No Mind

[Sat1176]

" Dialogue between GurPita Jaswant Singh Ji and seekers "

Jaswant Singh Ji:
“All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain? “

Seaker:
as long the mind is telling that there is a need of transformation and thus what is wrong and what is right, still it is in the circle of mind... and after some days of rigorous effort(so called), mind will say, "transformed". "thought" will overcome the "thought". hehehehehe ..... As long as there is "measurement" as wrong-doing or right-doing, there is a "mind". heheheheh so how can a mind measure "Budhha"??

Jaswant Singh Ji:
It sounds very smart but mind never tells that it needs a change. So stop setting up circular logic problems. There is some thing behind the mind watching every thing. If you insist on using your mind then ask your mind who is behind all of the observations of the mind.

Seaker:
if mind never tells...... then who is telling "All wrong-doing arises because of mind"? and who is telling " There is some thing behind the mind watching every thing"? is there really "something" hidden? or a thought overcomes a 'thought'?

people are saying 'pure consciousness'........ the writer is eager to know 'Impure Consciousness'?

Jaswant Singh Ji:
An enlightened mind loses all urges and reaches the state of no-mind. All duality disappears along with all questions. Mind can not comprehend no-mind state. It has to be experienced.
I will try once again to help. consciousness is always pure, mind is not. Consciousness has no duality, but mind survives due to duality. Transcending the mind means getting in touch with your pure consciousness. You are deliberately going in circles by not reading carefully. Let me repeat Mind can not comprehend no-mind state. It has to be experienced. The ability to argue is not a sign of wisdom, it only shows cleverness. HE, HIM is used for the creative energy of every thing, also called pure consciousness. It is the observer behind all observations. HE tells the mind to change and HE decides when it has. Learn to be contemplative and meditative and avoid arguments for the sake of it.
all questions rise out of unenlightened mind. Enlightened-mind is an oxymoron. Enlightened means state of no mind, hence no questions or answers, just only observation without any judgement, just "Is-ness". Presence of any question automatically negates enlightenment because it means the mind is alive and well and back to doing its tricks.

Seaker:
Respected Sir, Last questions out of my curiosity/argument: Is the speaker "enlightened"? Is the speaker really believes that there is some "HE" which controls his mind?

Jaswant Singh Ji:
Mind belongs to the individual. Controlling/not controlling the mind is the choice for the individual to make, if and when HE is heard and followed by the individual. Enlightenment is another word for the state of no-mind. HE has no reason to control an individual mind. If it was so, the law of free-will will have no purpose. All individual minds are free to choose. Their choices determine the drama of their life. Those who choose to free themselves from the drama, they start working on the transformation of their mind to reach the state of no-mind. Just as silence can not be declared, same way enlightenment is not declared. Rather it is demonstrated by actions, behavior, and way of life.

Seaker:
Respected Sir, If there is really a law of free-will, then y there are so called religious organizations/communes? Why the Gurus are preaching the "path" for this "pathless" process?

Jaswant Singh Ji:
all of them are giving you choices so that you can freely choose according to your pleasure. No one is hanging a sword over your head for any specific choice including those preaching the "path" for this "pathless" process. They are just choices, not dictates one must follow.

Seaker:
But how can say I(the Mind) choose the suitable Guru/An Organization(A no-Mind state), as the speaker said earlier that mind cant comprehends no-mind.

Jaswant Singh Ji:
this is a very good question and you are absolutely right. In reality "Mind" never chooses "No-Mind". It is an illusion created due to the trap of the language. It is always "No-Mind" recognizing the "Mind" which is internally yearning for the guidance of "No-Mind". It is at this stage HE sets the events leading to the meeting of the two and the spiritual training of the "Mind" starts. Since both HE and "No-Mind" are operating behind the curtain and only "Mind" is visible to the outsider, this illusion is created and we start saying "Mind" chose the "No-Mind" or a Sikh chose the Guru. The reality is exactly opposite. A disciple can never choose a master because he/she has no tools to recognize the master. Only master can choose a disciple since he/she can see if the disciple is ready for the discipline required for the journey.

Seaker:
Is this means the speaker is saying that there are three... a seeker, a guru and HE? and the HE is a supreme authority i.e. "The event manager"? Also, is the speaker saying that transformation towards No-Mind is a time-bound(or step-by-step) process and the "Master" is essential?

Jaswant Singh Ji:
Yes to all

Seaker:
but the speaker has said, " HE has no reason to control an individual mind. If it was so, the law of free-will will have no purpose".... thus, it seems the law of free-will is being abolished by the "HE" and "guru" as well.

Jaswant Singh Ji:
That is a completely false conclusion drawn by a very faulty reasoning process. Both HE and Guru become active only because of the burning need of transformation. The law of free-will is completely in tact all through the process. Having started the transformation, one can change his/her mind at any time and stop or change the whole thing. There is absolutely no inevitability or compulsion at any point in the whole journey.

Seaker #2:
@Seaker #1 hi sorry for intruding but after reading all the comments I have concluded that there is some mismatching of perspectives, you cannot communicate when you are speaking chinese and the other person is speaking korean, although both languages are perfect for communication. So my advise is to try some chinese tutorials. no offense

Seaker:
Respected Sir, there are so many gurus/gospels for the respected religions viz. The Buddha/Dhampada for Buddhists, The Nanak/Japuji for Sikhs, Lao tzu/Tao te ching for Taoists, Krishna/Gita for Hindus, Jesus/Bible, etc. but still there is too much Misery, Pain, grief, competition, distrust, violence, etc in each and every part of this world. It seems, ironically, people are more divided. Why the "Guru" and HE are waiting for that burning need?

Jaswant Singh Ji:
Seaker #1, Seaker #2 is right. I am going away for some Chinese tutorials. For the last time; Misery, Pain, grief, competition, distrust, violence, etc is all a part of the game called life where every thing exists in duality, positive and negative both. Human keeps on insisting that he needs only a rose and not its thorns. But a rose is there precisely because the thorn is there with it. One can not exist without the other. Try writing a drama without introducing villain along with a hero. Once you can see this eternal truth, your burning need to get out of this duality will become very intense and then HE will introduce you to your Guru.

Seaker:
Respected Sir, u shud not go anywhere as the people are in need. The seeker is going. Thank you for the long discussion and sparing a good time for it. Take care.

 

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[Sat1176]

Tis ......GUR..... ka-o ....SIMRA-O....... saas... saas.

(The soul that reaches the second stage of meditation(Simran) is now saying and hearing the NAME of the LORD with each and every breath thru the inner tongue and inner ears (Mind).
GUR mayray paraan .........SATGUR mayree raas. ||1|| rahaa-o.
(Now the soul can not live without the second stage of meditation and every time the awareness of simran is not there, the soul feels like the jest of life itself is missing......As the journey thru simran becomes purer, the glimpse of SATGUR (The absolute stillness of the mind) are experienced and the TRUTH that lies beyond the realms of mind, starts to become clearer and clearer.)
||1||Pause....&....Ponder||
Page.....239.....5th GurPitaJi

[Sat1176]

SHABAD GURU..............
SURAT DHUNN CHELLA............
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Who is the Guru/Master?
And who is the Chella/apprentice?
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The SHABAD/WORD that refers to the Ultimate Creative Energy is the Guru/Master of us all. There is only ONE, need to have two to name each other. Therefor only a Word as a language can be used to refer to the ONE. Any word is correct as a Guru as long as it refers to the Ultimate Creative Energy.
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SURAT/Consciousness is the student/Apprentice. Surat refers to the energy inside that breathes, observes, etc. DHUNN means the melody/rhythm. When the SURAT/Consciousness is 100% attentive to the rhythm of the WORD that is being said during the meditation, it now becomes a true student/Chella.

1st GurrPita Nanak Dev Ji