them down the path of sin. ||1||

praem bishhohaa karath kasaaee || This butcher has separated them from the Beloved Lord. i

niradhai ja(n)th this dhaeiaa n paaee ||2|| This merciless one shows no mercy at all to the poor beings. ||2||

anik janam beetheean bharamaaee || Countless lifetimes have passed away, wandering aimlessly.

ghar vaas n dhaevai dhuthar maaee ||3|| The terrible, treacherous Maya does not even allow them to dwell in their own home. ||3|| i

dhin rain apanaa keeaa paaee || Day and night, they receive the rewards of their own actions.

kis dhos n dheejai kirath bhavaaee ||4|| Don't blame anyone else; your own actions lead you astray. ||4||

sun saajan sa(n)th jan bhaaee || Listen, O Friend, O Saint, O humble Sibling of Destiny:

charan saran naanak gath paaee ||5||34||40|| in the Sanctuary of the Lord's Feet, Nanak has found Salvation. ||5||34||40||

i think this Shabad says it all Ji.

Edited October 9, 2014 by chzS1ngh

[chzS1ngh]

And more power to anyone else who wants abstain from astral realm.

It's not really abstaining away from the Astral Realm or anything else...

it's just submitting to Waheguru Will...and allowing Him to show us what He pleases...rather than us inducing an experience when we have no idea what we are getting ourselves into or whether we are in the right frame of mind for it....it's seeking his guidance and support for the jouney ahead...and that journey mat have you astral travelling...

...but now you have the 'creator' as your travel guide

Edited October 9, 2014 by chzS1ngh

[BhagatSingh]

Chaz

My understanding is that both ways come in handy in different situations.

In some situations I need to push myself into tough situation and learn deal with them.

In other situations I leave it to Hari to prepare me for any upcoming challenges.

I practice both.

[sarabatam]

It's pretty amazing experience..you can astral travel in the room and heal yourself with white light projection. Since Vahiguru expanded / infinite awareness is everywhere including in empty space you can split yourself in form of flow of consciousness.