jjj Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 In the rehat maryada one must wake up 3 hours before dawn and recite "Waheguru" (concentrate one thought on God). The rehat maryada doesnt say anything about reciting the 5 banis before sunrise, is it okay to recite them early morning ... like before it gets to noon. Thats what someone told me. Best thing I know of is not to sleep at night. Spend the night doing naam abhiyaas and then at 5 or 6 do your 5 bani recitation and then sleep for some 6-7 hours to catch up with the sleep. Night is special because at night there are several forces that attack you. They say "what is this guy doing?" You become aware of lot of things. I havent done this always but I have spent night awake only listenning to kirtan and listenning to kirtan is the best way to make you stayed-up. Lets see what others have to say on this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gupt Singh Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 i always thought that at amrit vela you were meant to first do naamjaap, then have ishnaan, then do your banis. but i could be wrong. i think when you are at a high spiritual level paath has a much more profound affect on you at amrit vela, and this is why u are encouraged to do it then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 DEar jjj what if you gotta go to work the next morning??? :roll: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjj Posted August 12, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 llavershi, everyone has a diffierent schedule. I am a student. I have decided I will sleep from 8 am -1 or 2 pm and go for night classes and in this way stay-up full nights. If you have job. You goto sort it out in some way. Like goto bed from 6 pm-2 am and then wake up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khandaydhaar Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 man thats jst like me...i have a real hard time getn up at amrit vela..somtimes i get up somtimes i dont... also ive noticed ive become very slack these days...which has got to STOP... :x ive tried to do path at night times too...like from 12 onwards...few times i managed to do it..but then after an hour or so i would get so sleepy and my eyelids would feel as if they weighed a tonne! i dont know wat to do... i try to sleep few hours so that i can stay up at night...but i jst am not able to..i dont know wat da heck is happening to me...i feel really guilty as if im not able to take care of amrit vela... guys can u help me??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ms514 Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 Sat Sri Akal: Sleepy? Take a COLD shower right before doing Paath. That oughta hold you at least until you are done. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khandaydhaar Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 OH Yaaaaay that solves my problem :| :? u say to have a cold shower, well if i have a cold shower here i would freeze and die!! the water here is stored and its like cold ice. But ill have a warm/cold shower. thanks for the advice tho. :mrgreen: cheers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 probably the hardest thing is gettin out of bed .... once ur out ur fine.. most of the time im fine cos i sleep early and wake early, but on nights when i get to bed late cos of relatives comin over or watever then i do get lazy.. put ur phones alarm clock on and put it farrrrr away from ur bed.. so when it goes off u will have to get out of bed to switch it off... :wink: make sure u dont get back in bed tho cos ull fall straight back to sleep i never have pure cold water, its always cold / warmish - this is enough to refresh me 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugermach Singh Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 Like goto bed from 6 pm-2 am and then wake up are you hibernating or something.... 8 hrs sleep may be recommended but people can easily survive on about 4, take about a month to get used to it. probably the hardest thing is gettin out of bed .... once ur out ur fine.. most of the time im fine cos i sleep early and wake early, but on nights when i get to bed late cos of relatives comin over or watever then i do get lazy.. put ur phones alarm clock on and put it farrrrr away from ur bed.. so when it goes off u will have to get out of bed to switch it off... make sure u dont get back in bed tho cos ull fall straight back to sleep true. hard getting out of bed, but once your out, its done. Another method is to drink at least 10 cups of water before you go to sleep. Now, either you wet your bed :shock: or get up.. If you stay up all night, then you do you nitnem, then you go to sleep, do you do you Sohila when you wake up....or not do it altogether, or do you do you Sohila, then nitnem, then Sohila, then sleep, then wake up, then Sohila again etc etc... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jassa Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 i dont knwo about others personal beliefs.... but what i have always understoof from katha and vichaar given to me by elder GurSikhs is that staying up all night and then goin sleep after you have done nitnem is like cheating the system.... instead of stayin up watchin tv at night or wateva you do go to sleep earler...1st of all your mind is kept away from all the trash you see on tv at that time... so my advice would be go to sleep at an early time and then wake up at 3am/4am have your ishnaan...then do naam simran (how much is dependant on your jeevan) everyone is able to do 10 min tho...then do your Nitnem banis...then i find it better to do some simran after aswell... if you have work in the morning then you may go to sleep later....as you continue to do this you may find you dont need the extra sleep as your body gets used to it and in which case you can add more banis to your nitnem... but jjj, from my opinion half of the thing of amritvela for me is showing your discipline for getting up to rollow your Guru Ji's rehat.... Anyone can stay up all night and then sleep later...but its the discipline behind getting out of bed...even if it means go sleep for an hour or 2, then get up...its better than choosing the easy way out by staying up??? notice in the below shabad Guru Ji says shall RISE in the morning... i dunno that just the way i understood it to be.... This Shabad is by Guru Raam Daas Ji in Raag Gauree on Pannaa 305 gur sathgur kaa jo sikh akhaaeae s bhalakae outh har naam dhhiaavai || One who calls himself a Sikh of the Guru, the True Guru, shall rise in the early morning hours and meditate on the Lord's Name. oudham karae bhalakae parabhaathee eisanaan karae a(n)mrith sar naavai || Upon arising early in the morning, he is to bathe, and cleanse himself in the pool of nectar. oupadhaes guroo har har jap jaapai sabh kilavikh paap dhokh lehi jaavai || Following the Instructions of the Guru, he is to chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. All sins, misdeeds and negativity shall be erased. fir charrai dhivas gurabaanee gaavai behadhiaa out(h)adhiaa har naam dhhiaavai || Then, at the rising of the sun, he is to sing Gurbani; whether sitting down or standing up, he is to meditate on the Lord's Name. jo saas giraas dhhiaaeae maera har har so gurasikh guroo man bhaavai || One who meditates on my Lord, Har, Har, with every breath and every morsel of food - that GurSikh becomes pleasing to the Guru's Mind. jis no dhaeiaal hovai maeraa suaamee this gurasikh guroo oupadhaes sunaavai || That person, unto whom my Lord and Master is kind and compassionate - upon that GurSikh, the Guru's Teachings are bestowed. jan naanak dhhoorr ma(n)gai this gurasikh kee jo aap japai avareh naam japaavai ||2|| Servant Nanak begs for the dust of the feet of that GurSikh, who himself chants the Naam, and inspires others to chant it. ||2|| 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khandaydhaar Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Yea I agree wid Jassa bro. Its great if u can get up at amrit vela regularly. Yea I would love to be able to do that. But as I mentioned earlier that somtimes I get up and somtimes I don't (can't). So the days I don't get up, I miss out on amrit vela, which is BAD, and i dont feel good about that either. :x So if to stop my laziness from taking over my amrit velas, why do u call it cheating if I stay up and do path and then go to sleep???? I dont see anything like cheating wid it. Yea, it would be great if i could get up at amrit vela everyday. But isn't it better to not to miss amrit vela than miss it??? Hopefully I plan to be able to get up at 2am later on, but to get to that I need to first be regular at amrit vela, that is not missing a single day of AMRIT VELA. So why would that be cheating?????? :? 8) Im sure if i can keep that up, Guru Ji will shower His grace on me so that i can easily get up at amrit velas dat is everyday 8) And you say that staying up is an easy way out? Its not. Cuz Ive gotten up at amrit velas and stayed up and its hard both ways. It takes alot of resistance to stay up at night and do path, when you see that everyone else in your house is deep asleep, and seeing them sleep makes me wana go to sleep too, which i have done few times. So yea either way, you have to kill your mind if you wana pray to God, if you don't feel like doin path. Yes about the minds rest needed before doin path, well ill have to nap when i get back from college and then study and then path and then hit the bed. I don't think thats cheating, and besides who can cheat wid God and Guru ???? No one can do that man, no one. 8) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjj Posted October 2, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Dont sleep. Amrit Vela begins from midnight to sunrise. Dissolve your sleep into simran.. your simran will replace u r sleep. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugermach Singh Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Dont sleep. Amrit Vela begins from midnight to sunrise. Dissolve your sleep into simran.. your simran will replace u r sleep. but then you become a walking Zombie!!!!! Although there is a cure, but most wont wanna take it cos it may be classified as a drug that taken inappropriatly will cause you to do funny things, but the right amount increases you reaction time and senses.So i've heard. Even in your sleep you should be remembering Akal. Remember, dont over sleep, get enough. You can sleep all you want when you are dead. Staying up all night messes up you body cycle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjj Posted October 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Jou tou prem khilan ka chao.. ...sir dhar ghali meri aao....... If you want to play the game of love.. then come with yur head on your palm.. In this game of Love... a sikh should not care about his body or bodily needs. Baba Harnam Singh ji sat for 40 days in meditation with full faith in Guru Ji... and did not eat anything, but he remained fully healthy. So dont worry about food , sleep and other bodily needs when it comes to sikhi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jassa Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 a key word in sikhi.........PROGRESSION we're not at Baba Harnam Singh's level....in time that may come with Guru Ji's Bakshish...but at the moment, our bodies cannot handle that, or mine neway?? jjj i agree that IDEALLY it would be great to replace sleep with simran....but you are planning on staying awake till after you have done your amrit vela and THEN sleeping...wich to me is taking the easy way out?? go 2 sleep den wake up and do it.....the whole point is that your paath should be the 1st action of the day..... your day will begin once you get up from sleep so i PERSONALLY wouldnt classify what you are doing as proper amritvela rather it is the easy wayout. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjj Posted October 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 jassa, it is not about high level or low level.. If you want to do something you can do it. Baba Harnam Singh use to have a hard time staying awake and when he use to fall asleep at night.. He would put his legs in water or stand up .. in order to not to allow sleep to disturb his simran.. he did this and Guru Ji saw he was hard working.. so he got kirpa and he was able to replace sleep with simran. actually.. if I goto sleep and wake up at 4 am or 5 am.. or even 3 am.. that time is to less to be spent in simran. Moreover amrit vela starts at midnight.. why spend the night sleeping? spend as much as time u want in simran, nitnem. during the time of sunrise.. I find myself dead tired through out the night.. so I do take a nap , as I am totally unconscious of what happened and how I fell asleep during that time. In the past I use to goto bed at 10 pm and wake up at 4 am. Yea it feels nice to wake up fresh, but buddy... we need not worry at all about getting sleep. You do your work and Guru Ji will take care of the rest. In this play .. one should not care about there bodily needs at all. Guru Amar Das and Guru Angad Did seva not worrying about sleep or bodily needs. Could anyone wak today the same distance which Guru Amar Das use to walk for 12 years? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jassa Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 your using examples of sants to justify you choosing the easy way out for your amritvela....its harder to do it the correct way so ppl will find reasons for alternatives... we can only help/show our opinion and im sure that mine wont convince you so ill leave you to it.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjj Posted October 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 we're not at Baba Harnam Singh's level....in time that may come with Guru Ji's Bakshish...but at the moment, our bodies cannot handle that, or mine neway?? Its not in the body. Its in the mind and its how determined you are. If you are determined to get A-LEVELS.. then you would even stay up all night , miss your meals and do all hard-core study. I have seen people doing such things, but when it comes to meeting Guru Ji .. we have nakhras like "Our bodies cant handle it. We feel sleepy, we get tired" or "I got work early morning." All of this is pure haumai nakhra. If you are strong in the mind and you are determined and you take the first step in struggling on the path and start working hard on this path and give it the first priority in your life.. Then you wouldnt find it a difficulty. I usually take my bath at mindight and start doing nitnem... simran, but sometimes I am to tired and I might fall asleep somehwere along the line 4 or 5 am or sometimes even 3 am.. and this happens I am completely not aware of it .. but I am always trying to remain awake through out the entire night and through this practice.. I have found that you gain a lot when you dont spend u r night sleeping. In India I also met a sant who would stay up all through out the night and then he might goto sleep after some sunrise... He is pretty experienced. Night time is special time, becoz you are attacked by much evil. I really dont think it is cheating the system, as I know many ppl who do it. Amrit Vela begins at midnight and goes up till sunrise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjj Posted October 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 your using examples of sants to justify you choosing the easy way out for your amritvela....its harder to do it the correct way so ppl will find reasons for alternatives... People become sants by working hard and not caring about there bodies. if you bring your bodily needs between u and Guru ji.. then its very hard and probably can never be a sant. To stay up all night is not an easy thing to do.. heh Its very hard try it. Infact to sleep at 10 pm and wake up at four or three is much easier, but then u loose something there and for me personally that amount of time is not enough for me.. as you would get only 2-3 hours until sunrise. The ideal situation will be just not to sleep at all , or take a very light nap. This is also possible with practice. In Tarn Taran I met a Gursikh who would stay up 3 days, he said the more you lessen the sleep thebetter it is. Our goal is to dissolve the mind in simran so that all times it is doing naam jap automatically, this will only happen when you try to make u r simran 24 hours , especially during night time when u r half-awake and half-sleep and that is the time simran would go into your subconscious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gupt Singh Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 i didnt go to be one night and i was knackered for the entire next day. another time i stayed up till 4 and only got a few hours sleep and i had to snooze the next day maybe it takes a while for ur body clock to cope, but when i do "normal" amritvela its not so bad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjj Posted October 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 khalsa soulja, i know that kind of experience, atleast you can utter waheguru in u r mind.. even in that state of half-sleep and half-awake, u know what i mean, u might be deadtired.. but as long as u can imagine waheguur, just go for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 in a way i do agree with jjj paji - but i wouldnt stay up from evening all the way to sunrise... instead id sleep from about 7/8 to midnight.. then u have whole night to do ur simran - nitnem - other banis... then u can sleep afta sun has come up..i dunno... if ur vela (free) it can be done so easily. but unfortunately most of us aint :cry: jjj night time isnt the only time for simran - it should be done all the time.. :wink: essentially the whole day should be ur amritvela... it shouldnt end just at sunrise 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gupt Singh Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 jjj u have obviously got a much stronger rehat than me.... i struggle to do amritvela at all on a regular basis.......for u its orite....but for me i cant really say "ill just naamjaap all day" cuz in reality i barely do enuf naamjaap anyway......im gnna take it step at a time........i dont even do my full nitnem anymore .....first i will do all my nitnem daily....then ill start doing amritvela again (i go thru periods where i follow rehat propa and then lapse again)....then ill start sleeping less......n hopefully by then ill b ready 4 amrit........ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjj Posted October 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 I use to be weak in my full nitnem before, but after I heard the jevan katha of Baba Harnam Singh Rampurkhere wale on Sikhawareness, dowlnoad section. He said that Guru Ji only cares about the rehatdhari sikh ! A Sikh who is complete in Rehat , does all the nitnem will surely enter the feet of Guru Ji.. otherwise not. This Baba Harnam Singh . Baba Harnam Singh did not use to do Jaap Sahib, because it is pretty long... and he use to skip it and then He got darshan that Guru Ji was not happy with him because he did not do jaap sahib and that a sikh is to follow the hukam and the Gur loves the rehat more than the sikh, after that Baba Harnam singh started doing the nitnem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gupt Singh Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 yeh i heard that story. its jus a case of getting into a routine/rhythmn... when u do all ur paath tho......like the full 2hrs (japji jap swaiyyas chopai full anand).....do u get propa spiritual feeling all the way thru? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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