paapiman Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 An anecdote from the life of Mata Meera Bai jee. Quote Jiva Gosain was the head of the Vaishnavites in Brindavan. Meera wanted to have Darshan of Jiva Gosain. He declined to see her. He sent word to Meera that he would not allow any woman in his presence. Mirabai retorted: "Everybody in Brindavan is a woman. Only Giridhar Gopala is Purusha. Today only I have come to know that there is another Purusha besides Krishna in Brindavan". Jiva Gosain was put to shame. He at once went to see Meera and paid her due respects. Unquote[1] [1] - http://www.chittorgarh.com/meera-bai.asp Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted May 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2021 @Trimandeep Singh - Mata Meera Bai jee is also an example of a non-Sikh Brahamgyani. Please read a short anecdote (from her life) above. Thanks Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted May 29, 2021 Report Share Posted May 29, 2021 "Brahmangyani ki Gat Brahmgyani Jaanai" Pls can you tell which Brahmgyani said that Meera Bai is also a Brahmgyani? Or you just prefixed her name? Nowadays, so many baabe are claiming they are Brahmgyani. Brahmgyani purush were Baba Deep Singh Ji, Baba Banda Singh Bahadur, Bhai Gurdaas Ji, Mata Gujri Ji etc. We are making this word 'sasta' by calling anyone a Brahmgyani. Brahmgyani means who has gyaan of Brahm (Akaal Purakh not Brahma Ji), who knows Brahm. Meera Bai is a devotee of Krishna Ji, not Akaal Purakh. So how does she know Akaal Purakh? Trimandeep Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted May 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2021 6 hours ago, Trimandeep Singh said: "Brahmangyani ki Gat Brahmgyani Jaanai" Pls can you tell which Brahmgyani said that Meera Bai is also a Brahmgyani? Or you just prefixed her name? Nowadays, so many baabe are claiming they are Brahmgyani. Brahmgyani purush were Baba Deep Singh Ji, Baba Banda Singh Bahadur, Bhai Gurdaas Ji, Mata Gujri Ji etc. We are making this word 'sasta' by calling anyone a Brahmgyani. Brahmgyani means who has gyaan of Brahm (Akaal Purakh not Brahma Ji), who knows Brahm. Meera Bai is a devotee of Krishna Ji, not Akaal Purakh. So how does she know Akaal Purakh? Trimandeep Singh One shabad of Mata Meera Bai jee was included in a saroop of Sri Aad Granth saab by Bhai saab Bhai Banno jee, who was a Great Sikh of Sri Satguru jee (Fifth Master). This gives us a strong indication that Mata Meera Bai jee was a Brahamgyani. Bhai saab Bhai Baano jee was a Gurmukh Brahamgyani. He would have spotted the high avastha of Mata jee by reading her shabad. Obviously what Bhai saab jee did, was NOT within the HUKAM of Sri Satguru jee, but we can learn from this sakhi. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted May 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2021 6 hours ago, Trimandeep Singh said: "Brahmangyani ki Gat Brahmgyani Jaanai" Pls can you tell which Brahmgyani said that Meera Bai is also a Brahmgyani? Or you just prefixed her name? Nowadays, so many baabe are claiming they are Brahmgyani. Brahmgyani purush were Baba Deep Singh Ji, Baba Banda Singh Bahadur, Bhai Gurdaas Ji, Mata Gujri Ji etc. We are making this word 'sasta' by calling anyone a Brahmgyani. Brahmgyani means who has gyaan of Brahm (Akaal Purakh not Brahma Ji), who knows Brahm. Meera Bai is a devotee of Krishna Ji, not Akaal Purakh. So how does she know Akaal Purakh? Trimandeep Singh Bhagat Baba Surdas jee Maharaaj and Bhagat Baba Naamdev jee Maharaaj were also devotees of Sri Krishan jee, before they reached a very high spiritual state and then started worshipping Sri Waheguru jee. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 9 hours ago, paapiman said: Bhagat Baba Surdas jee Maharaaj and Bhagat Baba Naamdev jee Maharaaj were also devotees of Sri Krishan jee, before they reached a very high spiritual state and then started worshipping Sri Waheguru jee. Bhul chuk maaf Yes, almost all bhagats were devotees of Hindu dieties before becoming Sikhs of Guru Nanak Sahib. However, the bani of Bhagats which is present in Guru Granth Sahib Ji was written by them after becoming Sikhs. The writings of bhagats when they were non Sikhs were surely inspiring to do bhagti but they were only partially truth. When they became Sikhs and meditated on Satnaam, they attained Brahmgyan and only then their writings were included (written after becoming Sikh) Trimandeep Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted May 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Trimandeep Singh said: Yes, almost all bhagats were devotees of Hindu dieties before becoming Sikhs of Guru Nanak Sahib. However, the bani of Bhagats which is present in Guru Granth Sahib Ji was written by them after becoming Sikhs. The writings of bhagats when they were non Sikhs were surely inspiring to do bhagti but they were only partially truth. When they became Sikhs and meditated on Satnaam, they attained Brahmgyan and only then their writings were included (written after becoming Sikh) Trimandeep Singh Bhagat Baba Naamdev jee Maharaaj lived from 1270 AD - 1350 AD. He never met Sri Satguru jee during his lifetime. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted May 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Trimandeep Singh said: Yes, almost all bhagats were devotees of Hindu dieties before becoming Sikhs of Guru Nanak Sahib. However, the bani of Bhagats which is present in Guru Granth Sahib Ji was written by them after becoming Sikhs. The writings of bhagats when they were non Sikhs were surely inspiring to do bhagti but they were only partially truth. When they became Sikhs and meditated on Satnaam, they attained Brahmgyan and only then their writings were included (written after becoming Sikh) Trimandeep Singh Anyways your point above DOES NOT prove that Mata Meera Bai jee was NOT a Brahamgyani. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, paapiman said: Bhagat Baba Naamdev jee Maharaaj lived from 1270 AD - 1350 AD. He never met Sri Satguru jee during his lifetime. Bhul chuk maaf According to Sikh history, Bhagat Farid Ji had a meeting with Guru Nanak Sahib. Bhagat Kabir Ji, Bhagat Pipa Ji And some other bhagats had meeting with Guru Nanak Sahib in Ayodhya where they took charan Amrit. Some scholars also have disputes about the birth and death dates of Bhagat Kabir Ji. However, here's an evidence of their meeting. ************************* http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20110508/punjab.htm Denizens of Maghar town near Gorakhpur in UP believe that Guru Nanak Dev and saint Kabir met at Maghar. * When Guru Nanak visited the place, it was reeling under a drought. So he got a well constructed which is known as Nanak Kuan. * Even though there are no Sikhs in Maghar, a large number of persons have faith in Guru Nanak and are known as Nanak Panthis. * Earlier, the Nanak Kuan Gurdwara had 2.5 acres in its name, but there was no building. * Gurdwara building to be ready in a few months. ******************************** If I find anything about the meeting with Bhagat Naamdev Ji, will post. Bhul chuk maaf Trimandeep Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted May 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Trimandeep Singh said: If I find anything about the meeting with Bhagat Naamdev Ji, will post. Please make a new topic, when you find something. Thanks Bhuk chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 18 minutes ago, paapiman said: Anyways your point above DOES NOT prove that Mata Meera Bai jee was NOT a Brahamgyani. Bhul chuk maaf ਨਾਮੁਅਮੋਲਕੁਰਤਨੁਹੈਪੂਰੇਸਤਿਗੁਰਪਾਸਿ॥ The Naam is a Priceless Jewel; it is with the Perfect True Guru. ਜਿਨਾਸਤਿਗੁਰੁਪੁਰਖੁਨਭੇਟਿਓਸੇਭਾਗਹੀਣਵਸਿਕਾਲ॥ Those who have not met the Primal Being, the True Guru, are most unfortunate, and are subject to death. ਓਇਫਿਰਿਫਿਰਿਜੋਨਿਭਵਾਈਅਹਿਵਿਚਿਵਿਸਟਾਕਰਿਵਿਕਰਾਲ॥ They wander in reincarnation over and over again, as the most disgusting maggots in manure. Meera Bai did not worship the True Guru but his own creation, Krishna Ji. So, she can't be a brahmgyani. One of the characteristics of Brahmgyani, "Brahmgyani Kai Ekai Rang" Brahmgyani is coloured in the Love of Akaal Purakh. Whereas, Meera Bai was in the rang of Krishna Ji. Bhul chuk maaf Trimandeep Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted May 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 28 minutes ago, Trimandeep Singh said: Meera Bai did not worship the True Guru but his own creation, Krishna Ji. So, she can't be a brahmgyani. One of the characteristics of Brahmgyani, "Brahmgyani Kai Ekai Rang" Brahmgyani is coloured in the Love of Akaal Purakh. Whereas, Meera Bai was in the rang of Krishna Ji. How do YOU know that she did not start worshipping Sri Waheguru jee, once her spiritual level rose to very high levels? Are YOU a Brahamgyani? Do you know, who was the GURU of Mata Meera Bai jee? It was Bhagat Baba Ravidas jee Maharaaj. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paapiman Posted May 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 hour ago, mahanpaapi said: Dhan Dhan Mata Meera Bai jee Maharaaj Dhan Dhan Bhagat Baba Ravidas jee Maharaaj Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 4 hours ago, paapiman said: How do YOU know that she did not start worshipping Sri Waheguru jee, once her spiritual level rose to very high levels? Are YOU a Brahamgyani? Do you know, who was the GURU of Mata Meera Bai jee? It was Bhagat Baba Ravidas jee Maharaaj. Bhul chuk maaf Do you have an evidence that she started worshipping Vaheguru Ji? Even if Bhagat Ravidas ji was her guru, it doesn't mean she was a Brahmgyani. And probably when Bhagat Ravidas Ji was her GURU, he hadn't himself attained brahmgyan. When one becomes Brahmgyani, he/she doesn't become a guru or makes himself/herself a guru but encourages to worship Vaheguru and make his Shabad their guru. "Shabad Guru Surt Dhun Chela" Trimandeep Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 hour ago, mahanpaapi said: 29 minutes ago, paapiman said: Dhan Dhan Mata Meera Bai jee Maharaaj Do you also believe in this? Trimandeep Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahanpaapi Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Trimandeep Singh said: Do you also believe in this? Trimandeep Singh why you want me to answer this relevant question to you ji ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 Because you just posted a picture of Meera Bai Ji with a caption and expected me to believe it. So I want to say why you giving evidence which has no reliability. People just take any picture of mahapurush and give it a caption which is totally against the mahapurush's ideology. Trimandeep Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 5 hours ago, paapiman said: Bhagat Baba Naamdev jee Maharaaj lived from 1270 AD - 1350 AD. He never met Sri Satguru jee during his lifetime. Bhul chuk maaf https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-gby2p-1005faf Hear Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwaale say Bhagat Naamdev Ji became one with Akaal Purakh only when he met Satguru Nanak Dev Ji. Trimandeep Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahanpaapi Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Trimandeep Singh said: Because you just posted a picture of Meera Bai Ji with a caption and expected me to believe it. So I want to say why you giving evidence which has no reliability. People just take any picture of mahapurush and give it a caption which is totally against the mahapurush's ideology. Trimandeep Singh where did I say ji that you should believe what I posted? it is your own exclusive sharda believe what you want to, I am not coercing you and no one should ji. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted May 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2021 14 hours ago, Trimandeep Singh said: Do you have an evidence that she started worshipping Vaheguru Ji? Even if Bhagat Ravidas ji was her guru, it doesn't mean she was a Brahmgyani. And probably when Bhagat Ravidas Ji was her GURU, he hadn't himself attained brahmgyan. When one becomes Brahmgyani, he/she doesn't become a guru or makes himself/herself a guru but encourages to worship Vaheguru and make his Shabad their guru. "Shabad Guru Surt Dhun Chela" Trimandeep Singh Two points have already been provided to you. Bhai saab Bhai Banno jee (Sikh of Fifth Master) included her shabad in an Aad Sarrop of Gurbani. Mata Meera Bai jee was a disciple of Bhagat Baba Ravidas jee Maharaaj, who was a Gurmukh Brahamgyani. The above evidence is more than enough for DAAS to believe that Mata jee was a Brahamgyani. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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