amardeep Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 What is the purpose and meaning behind the shastarnaam mala puran? This shabad makes me think there are some deep meanings in it since it adresses the 52 poets of the Guru assembly directly. ਅਥ ਤੁਪਕ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ॥ Now Begins the description of the names of the Gunਦੋਹਰਾ ॥दोहरा ॥ DOHRAਬਾਹਨਿ ਆਦਿ ਉਚਾਰੀਐ ਰਿਪ ਪਦ ਅੰਤਿ ਉਚਾਰ ॥ ਨਾਮ ਤੁਪਕ ਕੇ ਹੋਤ ਹੈਂ ਲੀਜਹੁ ਸੁ ਕਬਿ ਸੁਧਾਰ ॥੪੬੧॥बाहनि आदि उचारीऐ रिप पद अंति उचार ॥ नाम तुपक के होत हैं लीजहु सु कबि सुधार ॥४६१॥ Uttering the word "Vaahini" and then adding "Ripu Ari" at the end, the names of the Gun are formed, which O poets You may comprehend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 10 hours ago, amardeep said: What is the purpose and meaning behind the shastarnaam mala puran? This shabad makes me think there are some deep meanings in it since it adresses the 52 poets of the Guru assembly directly. I personally feel the idea was to feel dedicated to their weapons and to see the Bhagouti Shakti purely in the form of the Sword. Remember, Maharaj created Kshatriyas out of laymen who had never fought. The Rajputs have worshipped Bhagouti in the form of Shastars since ages however when one does paath of Shastar Naam Maala , he/she does the bhagti of the Shastars . The pyaar for the Shastars increases. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dalsingh101 Posted March 9, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 16 hours ago, amardeep said: ਬਾਹਨਿ ਆਦਿ ਉਚਾਰੀਐ ਰਿਪ ਪਦ ਅੰਤਿ ਉਚਾਰ ॥ ਨਾਮ ਤੁਪਕ ਕੇ ਹੋਤ ਹੈਂ ਲੀਜਹੁ ਸੁ ਕਬਿ ਸੁਧਾਰ ॥੪੬੧॥ Uttering the word "Vaahini" and then adding "Ripu Ari" at the end, the names of the Gun are formed, which O poets You may comprehend. Where does 'ripu ari' come from, I only see 'rip' in original text? I found this: ਬਾਹਣ = Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia {ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ}. ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਵਾਹੁਣ ਦੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਯਾ. ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਹਾਰ. "ਅਸਟਾਇਧ ਬਾਹਣ". (ਅਕਾਲ) ਦੇਖੋ, ਅਸਟਾਇਧ। (2) ਵਾਹਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਖੇਤ। (3) ਦੇਖੋ, ਵਾਹਨ. ਰਿਪ = SGGS Gurmukhi-Gurmukhi Dictionary ਵੈਰੀ। ਉਦਾਹਰਣ: ਸੁਖ ਲਹਹਿ ਤਿਨਰ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਮਹਿ ਅਭੈ ਪਦੁ ਰਿਪ ਮਧਿ ਤਿਹ॥ {ਸਵ ੩, ੧੧:੫ (1394)}। SGGS Gurmukhi-English Dictionary Sk. n. Enemy SGGS Gurmukhi-English Data provided by Harjinder Singh Gill, Santa Monica, CA, USA. Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia ਸੰ. रिप्. ਧਾ- ਨੁਕਸਾਨ ਪਹੁਚਾਉਣਾ, ਧੌਖਾ ਦੇਣਾ, ਲਬੇੜਨਾ। (2) ਸੰਗਯਾ- ਹਾਨੀ ਨੁਕਸਾਨ। (3) ਛਲ. ਧੋਖਾ. Mahan Kosh data provided by Bhai Baljinder Singh (RaraSahib Wale); See http://www.ik13.com So, together ਬਾਹਨਿ ਰਿਪ could translate to "Enemy of the strike of a handheld weapon." Which could allude to the bandooks superiority in range? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Aah interesting! Maybe each of these "take this Word and add to that Word" makes up some attributes of the shastars. We should do another one of these vichaar series - as we are doing on Charitro Pakhyan - just with the Shastarnaam mala puran and go through each weapon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dalsingh101 Posted March 9, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Here's Kahn Singh Nabha's take on Shasternaammala (from MK), I haven't read it yet. It's quite lengthy (from pg. 363 onwards, scribd number - https://www.scribd.com/doc/149687252/Mahan-Kosh-Vol-1-Kahan-Singh-Nabha-English-Translation) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 This bit is really insightful. It shows how the gun was used and considered superior to other weapons. We can see it was called the 'enemy' (ਰਿਪ and ਸਤ੍ਰੁ) as well as the 'ender' (ਅੰਤਕ) of various things including weapons (bows, chakar, swords), animals used in war (elephants, horses) as well as abstract nouns like 'pride' (ਅਭਿਮਾਨ; ਸਮਯ is the Sanskrit for pride), 'kings' (ਨ੍ਰਿਪ, ਭੂਪ), 'wealth' (ਧਨੁ), 'lustre' and 'praise' are also ground to a halt by this weapon (ਪ੍ਰਭਾ andਸੋਭਾ). It gets even deeper than that with other words. Very, very interesting insights into the thinking of the author. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Cheers, i'll read it later tonight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Thats a really cool and informative introduction by Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha! He was a great scholar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post paapiman Posted June 10, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 On 3/9/2016 at 7:39 AM, dalsingh101 said: ਬਾਹਨਿ ਰਿਪ could translate to "Enemy of the strike of a handheld weapon." ਬਾਹਨਿ - means a vehicle (one used in warfare) too. Therefore, then ਬਾਹਨਿ ਰਿਪ could mean " Enemy of a war vehicle". So, it is possible that ਬਾਹਨਿ ਰਿਪ could refer to a bomb or a explosive device, which can destroy war vehicles. What do you think bro? Bhul chuk maaf 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dalsingh101 Posted June 10, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, paapiman said: ਬਾਹਨਿ - means a vehicle (one used in warfare) too. Therefore, then ਬਾਹਨਿ ਰਿਪ could mean " Enemy of a war vehicle". So, it is possible that ਬਾਹਨਿ ਰਿਪ could refer to a bomb or a explosive device, which can destroy war vehicles. What do you think bro? Bhul chuk maaf Where are you getting your definition of ਬਾਹਨਿ from? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 On 3/9/2016 at 7:39 AM, dalsingh101 said: ਬਾਹਣ = Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia {ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ}. ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਵਾਹੁਣ ਦੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਯਾ. ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਹਾਰ. "ਅਸਟਾਇਧ ਬਾਹਣ". (ਅਕਾਲ) ਦੇਖੋ, ਅਸਟਾਇਧ। (2) ਵਾਹਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਖੇਤ। (3) ਦੇਖੋ, ਵਾਹਨ. ਵਾਹਨ means vehicle. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dalsingh101 Posted June 10, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, paapiman said: ਬਾਹਨਿ - means a vehicle (one used in warfare) too. Therefore, then ਬਾਹਨਿ ਰਿਪ could mean " Enemy of a war vehicle". So, it is possible that ਬਾਹਨਿ ਰਿਪ could refer to a bomb or a explosive device, which can destroy war vehicles. What do you think bro? Bhul chuk maaf I don't think so myself, but who knows? To me it seems to refer to an ashtar that has advantages over those solely armed with shastars? That being said, it could refer to the ability of a shooter to incapacitate a war vehicle like a chariot, by hitting the driver? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post paapiman Posted June 10, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, dalsingh101 said: That being said, it could refer to the ability of a shooter to incapacitate a war vehicle like a chariot, by hitting the driver? That makes sense too. Good one bro. Bhul chuk maaf 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 The fact a lot of these battles happened in 10 directions might...change interpretations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 13 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said: The fact a lot of these battles happened in 10 directions might...change interpretations. What do you mean by that? Can you please elaborate? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, paapiman said: What do you mean by that? Can you please elaborate? Bhul chuk maaf Batlles in Dasam Granth start off in 10 directions mainly, then decrease to 4 direction battles, more often. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 27, 2021 Report Share Posted July 27, 2021 @dalsingh101 @GurjantGnostic Quote ਜਗਤੀਸਣੀ ਪਦਾਦਿ ਬਖਾਨੋ ॥ ਅੰਤਿ ਸਬਦ ਮਥਣੀ ਤਿਹ ਠਾਨੋ ॥ First say 'the Army of the Kings' [Jagat-isa-ni], then attach the word 'the Churner [Mathni]. ਸਕਲ ਤੁਪਕ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ਪਛਾਨਹੁ ॥ ਯਾ ਮੈ ਭੇਦ ਰਤੀ ਨ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨਹੁ ॥710॥ Understand all the names of the Gun, don't doubt this even in the slightest. - Dasam Guru Granth Sahib, Shastarnamala Here Guru Gobind Singh names the Gun as the 'King-Army Churner', analogizing the long wood shape of a churner [madani] to the long barrel of a gun - both churning, taking two substances and extracting their essence. The Churner extracts butter from milk, and a Gun extracts blood from the King's Army. ਜਗਤੀਸਣੀ = ਜਗਤ (World) ਈਸ (Rulers/Kings) ਣੀ (Army of) ਮਥਣੀ = Churner Unquote[1] Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 27, 2021 Report Share Posted July 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, paapiman said: @dalsingh101 @GurjantGnostic Quote ਜਗਤੀਸਣੀ ਪਦਾਦਿ ਬਖਾਨੋ ॥ ਅੰਤਿ ਸਬਦ ਮਥਣੀ ਤਿਹ ਠਾਨੋ ॥ First say 'the Army of the Kings' [Jagat-isa-ni], then attach the word 'the Churner [Mathni]. ਸਕਲ ਤੁਪਕ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ਪਛਾਨਹੁ ॥ ਯਾ ਮੈ ਭੇਦ ਰਤੀ ਨ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨਹੁ ॥710॥ Understand all the names of the Gun, don't doubt this even in the slightest. - Dasam Guru Granth Sahib, Shastarnamala Here Guru Gobind Singh names the Gun as the 'King-Army Churner', analogizing the long wood shape of a churner [madani] to the long barrel of a gun - both churning, taking two substances and extracting their essence. The Churner extracts butter from milk, and a Gun extracts blood from the King's Army. ਜਗਤੀਸਣੀ = ਜਗਤ (World) ਈਸ (Rulers/Kings) ਣੀ (Army of) ਮਥਣੀ = Churner Unquote[1] Bhul chuk maaf You're in Canada bro. Are you going to get some training in at the range? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GurjantGnostic Posted July 28, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 8 hours ago, dalsingh101 said: You're in Canada bro. Are you going to get some training in at the range? Even just doing a lot of meditation with a firearm, both eyes open, until you get used to aligning with the weapon and seeing the ghosting on the sights from both eyes being open is an enjoyable and very beneficial practice. Cheapest 30 30 or 30.06 will do. Even if a gun was broken and therefore cheapest it's really nice to aim with a full weight rifle. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 @paapiman You didn't even answer the question bro! lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 18 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said: @paapiman You didn't even answer the question bro! lol Silence has esoteric meanings bro. lol Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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