Harjots8963 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Someone i know who is Amritdhari ate meat by accident. :(((( 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh123456777 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 No big deal. If it was by accident then it's not a kruheit. Do ardaas and a japji sahib paath.According to sau Sakhi you are not a kurehti. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Singh123456777 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 What happened in th Sakhi is that a Singh got captured by Mughals and they circumcised him, cut his hair, fed him halal meat(not jhatka) and did Muslim rites on that Singh. When the Singh was freed he came to maharaj Ji and told maharaj Ji the whole ordeal. Maharaj Ji asked if he had sexual intercourse with a Muslim woman and the Singh said no. Maharaj Ji said that you are still a sikh of maharaj Ji. This is the gist of this Sakhi. FYI scholars like dally, chatanga or Amardeep might know and my translations might be wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 You are a patit currently. So need to chal Amrit again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 No big deal. If it was by accident then it's not a kruheit. Do ardaas and a japji sahib paath.According to sau Sakhi you are not a kurehti.Bro, so there is no need to go to Panj Pyaray? to get chulay?Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibrute Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Amritdhari ate meat by accident. :((((Ask Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Maharaj, do ardas with degh prasad and take Hukamnama. You have to be sure in these circumstances that you have Guru's blessing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Singh123456777 Posted August 23, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Bro, so there is no need to go to Panj Pyaray? to get chulay?Bhul chuk maafIt is the intention of the thing. Did he go out and buy beef so he can eat it? No it was a mistake. Unknowingly a human eats many bugs and kills many animals very single day. Should we go pesh every single day? Or when we kangha our kesh and a few strands break off should we go pesh? The guru knows your intention behind everything. Mistakes happen all the time and we don't know it. Read the Sakhi that I posted. It addresses the issue. If the poster feels like he committed a huge sin then he should go and pesh. But minor things like this happen all the time. Maharaj Ji did not Pakhand. I knew of a Singh who used to pesh if he are pizza from the store. Even if the gurduwara bought it he ate it and then did pesh. Doing pesh etc is becoming a ritual now. When Singhs used to go in battle and when they used to get cut guarantee even a tiny hair strand was cut(unless the sword missed any hair on the body) so would that make the Singhs a patit? Hell no! The guru is all knowing and forgiving. I have seen people coming to do pesh for taking Advil cause it had opium or something like that lol. Did they need to come? No. Puratan Singhs used to do shaheedi degh when they were injured in battle. Taking Advil with opium or alcohol is to help the body. If you abuse Advil and take it like drugs then go pesh. For the poster I recommend taking a hukamnama from maharaj Ji and then he will get his answer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh123456777 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Ask Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Maharaj, do ardas with degh prasad and take Hukamnama. You have to be sure in these circumstances that you have Guru's blessing.I second this. Maharaj Ji is all knowing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) I knew of a Singh who used to pesh if he are pizza from the store. Even if the gurduwara bought it he ate it and then did pesh. What was that Singh doing? This is a big Paakhand (Hypocrisy).Bhul chuk maaf Edited August 23, 2015 by paapiman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) Someone i know who is Amritdhari ate meat by accident. :((((Two events in which you have to go for a Peshi, for sure are:- Removal of hair for medical reasons or any other reason.- Removal of Kachera, even if it is accidental.Bhul chuk maaf Edited August 24, 2015 by paapiman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh123456777 Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 What was that Singh doing? This is a big Paakhand (Hypocrisy).Bhul chuk maaflol don't ask. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragmaala Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 So many lessons from this Sakhi- if you have sex with a muslim woman, you are screwed forever...there is no comeback. however relation with any other faith woman has a potential to be forgiven- SInghs asked Guru ji that since muslims war rape hindu women, they should also do the same to muslim women ? Guru ji replied Muhammads religion is a religion of Bhoot, I dont know what is meant by that, however Khalsa is way higher in their character.^ rough translation of above. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 It's also a case of what will he do to make sure this doesn't happen again? Eg only eating food he himself has prepared etc? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ibrute Posted August 25, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) So many lessons from this Sakhi- if you have sex with a muslim woman, you are screwed forever...there is no comeback. however relation with any other faith woman has a potential to be forgivenI don't think Guru Maharaj means that, sexual relations with any women except wife means the same thing, religion is not an issue. What I think it means is, ejacualtion in sex means you are willingly doing it even for a moment. I think that is the jist here.On similar note, during war, Muslims and others used to hurl nasty abuses to singhs in order to provoke them. Singhs naturally reply in same tone, its war what the hell. Guru Gobind Singh Jee heard it and said Singho' dont abuse, say 'waheguru', even in war we have standards. Edited August 25, 2015 by ibrute 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 I don't think Guru Maharaj means that, sexual relations with any women except wife means the same thing, religion is not an issue. What I think it means is, ejacualtion in sex means you are willingly doing it even for a moment. I think that is the jist here.Bro, there is a specific bachan of Maharaaj, in relation to sex with a Muslim women. A Sikh will not be forgiven, if he commits adultery with a Muslim woman.Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibrute Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) Bro, there is a specific bachan of Maharaaj, in relation to sex with a Muslim women. A Sikh will not be forgiven, if he commits adultery with a Muslim woman.Bhul chuk maafCould you point me, where it is mentioned. Give the context.What I think is that kurehits are based on controlling the five vices, like eating meat comes under the vice labh(desire to eat), sexual relations comes under the vice kaam, keeping hair means walk in bhaana (in sync with nature). Tobacco ruins health. like that. Edited August 25, 2015 by ibrute 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Could you point me, where it is mentioned. Give the context.It might be Sau Sakhis, but Daas is not 100% sure.Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragmaala Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) Read lines 4-8, pg 112, in scanned pages above."...Hindu will stay away from Turkani. Consider him saved. Those who repent after bhoging other woman and repent after, or get forgiven from Guru Sikhs, consider them forgiven.Those who Bhog Musalmani is a pakka muslim, he will never be forgiven..."I only translated what I read..I dont have knowledge of mine. Edited August 25, 2015 by Ragmaala 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibrute Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Yes, I read it too, but could not wrap my thinking around it, I mean why it is said? Could not come up with an explanation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Seems like circumstantial/scolding bachan of maharaj should not be taken literally not to justify actions now but for understanding purposes only -as a) its based on those times where turk would send female turkhni to seduce singhs/brainwash hypnotize singhs with its beauty/at times even kill singhs during bhog b) it should also taken as scolding of maharaj same way biological parent would scold their children. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Yes, I read it too, but could not wrap my thinking around it, I mean why it is said? Could not come up with an explanation. Maharaaj said this, in order to protect Muslim women in the future. Satguru jee knew that Sikhs would rule areas, where large number of Muslims will be their subject. This strict verdict/fear created by Maharaaj, would prevent Sikh soldiers from molesting any Muslim women. Correct me, if wrong -- A Sikh had made a remark to Satguru jee that they will take Muslim women as war booty, once they rule. Maharaaj had rebuked them.In addition, the below two points also make sense.a) its based on those times where turk would send female turkhni to seduce singhs/brainwash hypnotize singhs with its beauty/at times even kill singhs during bhog b) it should also taken as scolding of maharaj same way biological parent would scold their children.Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) - SInghs asked Guru ji that since muslims war rape hindu women, they should also do the same to muslim women ? Guru ji replied Muhammads religion is a religion of Bhoot, I dont know what is meant by that, however Khalsa is way higher in their character.Very hard to believe that Satguru jee would utter such a statement. Possible tampering of a historical account.Bhul chuk maaf Edited August 25, 2015 by paapiman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragmaala Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 In older pakistan, Sikhs would not eat at all from the house of Muslims. And Muslims knew that, and respected it very well.During partition, Sikhs killed their own daughters & sisters, getting raped by a Muslim, polluting the genetic line was not an option at all.Source : anecdotal info from pre 1947 grandmother & relatives.I feel that There is some hidden knowledge about genetical & food associating with Muslim families, not in a negative way, but rather preventing the Sikh man or woman born into a muslim family through account of Karma. Once Baba Ishar Singh Ji told a famous ragi to stop reading too many granths of Muhammad, because at last moment if your surti latches to thought of Islam, you will be born there & have to get circumcised.Even Baba Nand Singh Ji scolded devotees who would show too much attention to Nankana Sahib...Baba Ji said dont make too many furnes, you will be born into pakistan and who knows even into a muslim family.Thus, my interpretation is that being born into a Muslim family even after being a Sikh is A HUGE DOWNGRADE in spirituality, thus too many thoughts are forbidden by Mahapurush, and bhog is forbidden by Guru Ji, and normal people prohibited associating through food. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) Thus, my interpretation is that being born into a Muslim family even after being a Sikh is A HUGE DOWNGRADE in spirituality, thus too many thoughts are forbidden by Mahapurush, and bhog is forbidden by Guru Ji, and normal people prohibited associating through food.You are right bro, with regards to the downgrade. Born in any non-Sikh family, after being a Sikh, is a downgrade.Paaji, isn't there a bachan by Srimaan Sant Baba Nand Singh jee Maharaaj that a spiritually high Muslim become a Hindu in his next lie and then a spiritually high Hindu become a Sikh?-- something like that. Jews and Christians are not even in the picture.Bhul chuk maaf Edited August 25, 2015 by paapiman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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