Alcohol - The Cursed Drink

[paapiman]

In the katha below by Gyani Inderjit Singh jee Raqbewale, he talks very briefly about how Alcohol is a cursed drink. Is anyone aware of the detailed version of this tale? If so, please do post it. 

Thanks a lot.

Please start listening after 30:40 min:

http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/02_Present_Day_Katha/Sant_Giani_Inderjeet_Singh_(Raqbe_wale)/Sri_Gurpartap_Sooraj_Parkash_Katha/07_Sri_Guru_Har_Rai_Ji/Giani.Inderjeet.Singh.(Raqbe.wale)--Sooraj.Parkash.Katha.-.Ras.09.Adhyai.21.-.Sarmad.-.1996-03-18.mp3

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[mrhsinghk]

Here is another but different Saakhi i found related 

http://kam1825.podbean.com/e/akhbars-previous-life/

[paapiman]

12 hours ago, mrhsinghk said:

Here is another but different Saakhi i found related 

http://kam1825.podbean.com/e/akhbars-previous-life/

Interesting to note that even though Islam strictly forbids alcohol, both these personalities had to be born in Muslim families, due to consumption of alcohol in their previous lives.

Does anyone know why that would be?

 

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[paapiman]

In the clip below, Sant Gyani Gurbachan Singh jee Khalsa Bhindranwale explains why alcohol is prohibited in Sikhism. Some Sikhs had asked Sri Satguru jee (Third Master) about what will happen to those people who drink alcohol. Maharaaj replied them via Gurbani. 

Sant jee also does the anthirv arths associated with those verses.

 

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[Soulfinder]

On 14/02/2018 at 10:55 PM, paapiman said:

In the clip below, Sant Gyani Gurbachan Singh jee Khalsa Bhindranwale explains why alcohol is prohibited in Sikhism. Some Sikhs had asked Sri Satguru jee (Third Master) about what will happen to those people who drink alcohol. Maharaaj replied them via Gurbani. 

Sant jee also does the anthirv arths associated with those verses.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Veer ji Baba Ji's katha is the best thanks for sharing

[paapiman]

On 2/27/2017 at 4:57 AM, paapiman said:

In the katha below by Gyani Inderjit Singh jee Raqbewale, he talks very briefly about how Alcohol is a cursed drink. Is anyone aware of the detailed version of this tale? If so, please do post it. 

Alcohol has been cursed by Shukaracharya (the guru of the demons). Please listen to Gyani Inderjeet Singh jee Raqbewale for the events which led to the curse.

 

 

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[Soulfinder]

5 hours ago, paapiman said:

Alcohol has been cursed by Shukaracharya (the guru of the demons). Please listen to Gyani Inderjeet Singh jee Raqbewale for the events which led to the curse.

 

 

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Very good find veer ji. Here is another katha links i found by Sant Kartar Singh Ji and Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindrawale on sharaab.

 

[Soulfinder]

Here is a hard message by Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Ji Bhindrawale on amritdhari who drinks sharaab.

 

[Soulfinder]

 

[tva prasad]

Krishan ji also cursed alcohol, as the yadavs killed each other after drinking it. I think it's mentioned in Mahabharat.

[paapiman]

On 7/14/2018 at 8:49 AM, paapiman said:

Alcohol has been cursed by Shukaracharya (the guru of the demons). Please listen to Gyani Inderjeet Singh jee Raqbewale for the events which led to the curse.

 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

@Soulfinder - Thanks bro.

 

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[Soulfinder]

1 hour ago, paapiman said:

@Soulfinder - Thanks bro.

 

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[paapiman]

@dalsingh101 @GurjantGnostic - Alcohol consumption has been allowed for Sikhs, before entering a battlefield. Other than that, it is strictly prohibited.

The below is from Bhai Desa Singh Rehatnama.

Please read the First line in the image below.

 

 

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[dalsingh101]

1 minute ago, paapiman said:

@dalsingh101 @GurjantGnostic - Alcohol consumption has been allowed for Sikhs, before entering a battlefield. Other than that, it is strictly prohibited.

The below is from Bhai Desa Singh Rehatnama.

Please read the First line in the image below.

 

 

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I might be wrong, but I think Prem Sumarag says something similar??

[paapiman]

7 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

I might be wrong, but I think Prem Sumarag says something similar??

Gurparsaad, Daas will check it out later.

Based on this Rehatnama (Bhai Desa Singh), it should not be a big surprise that one of the greatest warriors of the Misal period, Sardar Charat Singh Sukarchakia (grandfather of M.Ranjit Singh) was a heavy drinker. He probably got addicted to it.

 

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[dalsingh101]

8 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Gurparsaad, Daas will check it out later.

Based on this Rehatnama (Bhai Desa Singh), it should not be a big surprise that one of the greatest warriors of the Misal period, Sardar Charat Singh Sukarchakia (grandfather of M.Ranjit Singh) was a heavy drinker. He probably got addicted to it.

 

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Nah I think it was probably just a Panjabi cultural overspill into the panth. 

Notice the following about Desa Singh:

Against eating fish or meat (line 25)

Very rigid on caste marriage (28/29)

Anti halal, hookah, cannabis resin (charas), tobacco, ganja and intoxicants in general. (30)

But then strangely goes on to say a strict Singh can take opium and bhang?? (31)

Also says jhatka'd goat is only meat allowed? (32)

 

[dalsingh101]

55 minutes ago, paapiman said:

@dalsingh101 @GurjantGnostic - Alcohol consumption has been allowed for Sikhs, before entering a battlefield. Other than that, it is strictly prohibited.

The below is from Bhai Desa Singh Rehatnama.

Please read the First line in the image below.

 

 

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Desa Singh rahit seems inconsistent about meat and alcohol, look at line 102??

[paapiman]

7 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

Desa Singh rahit seems inconsistent about meat and alcohol, look at line 102??

That's part of Langar Bidhi.

The Singh(s) who prepare Degh must never consume Alcohol and Meat.

 

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[paapiman]

11 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

Desa Singh rahit seems inconsistent about meat and alcohol, look at line 102??

Alcohol can only be consumed before going for a battle. Other than that, it seems to be strictly prohibited in this Rehatnama.

 

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[dalsingh101]

2 minutes ago, paapiman said:

That's part of Langar Bidhi.

The Singh(s) who prepare Degh must never consume Alcohol and Meat.

 

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Looks at lines 103/104, do they seem strange to you? 

[paapiman]

1 minute ago, dalsingh101 said:

Looks at lines 103/104, do they seem strange to you? 

Line 103 seems to be going against Gurmat.

Was Bhai Desa Singh jee from a Brahman caste? Bhai Prahlaad Singh jee (who also wrote a Rehatnama) was probably a Brahman Sikh.

Bhai Chaupa Singh jee was also a Brahman Sikh.

 

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[GurjantGnostic]

5 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Alcohol can only be consumed before going for a battle. Other than that, it seems to be strictly prohibited in this Rehatnama.

 

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That's the only case I could see condoning anyone do it and even then only the ones who are mentally so shutdown they aren't functioning. I personally would like my mind immersed in Naam Jaap and not be drunk if I Shaheed. 

Not everyone's mind is capable of war without something. 

I would use Saheed Degh and Bhang before, during and after. 

I would only touch afeem if I was so horrendously messed up I couldn't focus on Naam Simran. 

[dalsingh101]

3 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Line 103 seems to be going against Gurmat.

Was Bhai Desa Singh jee from a Brahman caste? Bhai Prahlaad Singh jee (who also wrote a Rehatnama) was probably a Brahman Sikh.

Bhai Chaupa Singh jee was also a Brahman Sikh.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Don't know. 

[Ragmaala]

13 hours ago, paapiman said:

Alcohol consumption has been allowed for Sikhs, before entering a battlefield. Other than that, it is strictly prohibited

This does not make sense and it utterly ridiculous imo. Alcohol, even one small drink, increases the GABA , inhibitory neurotransmitter in brain which causes delayed reflexes, motor in coordination, affects your cerebellum which causes imbalance. 
 

As Dal pointed out there are so many inconsistencies. It will only create confusion. Keep it simple. Derive inspiration from your recent Shaheeds like Sant Jarnail Singh Ji. He did not do jhatka to attain bir rass, he did not use afeem or sukha, nor did he drink alcohol before going into battle. He had the power of Naam and Japji Sahib.

Being a Shaheed is not easy. Even if you die in dharam yudh but in your last thoughts your mind is not engrossed in Naam, you will not attain full shaheedi. I will give an example. When Panja Sahib Saka happened, devotees came to Baba Nand Singh and told about the saka how many sikhs got shaheed. Baba Nand Singh ji took a sigh and said in their last moments of death they had feelings of regret, why did they have to die like this, hence their shaheedi was not parvan. Only a Antaryami Brahmgiani can know about the real truth. 
 

imo only the cowards would use alcohol. The real shaheeds like Guru Arjan Dev Ji, Guru Teg Bahadur Ji, Bhai Matidas, Bhai Sati das, Bhai Dyala ji and countless other Singhs are not scared of death. They find it as an opportunity to wed with God. So alcohol to calm your senses or fear before battle does not make sense.

 

[Ragmaala]

On 9/23/2018 at 8:29 PM, tva prasad said:

Krishan ji also cursed alcohol, as the yadavs killed each other after drinking it. I think it's mentioned in Mahabharat.

If you read Krishanavtar, you will find a lot about a particular drink which they drank after having won the battles and for recreation . Not sure if it was alcohol or something else, translation varies.