Quotes from AMRIT BANI

[Lucky]

@harsharan000 and @Sikhilove

Interesting topic. Without butting into a debate, I have to say that as per my understanding of "truthful living" and good deeds; I would agree with @harsharan000 .

@Sikhilove,  let me explain below on why I come to this conclusion.

Doing good deeds falls under the umbrella of Satogun behavior.. Remember that maya is divided into tamogun, rajogun and satogun. >the 3 gunas of maya..  Since maya is the creative illusion, it is also in a continuous flux of motion. Sometimes we call it Kaal's desh since this motion is relative to Time and Space.  However, it is not the Satch or absolute truth.  Yet, we also know that the Satcha Nirankar exists among us in this illusion, therefore we can say that elements of the ultimate truth are within maya but that doesn't mean that the satch is maya..    You following what i mean?

Now, the shabad you quoted above and similar shabads, all have to be taken in context to the message of Sat within the shabad..  Let's have a look at the one you quoted......

ਮੇਰਾ ਮਨੋ ਮੇਰਾ ਮਨੁ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਸਾਚੁ ਸਮਾਲੇ ਰਾਮ ॥
Merā mano merā man nirmal sācẖ samāle rām.
My mind, my mind has become immaculately pure, contemplating the True Lord.

ਅਵਗਣ ਮੇਟਿ ਚਲੇ ਗੁਣ ਸੰਗਮ ਨਾਲੇ ਰਾਮ ॥
Avgaṇ met cẖale guṇ sangam nāle rām.
I have dispelled my vices, and now I walk in the company of the virtuous.
 

ਅਵਗਣ ਪਰਹਰਿ ਕਰਣੀ ਸਾਰੀ ਦਰਿ ਸਚੈ ਸਚਿਆਰੋ ॥
Avgaṇ parhar karṇī sārī ḏar sacẖai sacẖi▫āro.
Discarding my vices, I do good deeds, and in the True Court, I am judged as true.
 

ਆਵਣੁ ਜਾਵਣੁ ਠਾਕਿ ਰਹਾਏ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਤਤੁ ਵੀਚਾਰੋ ॥
Āvaṇ jāvaṇ ṯẖāk rahā▫e gurmukẖ ṯaṯ vīcẖāro.
My coming and going has come to an end; as Gurmukh, I reflect upon the nature of reality.
 

ਸਾਜਨੁ ਮੀਤੁ ਸੁਜਾਣੁ ਸਖਾ ਤੂੰ ਸਚਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਵਡਿਆਈ ॥
Sājan mīṯ sujāṇ sakẖā ṯūʼn sacẖ milai vadi▫ā▫ī.
O my Dear Friend, You are my all-knowing companion; grant me the glory of Your True Name.

I'll elaborate a little further as per my understanding.-  In this context, the key and root of shabad is the first pangtee.  "My mind, my mind has become immaculately pure,"  Shabad mentions of how the Mann has been purified. Further, it goes on to say... since it is now purified (via simran), I can dispel my vices (ie. the 5 chor)     

NOTE- one can only beat the 5 chor once the veils and dirt have been removed from the Mind.  Yes, by doing satogun deeds we can dodge and maneuver around the dhoots, but you won't actually be able to conquer them unless the Mann has been purified by Naam simran.  Why? because then the game gets governed by Naam,

The important point I'm trying to make is that  the goal is to purify the mann. The mann needs to be purifed enough so that Naam can become manifest. Once naam is pargat, then you can proceed towards revealing the mann's jyot (mann tu jyot swaroop hai).   I firmly believe and understand that the mann won't be purified enough (ie. to get naam) by doing satogunni good deeds alone.  Hope you follow what I'm saying here?

 

 

 

 

[ragnarok]

In terms of doing good deeds alone, would like to add that without naam the fruit of these can be stolen or lost:

 

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Karam dharam pakhand jo deeseh tin jam jaagaatee lootai.

Whereas with naam:

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Je Sadhu Gobind Bhajan Kirtan Nanak Neet, na hau na tu na nikat na jayo doot

and also

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Tir kar baiso Harjan pyaray
Satgur tumray kaaj svaray. Rahao
Dust doot parmesar maray
Jan ki paij rakhi kartaray.

Simran isn't something you just 'sit at home' and do, when you walk in hukam everything is simran, every thought and deed.

If it's your hukam to sit in a cave and meditate that's fine, and if it's your hukam to be a householder and gregarious that's also fine. Everyon'es path is different, Guru Nanak's way has no dogma because once the Sikh discovers hukam they learn to follow their unique path.

 

[harsharan000]

23 hours ago, Lucky said:

 

Interesting topic. Without butting into a debate, I have to say that as per my understanding of "truthful living" and good deeds; I would agree with @harsharan000 .

 

SSA Lucky Jee,

no worries for anything at all, you are always welcome to share your views just as anybody else.

You see, one can never ever force one´s views on anybody, for after all everbody has his/her own personal consciouss level, thus howsoever hard one may try, the other person will simply reject.

So no need for hard words, but as this an public forum, one should be careful with what one says, as many may get to beileve what they may see or read at a particular time which maybe  absolutely imperfect or incomplete.

That is why if I see something like that, I try to give my 2 cents, which maybe not acceptable to that OP in his/her thread, but for all those who may read or come across at any time.

I just give my opinion where I think fit  just as anybody else can do so and leave it, without any expectations, or something personal to convince anybody, for from my personal experience I can assure that nobody can ever make anybody understand something, if that person is not at that consciouss level at that time, maybe after some time ...maybe, who knows?  

SSA.

[harsharan000]

(869-9)
kar namaskaar pooray gurdayv.
Humbly bow to the Perfect  Guru

 (869-9)
safal moorat safal jaa kee sayv.
Fruitful is His image, and fruitful is service to Him.

(869-9)
antarjaamee purakh biDhaataa.
He is the Inner-knower, the Searcher of hearts, the Architect of Destiny.

(869-9)
aath pahar naam rang raataa. ||1||
Twenty-four hours a day, he remains imbued with the love of the Naam, the Name of the Lord. ||1||

 

*For those who think Nam japna is a minor or insignificant mode of devotion to be performed , Guru Jee tells us in the above verses that even the Divine Guru, none other than He Himself, is lovingly absorbed all the 24 hours in the meditative state on Nam.

Mahima on the love and devotion to Nam simran is apaar in Gurbani, yet we take it lightly or push it  back as something secondary when it comes in terms of our devotion towards Him.

[harsharan000]

ਦੁਆਰਹਿਦੁਆਰਿਸੁਆਨਜਿਉਡੋਲਤਨਹਸੁਧਰਾਮਭਜਨਕੀ॥੧॥

Dhuaarehi Dhuaar Suaan Jio Ddolath Neh Sudhh Raam Bhajan Kee ||1||

You wander from door to door like a dog, unconscious of the Lord's meditation. ||1||

 

ਮਾਨਸਜਨਮਅਕਾਰਥਖੋਵਤਲਾਜਨਲੋਕਹਸਨਕੀ॥

Maanas Janam Akaarathh Khovath Laaj N Lok Hasan Kee ||

You lose this human life in vain, and You are not even ashamed when others laugh at you.

 

ਨਾਨਕਹਰਿਜਸੁਕਿਉਨਹੀਗਾਵਤਕੁਮਤਿਬਿਨਾਸੈਤਨਕੀ॥੨॥੧॥੨੩੩॥

Naanak Har Jas Kio Nehee Gaavath Kumath Binaasai Than Kee ||2||1||233||

O Nanak, why not sing the Lord's Praises, so that you may be rid of the body's evil disposition? ||2||1||233||

[harsharan000]

 

Regarding the supreme and sole importance of Nam in our lives, following are some priceless sat bachans from Guru Jee:

ਬਿਨੁਨਾਵੈਸੂਤਕੁਜਗਿਛੋਤਿ॥

Bin Naavai Soothak Jag Shhoth ||

बिनु नावै सूतकु जगि छोति ॥

Without the Name, the world (all and everything in it) is defiled and untouchable.

 

[harsharan000]

ਬਿਨੁਨਾਵੈਕਿਆਲਹਸਿਨਿਦਾਨਿ॥੬॥

Bin Naavai Kiaa Lehas Nidhaan ||6||

Without the Name, what can the fool obtain? 

*To those who try to reach the Lord with all other practices but not Nam, Guru Jee calls them fools, for they can at most obtain Swarg or Baikunth, but not the realm of the True Lord Waheguru.

[harsharan000]

 

Q)Dear Guru Jee, what ardaas should one place before Him?

A)Listen carefully my dear sikh:

 

ਹਰਿਜੀਉਆਗੈਕਰੀਅਰਦਾਸਿ॥

Har Jeeo Aagai Karee Aradhaas ||

I offer that prayer to the Lord,

 

ਸਾਧੂਜਨਸੰਗਤਿਹੋਇਨਿਵਾਸੁ॥

Saadhhoo Jan Sangath Hoe Nivaas ||

That I might dwell in the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy.

 

ਕਿਲਵਿਖਦੁਖਕਾਟੇਹਰਿਨਾਮੁਪ੍ਰਗਾਸੁ॥੯॥

Kilavikh Dhukh Kaattae Har Naam Pragaas ||9||

For there, sins and sufferings are erased, and one is illumined with the Lord's Name. ||9||

[harsharan000]

 

Q) Dear Guru Jee, please tell us  how can we please You?

A) dear sikh, listen carefully and keep it fixed in your mind at all times:

ਜੋਸਾਸਿਗਿਰਾਸਿਧਿਆਏਮੇਰਾਹਰਿਹਰਿਸੋਗੁਰਸਿਖੁਗੁਰੂਮਨਿਭਾਵੈ॥

Jo Saas Giraas Dhhiaaeae Maeraa Har Har So Gurasikh Guroo Man Bhaavai ||

One who meditates on my Lord, Har, Har, with every breath and every morsel of food - that GurSikh becomes pleasing to the Guru's Mind.

 

*Note: here Guru Jee is telling us that if we want to please Him, we should remember Him at all times through His simran. 

Yet sadly many arise questions by saying it is foolish in engaging in this highest devotion as regarded by Guru Jee.

What a pitiful scene, they who say such nonsense themselves are blind and lead others to the dark pitch of deep ignorance.

 

 

[harsharan000]

 

Q) Dear Guru Jee how can I wash my sins?

A) dear sikh, listen carefully and follow it implicitly if you want to become clean and pure:

 

ਅਵਰੁਨਅਉਖਧੁਤੰਤਨਮੰਤਾ॥

Avar N Aoukhadhh Thanth N Manthaa ||

There is no other medicine, Tantric charm or mantra.

 

ਹਰਿਹਰਿਸਿਮਰਣੁਕਿਲਵਿਖਹੰਤਾ॥

Har Har Simaran Kilavikh Hanthaa ||

For meditative remembrance alone upon the Lord, Har, Har, destroys sins.

[harsharan000]

 

Q), Guru Jee, I desire to see Him, what should I do?

A) Please  listen carefully:

 

ਰਾਮੁਜਪਹੁਮੇਰੀਸਖੀਸਖੈਨੀ॥

Raam Japahu Maeree Sakhee Sakhainee ||

Meditate on the Lord by repeating His name, O my friends and companions.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁਸੇਵਿਦੇਖਹੁਪ੍ਰਭੁਨੈਨੀ॥੧॥ਰਹਾਉ॥

Sathigur Saev Dhaekhahu Prabh Nainee ||1|| Rehaao ||

for by devoting yourself as prescribed by the Guru, you shall behold God with your eyes. 

[harsharan000]

 

Q) Dear Sachay Patshah, how would you summarize the essence of true spirituality in a single verse for a limited manmukh like me?

A) ਮੈਇਕੁਨਾਮੁਨਵੀਸਰੈਸਾਚੇਗੁਰਬੁਧਿ॥੨॥

Mai Eik Naam N Veesarai Saachae Gur Budhh ||2||

May I never forget the Naam, the Name of the One Lord. This is the wisdom of the True Guru. ||2||

[SunnySingh]

On 10/26/2020 at 10:32 PM, harsharan000 said:

 

Q) Dear Sachay Patshah, how would you summarize the essence of true spirituality in a single verse for a limited manmukh like me?

A) ਮੈਇਕੁਨਾਮੁਨਵੀਸਰੈਸਾਚੇਗੁਰਬੁਧਿ॥੨॥

Mai Eik Naam N Veesarai Saachae Gur Budhh ||2||

May I never forget the Naam, the Name of the One Lord. This is the wisdom of the True Guru. ||2||

Bro, I just love your posts, for bringing out the best contents related to pure spirituality from the perspective of  sikhee or Gurbani.

Please keep it up.

[Lucky]

@Sikhilove

I wanted to know if you understood my earlier post?  I don't mind trying to delve into further depths of gurbani so that we can discuss and show why I agreed with @harsharan000  ji's earlier posts explaining why doing good deeds alone contributes to fulfilling karams and not naam kamaye of sacha jeevan -truthful living. I believe it's imperative to understand and differentiate between what karams and naam kamayee are.so that one can start climbing the pauris as per gurbani.

 

 

[harsharan000]

 

Q) Dearest Guru Jee, why is it that if throughout Gurbani supreme importance of devotion of Nam bhakti is told us to be practiced, yet people try so many ways mainly due accordingly to their understanding and perception of what bhakti is all about ?

 

A) Dear sikh, please do understand that absolutely nobody can do this pure and highest bhakti of Nam by themselves, as seen in the following verse of Sree Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj:

ਜਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਆਪਨ ਨਾਇ ਲਾਵੈ ॥

Jis Bhaavai This Aapan Naae Laavai ||

He attaches whomever He pleases to His Name.

 

*It is absolutely in His hands, that to whom He wants to pull back to Himself,  He attaches that jeev atma into the bhakti of His holy Name.

Others will just swim above it, or find it boring and ignore it.

[harsharan000]

Q) Dear Guru Jee, after giving us the sat gyan through the Bani out of Your apaar grace, is there anything which You would like to tell me and give me as your parsad in simple words?

A) Yes my dear sikh, leave everything aside if you want to meet and see me in my true Shabad roop within, faithfully  keep in mind this my hukum at all times:

ਏਕੋ ਨਾਮੁ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਹੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਦੀਆ ਬੁਝਾਇ ਜੀਉ ॥੫॥

Eaeko Naam Hukam Hai Naanak Sathigur Dheeaa Bujhaae Jeeo ||5||

The One Name is the Lord's Command; O Nanak, the True Guru has given me this understanding. ||5||

 

 

[harsharan000]

 

 

Q) Dearest Guru Jee, how to recognize His grace on someone, I mean, what are the signs of that His blessings?

A) Indeed a avery good question my dear sikh, please listen carefully :

ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰੇ ਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਲੇ ਸੋ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥

Jis No Kirapaa Karae Gur Maelae So Har Har Naam Samaal ||

Those whom the Lord  in His Mercy unites with the Guru, reflect(meditate) upon the Name of the Lord, Har, Har.