Women And Lust

[paapiman]

Quote

Infact females have more kaam than men as Farid states: Farida Eh Vis Gandala

Unquote

Bro, can you please elaborate on the above quote? Like, provide us with the arth and uthanka of the above mentioned Gurbani tuk?

Chanakya jee had said that women have eight (8) times more sensual urge than men.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Edited May 6, 2015 by paapiman

[CdnSikhGirl]

Chanakya also said this of women... so I wouldn't pay too much heed regarding what he said about us:

"Untruth fulness, rashness, guile, stupidity, greed, un-cleanliness and cruelty are a woman's seven natural flaws"

According to him, women are unclean, stupid, greedy, deceitful and cruel beings...

[paapiman]

Chanakya jee was a great economist, a wise man, a wild fighter, an able executive, a honest adviser, a diligent planner and a shrewd politician.

I hope, we have a leader like him one day.

Anyways, off-topic. Let's see, what the op (quote) has to say.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

[CdnSikhGirl]

Chanakya jee was a great economist, a wise man, a wild fighter, an able executive, a honest adviser, a diligent planner and a shrewd politician.

I hope, we have a leader like him one day.

Anyways, off-topic. Let's see, what the op (quote) has to say.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

So you believe him then? Answer outright... since you chose to just defend him rather than question the above, do you believe what he said about women? Answer outright please... without skirting the question.

[Ragmaala]

What does it matter who has more lust?

Real question is how much we have ,and what are we doing to get rid of it.

[Ragmaala]

This human body regardless of male or female is disgusting as per Gurbani. This is to break our attachment from the body and look past the outer beauty.

But at the same time Gurbani teaches us that this body is a great vehicle to meet God, so we should make sure it is healthy.

According to me, eh vis gandala, just means a way to break attachment to body.

[paapiman]

This human body regardless of male or female is disgusting as per Gurbani. This is to break our attachment from the body and look past the outer beauty.

But at the same time Gurbani teaches us that this body is a great vehicle to meet God, so we should make sure it is healthy.

According to me, eh vis gandala, just means a way to break attachment to body.

Bro, do you know the uthanka of that shabad?

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

[CdnSikhGirl]

Can someone please tell me the English translation of those 3 words? I cant even find it anywhere... is it in SGGSJ?

[Ragmaala]

ਫਰੀਦਾ ਏ ਵਿਸੁ ਗੰਦਲਾ ਧਰੀਆਂ ਖੰਡੁ ਲਿਵਾੜਿ ॥

Fareedhaa Eae Vis Gandhalaa Dhhareeaaan Khandd Livaarr ||

फरीदा ए विसु गंदला धरीआं खंडु लिवाड़ि ॥

Fareed, these are poisonous sprouts coated with sugar.

58846 ਸਲੋਕ (ਭ. ਫਰੀਦ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੭੯ ਪੰ. ੧੫

Salok Baba Sheikh Farid

ਇਕਿ ਰਾਹੇਦੇ ਰਹਿ ਗਏ ਇਕਿ ਰਾਧੀ ਗਏ ਉਜਾੜਿ ॥੩੭॥

Eik Raahaedhae Rehi Geae Eik Raadhhee Geae Oujaarr ||37||

इकि राहेदे रहि गए इकि राधी गए उजाड़ि ॥३७॥

Some die planting them, and some are ruined, harvesting and enjoying them. ||37||

58847 ਸਲੋਕ (ਭ. ਫਰੀਦ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੭੯ ਪੰ. ੧੬

Salok Baba Sheikh Farid

Edited May 8, 2015 by Ragmaala

[paapiman]

So you believe him then? Answer outright... since you chose to just defend him rather than question the above, do you believe what he said about women? Answer outright please... without skirting the question.

I will answer later.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

[Ragmaala]

ਫਰੀਦਾ ਏ ਵਿਸੁ ਗੰਦਲਾ ਧਰੀਆਂ ਖੰਡੁ ਲਿਵਾੜਿ ॥

फरीदा ए विसु गंदला धरीआं खंडु लिवाड़ि ॥

Farīḏā e vis ganḏlā ḏẖarī▫āʼn kẖand livāṛ.

Farid! These pleasures are the poisonous sprouts, coated with sugar.

ਏ = ਇਹ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਦੇ ਪਦਾਰਥ। ਵਿਸੁ = ਜ਼ਹਿਰ। ਖੰਡੁ ਲਿਵਾੜਿ = ਖੰਡ ਨਾਲ ਗਲੇਫ਼ ਕੇ।

ਹੇ ਫਰੀਦ! ਇਹ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਦੇ ਪਦਾਰਥ (ਮਾਨੋ) ਜ਼ਹਿਰ-ਭਰੀਆਂ ਗੰਦਲਾਂ ਹਨ, ਜੋ ਖੰਡ ਨਾਲ ਗਲੇਫ਼ ਰੱਖੀਆਂ ਹਨ।

ਇਕਿ ਰਾਹੇਦੇ ਰਹਿ ਗਏ ਇਕਿ ਰਾਧੀ ਗਏ ਉਜਾੜਿ ॥੩੭॥

इकि राहेदे रहि गए इकि राधी गए उजाड़ि ॥३७॥

Ik rāheḏe rėh ga▫e ik rāḏẖī ga▫e ujāṛ. ||37||

Some die sowing sins and some are ruined, reaping and enjoying them.

ਇਕਿ = ਕਈ ਜੀਵ। ਰਾਹੇਦੇ = ਬੀਜਦੇ। ਰਹਿ ਗਏ = ਥੱਕ ਗਏ, ਮੁੱਕ ਗਏ, ਮਰ ਗਏ। ਰਾਧੀ = ਬੀਜੀ ਹੋਈ। ਉਜਾੜਿ = ਉਜਾੜ ਕੇ, ਨਿਖਸਮੀ ਛੱਡ ਕੇ ॥੩੭॥

ਇਹਨਾਂ ਗੰਦਲਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਕਈ ਬੀਜਦੇ ਹੀ ਮਰ ਗਏ ਤੇ, ਬੀਜੀਆਂ ਨੂੰ (ਵਿਚੇ ਹੀ) ਛੱਡ ਗਏ ॥੩੭॥

Edited May 8, 2015 by Ragmaala

[Ragmaala]

Faridkot Wala Teeka:

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਫਰੀਦ ਜੀ ਕਹਿਤੇ ਹੈਂ ਇਹ ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀਆਂ ਜ਼ੈਹਰ ਕੀਆਂ ਗੰਦਲਾਂ ਹੈਂ ਉਪਰ ਸੇ ਬਸਤ੍ਰ ਭੂਖਣ ਆਦੀ ਖੰਡ ਕੇ ਸਾਥ (ਲਿਵਾੜ) ਲਪੇਟ ਧਰੀਆਂ ਹੈਂ॥

ਏਕ ਤੌ ਬੀਚ ਤੇ ਹੀ ਰਹਿ ਗਏ ਹੈਂ ਭਾਵ ਮੰਗੇਵਾ ਕਰਤੇ ਹੀ ਤਿਆਗ ਕਰ ਚਲੇ ਗਏ ਹੈਂ ਔਰ ਏਕ ਵਈਰਾਗਵਾਨ ਵਿਵਾਹੀਆਂ ਕੋ ਉਜਾੜ ਕਰਕੇ ਚਲੇ ਗਏ ਹੈਂ ਭਾਵ ਵਿਰਕਤ ਹੂਏ ਹੈਂ॥੩੭॥

[Ragmaala]

Can someone please tell me the English translation of those 3 words? I cant even find it anywhere... is it in SGGSJ?

literal meaning: these poisonous sprouts

The message, acc. to my interpretation, is that indulging in lustful pleasures is like eating poisonous sprouts coated with sugar.

I also have provided other translations from Prof. Sahib Singh & Faridkot Wala Teeka. In my current existential reality I could care less who has more lust, male or female, I just have to worry about myself first.

WJKK WJKF

Edited May 8, 2015 by Ragmaala

[CdnSikhGirl]

One would think the womanizer would actually be the poison coated with sugar... LOL.

[Ragmaala]

Edit.

Edited May 8, 2015 by Ragmaala

[Lucky]

Simple message is that "The body that enjoys these bodily pleasures will die"

The pleasures of love that you can have for the lord, are eternal.

[Lucky]

It actually doesn't mean womaniser ?

It's because the message is as if, God is telling Farid about the body pleasures....but the message has NO differentiation between Man's or Women's pleasures !

Can paapiman actually think for himself, or does he have to rely on what someone else has written ?

Isn't that called 'blind faith' ?

Edited May 8, 2015 by Lucky

[harsharan000]

Before classifying women or men as kaamees, we should be aware that the bodies of both genders are insentient, as they are made out of the 5 perishable tatwas .

There is a higher power, who does everything in those bodies, and that power is none other than the paapee"man" or mind.

Kaam is one of the 5 vaasnas or vices of this mind, who uses them as his servants to fulfill the task given to him by the Univerasl mind, which is of keeping the soul entangled in this Mayavee Maha Bhavsagar, by incurring forcefully in karmas. This creation is made in such a way, that it is almost impossible to not commit any karmas, whether bad or good.

Bad karmas are like irion chains around our necks, and good karmas are like golden chains around our necks also, we can not be free from them.

So it is the mind in both the genders, who seeks pleasures and tries to satisfy them. The womanizer has the filthy mind in him, which makes him see women with lustful looks...not that the women are lustful, maybe she is at sometimes...but it is the mind in the womanizer, which makes him feel that hunger of lust, and makes him run to satisfy that hunger by any means.

For example, a saint also has mind, but when he looks at a woman, as his mind is subdued and literally clean by the power of Naam, He sees the Jot of Wahiguru not only in women, but in all beings, so he looks with the glance of Daya and Meher, as these qualities are the very essence of Wahiguru, thus he having manifested Wahiguru within, his whole being radiates these virtues of Wahiguru.

It is the mind, which is lustful, which is egoistic, which is greedy, which is envy, which is "krodhee" and full of moh.

The mind is stained with all this filth.

The Bani says: Nimakh nimakh kar sareer kataveh, tou bhee haume mael na jaaveh.

On the contrary, the Bani fully instructs us, that the only infallible way of cleaning all this filth from our minds, is by making our minds drink the Amrit of Nam, through its simran.

Wahiguru is all powerful, only He and the Gurmukhs are beyond the tentacles of maya, mind, and vikaars ...

So in order to overcome all this negative effects of the mind on us, we have to do pargat Wahiguru within us by His grace.

The Bani says: Har simran meh Prabh aap Nirankara.

Doing His Simran is not a small thing, He has Himself hidden in it, so naturally when we meditate on Him, He unfolds Himself in us.

This is the jugtee put into practice by all Saints and Gurmukhs of all times, it is safe, effective and universal, means anybody can profit by it, there are no copyrights on it, rather it is blessing upon us by Akal Purukh.

Sat Sree Akal.

Edited May 9, 2015 by harsharan000

[Ragmaala]

^ on spot.

[CdnSikhGirl]

For example, a saint also has mind, but when he looks at a woman, as his mind is subdued and literally clean by the power of Naam, He sees the Jot of Wahiguru not only in women but in all beings, so he looks with the glance of Daya and Meher, as these qualities are the very essence of Wahiguru, thus he having manifested Wahiguru within, his whole being radiates these virtues of Wahiguru.

^^^ THIS!!!!

Edited May 9, 2015 by Satkirin_Kaur

[paapiman]

There is scientific evidence available that women are more sensual than men.

http://www.sunny99.com/articles/texas-news-489524/woman-are-more-sensual-than-men-13472823/

Let's give a chance to the op (quote) to reply.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

[Lucky]

There is scientific evidence available that women are more sensual than men.

http://www.sunny99.com/articles/texas-news-489524/woman-are-more-sensual-than-men-13472823/

Let's give a chance to the op (quote) to reply.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

What does this scientific evidence show??

That women have more neurons and receptors for taste, smell, sound , vision and touch.............But what does this have to do with Lust/Kaam ?

you thinking about erogenous zones ??

It's us men that get attacked by the dhut of kaam with our unexpected risings of genitalia in the early hours of mornings!.

I know that women don't wake up with auto stimulated genitalia every 6am! ......lol..

Many of us have no idea what you are trying to prove paapiman....

Edited May 9, 2015 by Lucky

[paapiman]

What does this scientific evidence show??

That women have more neurons and receptors for taste, smell, sound , vision and touch.............But what does this have to do with Lust/Kaam ?

you thinking about erogenous zones ??

Bro, I don't think I need to be explicit when I explain certain topics. It is cyber sangat over here. We need to be very careful in what we say here. How can a person enjoy sex without senses?

Many of us have no idea what you are trying to prove paapiman....

How about, we give a chance to the op to reply? Please.........

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Edited May 9, 2015 by paapiman

[harsharan000]

Continuing with the topic of this thread, I remember an article which I read it quite a long long time .

Once, when swami Vivekananda went to the States to give some discourses, after the end one of those, a woman came to him attracted by his personality, and told him, that he being such a high being, that she wanted to marry him and get a child like him from him...

Naturally, Vivekananda being a high evolved soul, told her that, there was no gurantee that getting a child from him would ceratinly be spiritually like him in anyway.

But yes, there was another valid option left for her. He said, but if you make me your son, that your wish will be definetely fulfilled ...

From this we can see, how these higher souls handle situations like these above, where an ordinary person can fall prey to lust, but they remain unattached at all times and places...because they are now attached to the divine power within, which purifies the mind to such an extent, that they are above all Maya and her servants (vaasnas, trishnaas...).

Sat Sree Akal

[CdnSikhGirl]

Lucky, if you look at all of Paapimans posts on this forum it's very obvious what he's trying to prove about women vs men.