paapiman Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Please listen to Gyani Harbhajan Singh jee. http://kam1825.podbean.com/e/panch-parvaan-future-prophacy-and-how-to-confess-to-the-panj-piaray/ Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tina Kaur Bains Posted November 10, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 WJKK WJKF - interesting listen. However, sadly why do I feel I have never actually met any persons truly representing Panj Pyare across UK, India or Canada. Breaking it down as in katha above, I truly believe the 5 Pyare are embodiment of such distinguished qualities that are NOT humanly possible to achieve to completion - so why do we get men dressed up representing such distinguished qualities ? 1. Daya - merciful, kind, compassionate 2. Dharam - righteous living 3. Himmat - courageous 4. Muhkam - steadfast 5. Sahib - masterly / lordly Surely we should be confessing to the qualities not the people trying to represent the qualities. As this is what I feel Japji Sahib refers to. Bhul Chuk Maaf Mere Waheguru 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted November 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 Quote In the presence of the Panj Pyare and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee appropriate punishment is ordained for any sins commited, but even the most serious sins are forgiven. The person who comes and begs for forgiveness is not punished in the afterlife in the Court of God and Dharamraj (Vaaheguroo’s Judge) cannot punish that person. If the person does not admit to their sins here, then they will get punished in God’s Court and may have to go through various life-form’s, births and deaths as punishment. The person that retakes Amrit is to accept the punishment ordained, as being just and act upon it. Until all the punishment has been completed, the person is to consider themselves as sinful and their sins as not having been forgiven. After completing the punishment, Karah Parshad is to be prepared and an Ardas is to be performed. That person can then consider themselves as forgiven and can become one of the Panj Pyare in future Amrit ceremonies. Those taking Amrit for the first time do not get punished for their past sins/mistakes Unquote[1] [1] - DDT Rehat Maryada (one of Sikh codes of conduct) Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina Kaur Bains Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 5 hours ago, paapiman said: Quote In the presence of the Panj Pyare and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee appropriate punishment is ordained for any sins commited, but even the most serious sins are forgiven. The person who comes and begs for forgiveness is not punished in the afterlife in the Court of God and Dharamraj (Vaaheguroo’s Judge) cannot punish that person. If the person does not admit to their sins here, then they will get punished in God’s Court and may have to go through various life-form’s, births and deaths as punishment. The person that retakes Amrit is to accept the punishment ordained, as being just and act upon it. Until all the punishment has been completed, the person is to consider themselves as sinful and their sins as not having been forgiven. After completing the punishment, Karah Parshad is to be prepared and an Ardas is to be performed. That person can then consider themselves as forgiven and can become one of the Panj Pyare in future Amrit ceremonies. Those taking Amrit for the first time do not get punished for their past sins/mistakes Unquote[1] [1] - DDT Rehat Maryada (one of Sikh codes of conduct) Bhul chuk maaf WJKK WJKF - which of the many Rehat Maryadas is this quote taken from ? Subsequently, what does it say on the formation of the 5 pyara and the qualities, education and expereince they should possess to a minimum ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted November 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 18 hours ago, Tina Kaur Bains said: WJKK WJKF - which of the many Rehat Maryadas is this quote taken from ? Subsequently, what does it say on the formation of the 5 pyara and the qualities, education and expereince they should possess to a minimum ? Damdami Taksaal Rehat Maryada. Please see below for the full Rehat. http://www.damdamitaksaal.org/code-of-conduct Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasperS Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 How does excommunication fit into this? Obviously we have sins which go beyond being forgiven if someone is excommunicated. Is excommunication even part of Sikhi? If so, then not all sins are forgiven. We have an example of excommunication: In 1661, his eldest son and celebrated scholar Ram Rai (son of Guru Har Rai Sahib) was sent to the court of Emperor Aurangzeb for rendering explanation of certain hymns misunderstood by the Mughal Durbar. Instead of doing justice to the theme as contained in a Shabad, he avoided facing a debate and replaced while quoting from Guru Granth Sahib only one word. When Guru Har Rai Sahib learnt about this, he asked his son not to show his face and also instructed the Sikhs not to have any worldly terms with him and his people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liv Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 On 11/11/2016 at 0:52 AM, Tina Kaur Bains said: WJKK WJKF - interesting listen. However, sadly why do I feel I have never actually met any persons truly representing Panj Pyare across UK, India or Canada. Breaking it down as in katha above, I truly believe the 5 Pyare are embodiment of such distinguished qualities that are NOT humanly possible to achieve to completion - so why do we get men dressed up representing such distinguished qualities ? 1. Daya - merciful, kind, compassionate 2. Dharam - righteous living 3. Himmat - courageous 4. Muhkam - steadfast 5. Sahib - masterly / lordly Surely we should be confessing to the qualities not the people trying to represent the qualities. As this is what I feel Japji Sahib refers to. Bhul Chuk Maaf Mere Waheguru The panj pyareh are such souls who are willing to give their head for their Guru. Yep. Rare indeed. Then and perhaps now. But the Guru has always operated on a "quality not quantity" basis...... :D I really like how you've spelt out the 'qualities' from the names bestowed on the 5 sacred ones on that fateful blessed day... If only we could all start at 1.... compassion and peace first! (agreed getting dressed up for the sake of looking like a character...is not the way to roll.... ) Authenticity is ....but the only way... and it is a complex, challenging and difficult situation we are in.. having said that ... we are in Kaljug... lol... so.. the battle is on ;) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tva prasad Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 On 17/11/2016 at 1:26 AM, JasperS said: How does excommunication fit into this? Obviously we have sins which go beyond being forgiven if someone is excommunicated. Is excommunication even part of Sikhi? If so, then not all sins are forgiven. We have an example of excommunication: In 1661, his eldest son and celebrated scholar Ram Rai (son of Guru Har Rai Sahib) was sent to the court of Emperor Aurangzeb for rendering explanation of certain hymns misunderstood by the Mughal Durbar. Instead of doing justice to the theme as contained in a Shabad, he avoided facing a debate and replaced while quoting from Guru Granth Sahib only one word. When Guru Har Rai Sahib learnt about this, he asked his son not to show his face and also instructed the Sikhs not to have any worldly terms with him and his people. actually I read in ddt rehitnama that if such a person takes amrit and keeps full rehit they can b associated with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurmit87 Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 Can I confess my sins? I used to indulge in homosexual activities as I didnt have a strong father figure growing up. Now that I am trying to strengthen my spirit there are times I fall and go back to my old ways of watching porn and self-pleasure. I feel that I cannot sleep with a man now but the mind is still stuck in the past because the battle is firece as I took drugs. And when i feel sad, the urges kick in and is linked to my homosexual past and i just watch porn yet again. I am unable to kick the habit fully and would like to confess to someone. Please help me 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 10:57 AM, Gurmit87 said: Can I confess my sins? I used to indulge in homosexual activities as I didnt have a strong father figure growing up. Now that I am trying to strengthen my spirit there are times I fall and go back to my old ways of watching porn and self-pleasure. I feel that I cannot sleep with a man now but the mind is still stuck in the past because the battle is firece as I took drugs. And when i feel sad, the urges kick in and is linked to my homosexual past and i just watch porn yet again. I am unable to kick the habit fully and would like to confess to someone. Please help me wjkk wjkf Are you based in the West? Are you an Amritdhari? Do you do Naam Simran? Are you an Homosexual or a Bisexual? Are you not at all attracted to beautiful women? It is great that you have dropped the idea of having sex with a man. If you are an Homosexual, then, as a practicing Sikh, you will have to practice celibacy. Do you still consume drugs? Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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