Caste System - What a disgrace

[paapiman]

A meeting between Srimaan Sant Baba Attar Singh jee Mastuanaywale and Gyani Dit Singh jee:

 

 

Reference:  Life Story of Sant Attar Singh ji by Harbans Singh Doabia

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[jaikaara]

Sikhi couldnt cure this disease

[JustAnotherSingh]

Paapiman, just curious--from where do you obtain these hagiographies? Very surprised they're in English. 

[paapiman]

10 hours ago, JustAnotherSingh said:

Paapiman, just curious--from where do you obtain these hagiographies? Very surprised they're in English. 

Bro, the above is from a book.

Reference:  Life Story of Sant Attar Singh ji by Harbans Singh Doabia

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

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The passage below is from the 14th chapter of the Gobind Gita, written by Guru Gobind Singh. One can find this composition in the Patna Sahib bir of Dasam Granth.

 

ਖਾਲਸੇ ਮਾਹਿ ਕੀਓ ਉਪਦੇਸ ॥ ਜੋ ਅਰਜਨ ਕੋ ਕਹਿਓ ਨਰੇਸ ॥ ਏਕ ਅਕਾਲ ਸਭੀ ਕਛੁ ਜਾਨੋ ॥ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਆਪ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਏਕ ਮਾਨੋ ॥ 62॥

I deliver this teaching to the Khalsa, which was delivered to Arjuna by the Raja [Krishna]. Recognize the One Akal in all, understand the entire creation as that One Gobind .

ਬਰਨ ਆਸ੍ਰਮ ਤੁਮ ਸਕਲ ਤਿਆਗੋ ॥ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨ ਮੈਂ ਨਿਸਦਿਨ ਲਾਗੋ ॥ ਜਾਨੋ ਸਭ ਕਛੁ ਏਕ ਅਕਾਲ ॥ ਜੋ ਦੇਖੈ ਏਕ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਲਾਲ ॥63॥

Forsake all caste and ashram's [designated Hindu stages of life], forever be absorbed in the wisdom of Brahm. Recognize the One Akal in all, wherever you look there is that One Beloved Gobind.

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[1] - "Forsake all caste" - Gobind Gita (manglacharan.com)

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[dalsingh101]

@paapiman

Bro, I couldn't find the above text but may have been looking in the wrong place on the pdf?

What do you make of this (from the red line). I'm struggling to fully grasp it. It's from Gobind Gita. 

 

[paapiman]

On 9/6/2021 at 4:20 PM, dalsingh101 said:

@paapiman

Bro, I couldn't find the above text but may have been looking in the wrong place on the pdf?

What do you make of this (from the red line). I'm struggling to fully grasp it. It's from Gobind Gita. 

 

That Dohra is talking about the "Fourth stage" (Turiya Pad or Brahamgyan Avastha).

Essentially, those verses means that any person of any caste or race can reach the stage of Brahamgyan.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

@Soulfinder

 

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[GurjantGnostic]

32 minutes ago, paapiman said:

@Soulfinder

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Time to start pulling cards to be honest. There's no such thing as a casteist Sikh. Just casteists in turbans. 

[Premi]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/21/seattle-ban-caste-based-discrimination

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Seattle becomes first US city to ban caste-based discrimination

Provision comes amid calls for change from South Asian diaspora communities but faces opposition from some Hindu Americans

 

 

Seattle has become the first city in the US to ban caste-based discrimination, after council members voted on Tuesday to add the provision to the city’s anti-bias laws.

Calls to outlaw discrimination based on caste, a division of people based on birth or descent, have grown louder among South Asian diaspora communities. Proponents of the ordinance, which was approved by a 6-1 vote, say without such laws, those facing caste discrimination in the US will have no protections.

But the move is also contentious, and has seen opposition from some Hindu Americans who argue that such legislation maligns a community that is already the target of prejudice.

Dalit activists from Seattle and beyond planned two rallies at Seattle’s city hall in support of the ordinance, said Thenmozhi Soundararajan, founder and executive director of California-based Equality Labs.

The US is the second most popular destination for Indians living abroad, according to the Migration Policy Institute. It estimates the US diaspora grew from about 206,000 in 1980 to about 2.7 million in 2021

 

 

[Premi]

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/18/a-disease-caste-discrimination-in-australia-is-on-the-rise-but-some-are-fighting-back

‘A disease’: Caste discrimination in Australia is on the rise – but some are fighting back

 

 

Karishma Luthria

Fri 17 Feb 2023 19.00 GMT

 

 

 

When Rakesh Kumar migrated to Australia from Punjab in India 16 years ago, the discrimination followed him. Before he could even enter the house he would be staying in he was asked: “What is your caste?”

“I said I’m Chamar,” Kumar says. The term is a Punjabi equivalent of the Dalit caste.

 

With India now the third most common birthplace of Australian residents, according to the 2021 census, and with migration from south Asia on the rise, many are worried about caste discrimination escalating in Australia.

 

 

The Hindu caste system, which is assigned at birth and determines occupations and social status, is made up of four tiers, with Brahmins or priests and teachers at the top and Dalits at the bottom. Dalits are often tasked with scavenging and street cleaning, are considered “untouchable” and are outcast from Indian society.

Questions about Kumar’s caste followed him into his career. He now manages a team at a Melbourne logistics company.

In 2013, Kumar says, he bought a car with a number plate that read chamar “so that no one asks me”.

Kumar, who has a career as a logistics manager, subverted a trend among upper-caste south Asians who flaunt their status on Australian number plates: “When I tell them my caste with pride, people feel ashamed, they realise they did something wrong.”

 

Kumar has experienced discrimination at work. Photograph: Penny Stephens/The Guardian

Despite his professional success he has still been discriminated against. He once overheard a colleague suggesting that he had only progressed so far because his mother or grandmother must have slept with someone from a higher caste.“That was the worst experience I had,” Kumar says.

It was after this incident that Kumar’s organisation received an email from an unknown source, requesting that the company only hire people of higher castes.

For others, the discrimination is not so direct.

Aparna Ramteke, a Sydney recruitment consultant, has been in professional situations where those around her engage in banter about castes. If someone is excluded from a conversation they might say: “Am I an untouchable? Don’t treat me like an untouchable.”

“They don’t know that I belong to that community, or that there might be others who might be from the community,” she says. “So even though they might be just joking around it’s actually singling out the community.

“It really puts you down. You feel a bit guilty about your identity.”

South and central Asian countries now form the largest group of new migrants to Australia, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics. In 2018-19 and 2021-22 the region accounted for 28% and 32% of new arrivals respectively.

A professor of law at Melbourne University, Beth Gaze, says: “With the expansion of our subcontinental community I think it’s inevitable that [caste discrimination] is going to turn into a major problem in Australia. And I don’t think we can address other forms of racism without taking account of that.”

Vaibhav Gaekwad, a sustainability professional, says the reason there is little awareness about caste in Australia is because the south Asian community is dominated by upper or oppressor castes who deny the existence of discrimination.

“They occupy key decision-making positions in public and private sectors,” Gaekwad says. “They will always claim that this type of discrimination does not exist.

[dalsingh101]

@Premi

Given what I've seen, and how apnay transport their caste structures into the diaspora, I think it's good that there is legislation and awareness against this outside. 

[GurjantGnostic]

On 2/23/2023 at 12:30 AM, Premi said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/18/a-disease-caste-discrimination-in-australia-is-on-the-rise-but-some-are-fighting-back

‘A disease’: Caste discrimination in Australia is on the rise – but some are fighting back

 

 

 

Karishma Luthria

Fri 17 Feb 2023 19.00 GMT

 

 

 

When Rakesh Kumar migrated to Australia from Punjab in India 16 years ago, the discrimination followed him. Before he could even enter the house he would be staying in he was asked: “What is your caste?”

“I said I’m Chamar,” Kumar says. The term is a Punjabi equivalent of the Dalit caste.

 

With India now the third most common birthplace of Australian residents, according to the 2021 census, and with migration from south Asia on the rise, many are worried about caste discrimination escalating in Australia.

 

 

The Hindu caste system, which is assigned at birth and determines occupations and social status, is made up of four tiers, with Brahmins or priests and teachers at the top and Dalits at the bottom. Dalits are often tasked with scavenging and street cleaning, are considered “untouchable” and are outcast from Indian society.

Questions about Kumar’s caste followed him into his career. He now manages a team at a Melbourne logistics company.

In 2013, Kumar says, he bought a car with a number plate that read chamar “so that no one asks me”.

Kumar, who has a career as a logistics manager, subverted a trend among upper-caste south Asians who flaunt their status on Australian number plates: “When I tell them my caste with pride, people feel ashamed, they realise they did something wrong.”

 

Kumar has experienced discrimination at work. Photograph: Penny Stephens/The Guardian

Despite his professional success he has still been discriminated against. He once overheard a colleague suggesting that he had only progressed so far because his mother or grandmother must have slept with someone from a higher caste.“That was the worst experience I had,” Kumar says.

It was after this incident that Kumar’s organisation received an email from an unknown source, requesting that the company only hire people of higher castes.

For others, the discrimination is not so direct.

Aparna Ramteke, a Sydney recruitment consultant, has been in professional situations where those around her engage in banter about castes. If someone is excluded from a conversation they might say: “Am I an untouchable? Don’t treat me like an untouchable.”

“They don’t know that I belong to that community, or that there might be others who might be from the community,” she says. “So even though they might be just joking around it’s actually singling out the community.

“It really puts you down. You feel a bit guilty about your identity.”

South and central Asian countries now form the largest group of new migrants to Australia, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics. In 2018-19 and 2021-22 the region accounted for 28% and 32% of new arrivals respectively.

A professor of law at Melbourne University, Beth Gaze, says: “With the expansion of our subcontinental community I think it’s inevitable that [caste discrimination] is going to turn into a major problem in Australia. And I don’t think we can address other forms of racism without taking account of that.”

Vaibhav Gaekwad, a sustainability professional, says the reason there is little awareness about caste in Australia is because the south Asian community is dominated by upper or oppressor castes who deny the existence of discrimination.

“They occupy key decision-making positions in public and private sectors,” Gaekwad says. “They will always claim that this type of discrimination does not exist.

See. Chumars!!! Jk