Types of Dand (Punishment)

[paapiman]

Can someone please provide any information about the different types of Dand (ਢੰਢ)?

Two types that I know are Pitar Dand and Dev Dand, but I don't know, what they are.

Thanks

Bhul chuk maaf

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

[Mekhane'ch Jannat]

Dhan Guru Nanak Ji,

There is Pitr Dand, Daivik Dand and Rishi Dand.

The meaning of dand is to punish or reprimand, normally for transgressing a law. Dand also means rod, which can symbolise power and sovereignty as a staff or sceptre - that can be used to mete out punishments. The three punishments above, may refer to three innate (not man made) laws in the universe that when opposed or flaunted will cause a 'danda' to fall on the transgressor's head. I believe they are related to the three Rna's(debts) of the same name. The first debt is to the ancestors. To fulfill this debt you must continue the family lineage - procreate, if you do not have children Pitr dand will be visited upon you and you will become dried up and miserable. The next debt is to nature or the earth we live on. If we do not live frugally, consume more than we need or hoard wealth and abuse our Mother Earth the Daivik Dand will occur. Which would be natural disasters, illness and disease in the body. Rishi Rna is the obligation we owe to our teachers, of whatever Dharam, if we do not follow the wise teachings of the enlightened Saints our buddhi/understanding will become diseased - Rishi Danda and as they say; Vinash Kale Vipreet Buddhi.

On a more intrinsic level all mental actions that are incorrect and against harmonious relations become the seeds of Rishi dand.

All emotional feelings that are incorrect cause Pitr dand.

And incorrect bodily acts cause Daivik dand.

If you really want to go deep into it we could link in Karma theory and how some forms of Dand are instantaneous or delayed akin to Sanchita, Prarabdha and Vartmaan karams. We could also find a way to destroy the seeds of future dand by doing appropriate actions now. Collectively amd individually.

So danda is the inevitable result of transgressing a law in the Universe, it is impersonal (hand in fire=burn) and unseen. But strictly speaking the Law is not transgressed only an effect follows from a cause, it can be experienced as being transgressed if a person accepts that he must self develop: then, certain actions set up causes and effects that are harmful for self development. 

[harsharan000]

Brother,

dhand in simple words,is being away from Wahiguru.

Cause being away from Him, means being in the Chaurasee Ka Chakar, being in any joonee. Be it tree, insect, reptile, fish, mamaals, man, or even in any celestial paradises.

You see, to be away from one´s True House(Sach Khand), True Father(Wahiguru Akal Purukh), is a punishment by itself.

And He is not to be blamed, it is all our fault.

He tells us only one thing throughout the whole Bani, to free ourselves from the creation where Maya and Kal have spread their tentacles, in which all of us are imprisoned mercilessly, and that one thing is:

Ik Oankar, Satgur Parsad, Jap.

Saas Saas simroh Gobind.

Prabh ka Simran, sabh tay oochaa.

So let us sincerely ask ourselves, do we really do what our Guru Sahibans tell us in the sacred, pure and paviter Bani?       

Or do we do many other things according to our beliefs, and mental state ....

Then dear sangat jee, how can we ever blame our beloved Wahiguru?   

It is we who are mugadhs, moorakhs, for not following Gurmat.  You see, the Bani is so perfect, that even if we follow it without understanding it properly, but faithfully, it will do us the same good effect within us, because, the Bani is not man made, but are direct instructions from Wahiguru Akal Purukh, for our true benefit, of cutting our heavy chains from this world and its objects, and at the same time, tying ourselves with Him, through His Naam.

Sikhee is the most simple and direct path to Wahiguru, but alas we ignorants have politizied it, and added ritulas and dogmas, and a big list of additives just as in the other religions, thus we have thrown away the essence, the primal Truth of Sikhee away from our sight, and if by chance anyone dares to talk about it as it is, in simple words, that person becomes suspicious in our eyes as an antisikh, and thus we make mockery of that person, or ridculize him.

But nevertheless, it is by His Grace, His Hukum, that Gurmukhs keep coming and dwell among us, to just remind us of our true spiritual nature, and the simple way to apply it in this very human life and fulfill the objective of human birth, and that is to merge, our tiny jot of our souls, in the Aad Jot of Akal Purukh, through the support of His Naam alone,  and not by any other method.

Sat Sree Akal.

 

Edited June 15, 2015 by harsharan000

[Koi]

What about Raaj Dand? 

[paapiman]

Dhan Guru Nanak Ji,

There is Pitr Dand, Daivik Dand and Rishi Dand.

The meaning of dand is to punish or reprimand, normally for transgressing a law. Dand also means rod, which can symbolise power and sovereignty as a staff or sceptre - that can be used to mete out punishments. The three punishments above, may refer to three innate (not man made) laws in the universe that when opposed or flaunted will cause a 'danda' to fall on the transgressor's head. I believe they are related to the three Rna's(debts) of the same name. The first debt is to the ancestors. To fulfill this debt you must continue the family lineage - procreate, if you do not have children Pitr dand will be visited upon you and you will become dried up and miserable. The next debt is to nature or the earth we live on. If we do not live frugally, consume more than we need or hoard wealth and abuse our Mother Earth the Daivik Dand will occur. Which would be natural disasters, illness and disease in the body. Rishi Rna is the obligation we owe to our teachers, of whatever Dharam, if we do not follow the wise teachings of the enlightened Saints our buddhi/understanding will become diseased - Rishi Danda and as they say; Vinash Kale Vipreet Buddhi.

On a more intrinsic level all mental actions that are incorrect and against harmonious relations become the seeds of Rishi dand.

All emotional feelings that are incorrect cause Pitr dand.

And incorrect bodily acts cause Daivik dand.

If you really want to go deep into it we could link in Karma theory and how some forms of Dand are instantaneous or delayed akin to Sanchita, Prarabdha and Vartmaan karams. We could also find a way to destroy the seeds of future dand by doing appropriate actions now. Collectively amd individually.

So danda is the inevitable result of transgressing a law in the Universe, it is impersonal (hand in fire=burn) and unseen. But strictly speaking the Law is not transgressed only an effect follows from a cause, it can be experienced as being transgressed if a person accepts that he must self develop: then, certain actions set up causes and effects that are harmful for self development. 

​Bro, what about Raaj dand and Dev dand? Do they exist too?

Bhul chuk maaf

[Mekhane'ch Jannat]

Dhan Guru Nanak Ji

The word Daivik means from or of the Devas, it was believed that certain Devas influenced the destiny of Humans and through this influence the fate of a person was determined. So the word Daiva came to mean 'fate'. Thus Daivik dand came to mean general 'fate' and accidents of nature and negative social effects. This would include Raaj dand which is any punishment by the state/government for example a court case. Any external authority imposing restriction/anxiety upon an individual falls under Daivik dand, Pitr dand is more in the past i.e. inherited traits and Rishi dand in the future. Pitri dand is not just about procreation but also it is your inherited qualities and bodily form, if your ancestors misbehaved the punishment will be visited upon you: their progeny, this is another meaning of Pitri dand. Rishi dand is also related to Bhagti and Naam Jaap, in the 'future' a person who did not put effort into Bhagti will suffer from Rishi dand. Pitri and Rishi dand are unseen/atemporal forms of punishment whereas Daivik dand is seen/temporal punishment. Daivik dand can be financial difficulties, court cases, disrespect, depression, loneliness, oppression, war, starvation, natural disasters, seperation of loved ones etc. Rishi or Pitri punishments are different to the above class. For example through Pitri dand you may have a bent leg even though you may have honor in the world and much money but you still are stuck with having a bent leg.

Dev dand does not exist as Devas are beneficent Beings and help Humans. What Dev dand refers to is imaginary gods that people started praying to and through force of habit created an independent thoughtform. The Brahmins started this trick of praying and worshiping imaginary gods, they made people do convoluted poojas to make money from them and when they did not do the pooja in a correct way the brahmins said that such a person would get dev dand.

Dhan Guru Nanak Ji

[paapiman]

Dhan Guru Nanak Ji

The word Daivik means from or of the Devas, it was believed that certain Devas influenced the destiny of Humans and through this influence the fate of a person was determined. So the word Daiva came to mean 'fate'. Thus Daivik dand came to mean general 'fate' and accidents of nature and negative social effects. This would include Raaj dand which is any punishment by the state/government for example a court case. Any external authority imposing restriction/anxiety upon an individual falls under Daivik dand, Pitr dand is more in the past i.e. inherited traits and Rishi dand in the future. Pitri dand is not just about procreation but also it is your inherited qualities and bodily form, if your ancestors misbehaved the punishment will be visited upon you: their progeny, this is another meaning of Pitri dand. Rishi dand is also related to Bhagti and Naam Jaap, in the 'future' a person who did not put effort into Bhagti will suffer from Rishi dand. Pitri and Rishi dand are unseen/atemporal forms of punishment whereas Daivik dand is seen/temporal punishment. Daivik dand can be financial difficulties, court cases, disrespect, depression, loneliness, oppression, war, starvation, natural disasters, seperation of loved ones etc. Rishi or Pitri punishments are different to the above class. For example through Pitri dand you may have a bent leg even though you may have honor in the world and much money but you still are stuck with having a bent leg.

Dev dand does not exist as Devas are beneficent Beings and help Humans. What Dev dand refers to is imaginary gods that people started praying to and through force of habit created an independent thoughtform. The Brahmins started this trick of praying and worshiping imaginary gods, they made people do convoluted poojas to make money from them and when they did not do the pooja in a correct way the brahmins said that such a person would get dev dand.

Dhan Guru Nanak Ji

​Dhanvaad Khalsa jee.

Dhan Guru Nanak.......tu heen Nirankaar

[paapiman]

5 types of Dand:

- Dev Dand

- Raaj Dand

- Rishi Dand

- Pitar Dand

- Jam Dand

Bhul chuk maaf

[Premi]

Bump

[Laal Singh]

As years go by, it is becoming evident that there is no paap, punn, good deed, bad deed. All in One, One in All. Everybody is God, God is everybody. A beautiful tamasha going on.

[Premi]

5 hours ago, Laal Singh said:

As years go by, it is becoming evident that there is no paap, punn, good deed, bad deed. All in One, One in All. Everybody is God, God is everybody. A beautiful tamasha going on.

Agree most of what you say, but Why does Gurbani talk of Punn and Paap then Veer Ji? 

[GurjantGnostic]

14 hours ago, Laal Singh said:

As years go by, it is becoming evident that there is no paap, punn, good deed, bad deed. All in One, One in All. Everybody is God, God is everybody. A beautiful tamasha going on.

Pedos?

[SinghSingh]

On 7/29/2023 at 6:17 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

Pedos?

True bro

[GurjantGnostic]

On 9/15/2023 at 8:00 PM, SinghSingh said:

True bro, And just to let you know that your buddy Seamus has been completely taken out of action

Mmm? Where?

[GurjantGnostic]

I think 8 outta 10 O y'all are going into dukhi for casteism and racism....

[Laal Singh]

On 7/29/2023 at 1:17 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

Pedos?

What does that mean?

 

[Laal Singh]

On 7/29/2023 at 4:21 AM, Premi said:

Agree most of what you say, but Why does Gurbani talk of Punn and Paap then Veer Ji? 

Everything happens as per His plan.

Within this grand plan, on a temporal level, we get advice from the Guru about right and wrong to help us make decisions.

But does this mean that people who don't know any better are going against His plan?

NO, not in the overall scheme of things, but YES, according to temporal religious and spiritual rules.

 

[GurjantGnostic]

On 12/3/2023 at 6:16 PM, Laal Singh said:

What does that mean?

 

Pedophiles 

[Soulfinder]

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Pedophiles 

Those people make me sick to my stomach 

[GurjantGnostic]

6 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

Those people make me sick to my stomach 

Facts. Need mercy Jhatka.