Discussion: What the next generation need to do? Jagraj Singh (BoS)

[dalsingh101]

This video speaks of things that most apnay are too frightened (or ignorant) to face up to. I'd love for us to have a discussion of what Bhai Jagraj Singh talks about here. Especially in terms of his idea that we need to reprogram ourselves. What do people think of what he talks about here? I'd advise people to watch the whole video - what he says up to the very last sentence (and maybe especially the last sentences) seem very important in my opinion. 

 

[Jageera]

On 5/6/2019 at 8:20 PM, dalsingh101 said:

This video speaks of things that most apnay are too frightened (or ignorant) to face up to. I'd love for us to have a discussion of what Bhai Jagraj Singh talks about here. Especially in terms of his idea that we need to reprogram ourselves. What do people think of what he talks about here? I'd advise people to watch the whole video - what he says up to the very last sentence (and maybe especially the last sentences) seem very important in my opinion. 

 

Thanks Veerji for this video.Always nice to watch a video of Bhai Jagraj Singh.

I'm quite green on this issues but I do agree that we are more than just a bunch of bhangra dancers and pakoray eaters(not that there's anything wrong with that).

I believe for a community to be successful in the 21st century,the greatest weapon they need is education and financial power.It sounds cold but a rotting poor community is of no good to anyone and will encourage more oppression as others will think we are too weak to retaliate.Here I'm not talking about individual or family wealth but a sort of community chest that grows by the year to provide Sikh welfare,education,business and religious financial assistance or loans.

Why don't you give us some ideas and your own thoughts on how to reprogram ourself based on this video?

[chatanga1]

On 5/9/2019 at 10:48 AM, Jageera said:

I believe for a community to be successful in the 21st century,the greatest weapon they need is education and financial power.

Do you think that maybe we need to add political power to that as well? Sikhs in the UK are considered quite educated and financially strong, but we don't seem to get much else done here.

 

[Jageera]

Yes of course.Financial power without Political influence is useless.But to accumulate Political influence , Financial Power is necessary.Through political donations and sponsorships,fellowships,gala dinners etc, a small minority would be able to wield significance influence over a majority.

The issue is this has to be a concerted effort by influential and motivated people from the community who have the backing of the rest of the community.

the goal here would be for the betterment of the panth and not for personal or family gain like it is happening now.In the real world not everyone gets to be king,which is a problem we face where everyone wants to be dictating their own terms which is not in sync with the main agenda.

We need a clear operation hierarchy where everyone knows their role and fulfills it without stepping on the toes of others.

5 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

 Sikhs in the UK are considered quite educated and financially strong, but we don't seem to get much else done here.

The question to ask is what is being done with all that money?It mostly remains in private hands used to fund a few little private charities.Nothing major.Nothing overly political.Just usual charity or religious sponsorships etc.

There should be 1 entity or Mega fund that should be dedicated to realize certain missions and goals.A portion of Money from all other high income individuals or organizations can flow into this mega fund which in turn could finance lobbying groups etc.

As you say,they are quite educated and financially strong but at the moment they are scattered like sun rays.It's warm and you might get sun burnt but it can hardly do more damage than that.The best is to get concentrated and become like a laser ,that when pointed at a target it has the capability to bring the desired results.

[dalsingh101]

On 5/9/2019 at 10:48 AM, Jageera said:

Thanks Veerji for this video.Always nice to watch a video of Bhai Jagraj Singh.

I'm quite green on this issues but I do agree that we are more than just a bunch of bhangra dancers and pakoray eaters(not that there's anything wrong with that).

I believe for a community to be successful in the 21st century,the greatest weapon they need is education and financial power.It sounds cold but a rotting poor community is of no good to anyone and will encourage more oppression as others will think we are too weak to retaliate.Here I'm not talking about individual or family wealth but a sort of community chest that grows by the year to provide Sikh welfare,education,business and religious financial assistance or loans.

Why don't you give us some ideas and your own thoughts on how to reprogram ourself based on this video?

Well, Bhai ji hit the nail on the head that we have to look more closely at SGGS ji, DG and Bhai Gurdas's Vaars as well as puratan ithihaasic texts. The whole problem with the 'protestant' infiltration stemmed from colonialism and we have to take all that was written from that period VERY VERY carefully as a consequence, especially when it comes from sources that had accepted brit hegemony in the area. And a big part of that will involve textually criticising the literature produced during the Singh Sabha lehar which people are loathe to do. 

I think ground level strength is very important - we are already quite a prosperous and educated community in the UK, but get abused by lesser educated and poorer people because of their street level strength. 

Then we need to overcome the whole chaaploose mentality towards goray politically. We should learn that going to them for issues like 1984, Free Jaggi etc. is wasting our time and making us look weak and dumb. I think all the political games played during colonialism actually plays a big part in the stupid moves at politics by apnay we see in the UK. So questioning the past (colonial period) is directly related to freeing minds for the future - if that makes sense.  

[chatanga1]

17 hours ago, Jageera said:

The question to ask is what is being done with all that money?

Khalsa Aid if it's accounts are anything to go by, is hoarding over a million pounds, and if its charity work is anything to go by, is not interested in the Sikhs or Panjab by any noticeable margin.

Otherwise Gurdwaras are holding a lot of money but seem to be fixated on bricks and mortar development rather than anything else.

 

17 hours ago, Jageera said:

There should be 1 entity or Mega fund that should be dedicated to realize certain missions and goals.

In the UK, some people tried to set up a UK Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee. Unfortunately it morphed into the Sikh Council, which quite frankly was disappointing.

 

17 hours ago, Jageera said:

As you say,they are quite educated and financially strong but at the moment they are scattered like sun rays.

My parents generation certainly are. They don't really have a clue these days. But with our generation when the time comes, we will be better at organising and such.

[Jageera]

7 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

Khalsa Aid if it's accounts are anything to go by, is hoarding over a million pounds, and if its charity work is anything to go by, is not interested in the Sikhs or Panjab by any noticeable margin.

Hahahahaha, I was thinking about that outfit while typing that post.Specifically the story where they gave aid in the Middle East  to an area where the people were involved in the ethnic cleansing of the minority Yazidi community and the human trafficking and sexual slavery of Yazidi girls.So while the sons and husbands were busy committing genocide and rape,their families were being supplied with aid and food to further strengthen these terrorists all thanks to these virtue signallers.One of Putins bombs should have dropped on the founders thick skull to make him realize his stupidity.

These people will scream and shout "Sarbat Da Bhala" but they conveniently eject and reject their own Sikhs from "Sarbat".Why? Because when you help your own poor, suffering, marginalized and oppressed Sikhs, No International organizations or rich Oil Sheikhs will donate to your organization or pat you on the head saying "Good little hairy brown man".

https://www.scoopwhoop.com/khalsa-aid-came-to-the-aid-of-the-world/#.526yp8qm7

11 times they came to aid the world but not once to the Sikhs even when they use a Sikh name and Sikh logo on their Organization.And it seems they also are responsible for the influx of illegal middle eastern rapefugees into Europe.Bravo Singho!Doing their part to bring in more Legions of rapists and sexual groomers into Europe to realize the dream of the Caliphate of the Eurabian Union!

https://indianexpress.com/article/trending/trending-globally/khalsa-aid-gifts-quran-to-iraq-refugee-camp-during-ramadan-wins-hearts-online-5721172/

The comments on this article seem interesting.

[starchpagg47]

Join military we too low iq to be jewish billionaires.

Just have half world dependant on us as mercenaries and use momentum to take land.

[dalsingh101]

12 hours ago, starchpagg47 said:

Join military we too low iq to be jewish billionaires.

 

Yeah that worked real well for us after ww2...........

Yes, we should have quality military training in the panth, but not as some modern day sepoys in some foreign fauj. 

[Jageera]

12 hours ago, starchpagg47 said:

Join military we too low iq to be jewish billionaires.

What we don't have is unity and social network to give birth to many successful business people in our community. We are too busy stepping on each others head instead of dragging each other up,especially those who have the drive and know how to do so.

Having billionairres is not a must,but no doubt it is a huge advantage,especially Gursikh dasvandh giving and job creating  billionairres.

Instead the community can contribute monthly dasvandh to a national level financial institution created specifically to uplift and protect the Sikh community.This institution will invest money and try to make a profit. The profit will be used to fund social efforts such as charity,education,health,business loans/training,social issues(single mothers,addiction,domestic abuse etc) and a portion of yearly profits earned would be reinvested to grow the fund. A portion will be used to protect the community and tackle grooming and other crimes.Funds from here can be used for lobbying and political activism and raising awareness on issues faced by the community through different types of media,traditional and new media.

12 hours ago, starchpagg47 said:

Just have half world dependant on us as mercenaries and use momentum to take land.

No,we would just end up as cannon fodder fighting other peoples war just to receive a miserable salary and some shiny medals.Training and knowledge is a must and it can be achieved in many ways without being a permanent servant of NATO'S international Military-Industrial-Complex.This will just make many communities hate us for joining tyrannical military forces to oppress them and invading their countries.

Take land where exactly?

[Premi]