Popular Post chatanga1 Posted September 30, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 Chritar 105: Tale of Taas Beg ਚੌਪਈ ॥ Chaupaee ਅਲਿਮਰਦਾ ਕੌ ਸੁਤ ਇਕ ਰਹੈ ॥ ਤਾਸ ਬੇਗ ਨਾਮਾ ਜਗ ਕਹੈ ॥ Alimardan (a king) had a son whom the world knew as Taas Beg. ਬਚਾ ਜੌਹਰੀ ਕੋ ਤਿਨ ਹੇਰਿਯੋ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਰੁਦ੍ਰ ਰਿਪੁ ਤਾ ਕੌ ਘੇਰਿਯੋ ॥੧॥ He (Beg) came across the son of a jeweller and he was overpowered by the god of love.(1) ਤਾ ਕੇ ਦ੍ਵਾਰੇ ਦੇਖਨ ਜਾਵੈ ॥ ਰੂਪ ਨਿਹਾਰਿ ਹ੍ਰਿਦੈ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਵੈ ॥ He would everyday go to his house and find solace by seeing him. ਕੇਲ ਕਰੋ ਯਾ ਸੋ ਚਿਤ ਭਾਯੋ ॥ ਤੁਰਤੁ ਦੂਤ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਤਾਹਿ ਪਠਾਯੋ ॥੨॥ As he felt to make love with him to seek comfort, he immediately sent him his emissary.(2) ਦੂਤ ਅਨੇਕ ਉਪਚਾਰ ਬਨਾਵੈ ॥ ਮੋਹਨ ਰਾਇ ਹਾਥ ਨਹਿ ਆਵੈ ॥ The emissary tried hard but Mohan Raae (the boy) would not consent. ਤਿਹ ਤਾ ਸੋ ਇਹ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਉਚਾਰਿਯੋ ॥ ਤਾਸ ਬੇਗ ਤਾ ਸੌ ਖਿਝਿ ਮਾਰਿਯੋ ॥੩॥ When he conveyed the decision to him (Beg), he was perturbed and beat him up.(3) ਚੋਟਨ ਲਗੇ ਦੂਤ ਰਿਸਿ ਭਰਿਯੋ ॥ ਮੂਰਖ ਜਾਨਿ ਜਤਨ ਤਿਹ ਕਰਿਯੋ ॥ The emissary became furious on receiving the retribution and, ਮੋਹਨ ਆਜੁ ਕਹਿਯੋ ਮੈ ਐਹੋ ॥ considering him to be an idiotic, decided to do something. ਤਾ ਕੌ ਤਾਸ ਬੇਗ ਤੂ ਪੈਹੋ ॥੪॥ He told Taas Beg, ‘Mohan has consented to come today.’(4) ਯਹ ਸੁਨਿ ਬੈਨ ਫੂਲਿ ਜੜ ਗਯੋ ॥ ਸਾਚ ਬਾਤ ਚੀਨਤ ਚਿਤ ਭਯੋ ॥ Hearing this, his joy knew no bounds, as he took it to be true. ਲੋਗ ਉਠਾਇ ਪਾਨ ਮਦ ਕਰਿਯੋ ॥ He sent away the people and started to drink wine. ਮਾਨੁਖ ਹੁਤੋ ਜੋਨਿ ਪਸੁ ਪਰਿਯੋ ॥੫॥ Although human being, he had embraced the life of an animal.(5) ਮੋ ਮਨ ਮੋਲ ਮੋਹਨਹਿ ਲਯੋ ॥ ਤਬ ਤੇ ਮੈ ਚੇਰੋ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਗਯੋ ॥ (He thought,) ‘My heart is already in the hands of Mohan and I have become his slave since (I saw him). ਏਕ ਬਾਰ ਜੌ ਤਾਹਿ ਨਿਹਾਰੋ ॥ ਤਨੁ ਮਨੁ ਧਨ ਤਾ ਪੈ ਸਭ ਵਾਰੋ ॥੬॥ ‘Who-so-ever has a glimpse of him, sacrifices his own life over him.’(6) ਬਿਨੁ ਸੁਧਿ ਭਏ ਦੂਤ ਤਿਹ ਚੀਨੋ ॥ ਅੰਡ ਫੋਰਿ ਆਸਨ ਪਰ ਦੀਨੋ ॥ When the emissary judged he was totally intoxicated with wine, he broke an egg and spread it on his bed. ਭੂਖਨ ਬਸਤ੍ਰ ਪਾਗ ਤਿਹ ਹਰੀ ॥ ਮੂਰਖ ਕੌ ਸੁਧਿ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਪਰੀ ॥੭॥ He took away his ornaments, the clothes and the turban, and the fool remained unaware.(7) ਮਦਰਾ ਕੀ ਅਤਿ ਭਈ ਖੁਮਾਰੀ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਾਤ ਲਗੇ ਜੜ ਬੁਧਿ ਨ ਸੰਭਾਰੀ ॥ The intoxication through wine was so intense that, till morning, he did not regain consciousness. ਬੀਤੀ ਰੈਨਿ ਭਯੋ ਉਜਿਯਾਰੋ ॥ ਤਨ ਮਨ ਅਪਨੇ ਆਪ ਸੰਭਾਰੋ ॥੮॥ When the night had lapsed and the day broke, he managed to control his mind and body.(8) ਹਾਥ ਜਾਇ ਆਸਨ ਪਰ ਪਰਿਯੋ ॥ ਚੌਕਿ ਬਚਨ ਤਬ ਮੂੜ ਉਚਰਿਯੋ ॥ When his hand fell over his bed, the idiot thought over, ਨਿਕਟ ਆਪਨੋ ਦੂਤ ਬੁਲਾਯੋ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਕਹਿ ਭੇਦ ਸਕਲ ਸਮੁਝਾਯੋ ॥੯॥ And called over his emissary, who on query made him to understand thus,(9) ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ Dohira ਮਤ ਭਏ ਤੁਮ ਮਦ ਭਏ ਸਕਿਯੋ ਕਛੂ ਨਹਿ ਪਾਇ ॥ ‘You were totally under intoxication and would not remember. ਐਸੇ ਕਰੈ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਵਹੁ ਸਕੈ ਮੂੜ ਨਹਿ ਪਾਇ ॥ Such Chritars could not be discerned by that idiotic and under the ਮਮ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਸਦਨ ਆਯੋ ਮੋਹਨ ਰਾਇ ॥੧੦॥ ‘Mohan Raae, on my persuasion, had come to your house.(10) ਚੌਪਈ ॥ Chaupaee ਮੋਹਨ ਤੁਮ ਕੋ ਅਧਿਕ ਰਿਝਾਯੋ ॥ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਕਰਿ ਭਾਵ ਲਡਾਯੋ ॥ ‘Mohan gave you pleasure by indulging in various gesticulations. ਤਬ ਤੁਮ ਕਛੁ ਸੰਕਾ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੀ ॥ ਭੂਖਨ ਬਸਤ੍ਰ ਪਾਗ ਦੈ ਡਾਰੀ ॥੧੧॥ ‘You were never in doubt and you gave him all your ornaments, the clothes and the turban.(11) ਤਾ ਸੋ ਅਧਿਕ ਕੇਲ ਤੈ ਕੀਨੋ ॥ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਤਾ ਕੌ ਰਸ ਲੀਨੋ ॥ ‘You made love with him lavishly, ਬੀਤੀ ਰੈਨਿ ਪ੍ਰਾਤ ਜਬ ਭਯੋ ॥ ਤਬ ਤੁਮ ਤਾਹਿ ਬਿਦਾ ਕਰਿ ਦਯੋ ॥੧੨॥ and when the day broke you bade him good-bye.(12) ਤਬ ਤੇ ਅਧਿਕ ਮਤ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਸੋਯੋ ॥ ਪਰੇ ਪਰੇ ਆਧੋ ਦਿਨ ਖੋਯੋ ॥ ‘Since, then, you have been sleeping, nonchalantly, and half the day has gone by. ਮਿਟਿ ਮਦ ਗਯੋ ਜਬੈ ਸੁਧ ਪਾਈ ॥ ਤਬ ਮੋ ਕੌ ਤੈ ਲਯੋ ਬੁਲਾਈ ॥੧੩॥ When the effect ofthe intoxication wore off, you called me over.’(13) ਯਹ ਸੁਨਿ ਬਾਤ ਰੀਝਿ ਜੜ ਗਯੋ ॥ ਛੋਰਿ ਭੰਡਾਰ ਅਧਿਕ ਧਨੁ ਦਯੋ ॥ The imbecile was appeased on learning this and, from his treasure, gave him lot of riches. ਭੇਦ ਅਭੇਦ ਕਛੁ ਨੈਕੁ ਨ ਚੀਨੋ ॥ ਲੂਟ੍ਯੋ ਹੁਤੋ ਲੂਟਿ ਧਨੁ ਲੀਨੋ ॥੧੪॥ He did not distinguish between the truth and deception and squandered his wealth.(14) ਯਹ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਵਹ ਨਿਤਿ ਬਨਾਵੈ ॥ ਮਦਰੋ ਪ੍ਯਾਇ ਅਧਿਕ ਤਿਹ ਸ੍ਵਾਵੈ ॥ Now (the emissary) set off on this design everyday, and put Beg into sleep with excessive wine. ਸੁਧਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਭਯੋ ਤਾਹਿ ਜਬ ਜਾਨੈ ॥ ਲੇਤ ਉਤਾਰਿ ਜੁ ਕਛੁ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨੈ ॥੧੫॥ When he would realize he was in deep slumber, he would do whatever he liked.(15) ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ Dohira ਮਦਰੋ ਅਧਿਕ ਪਿਵਾਇ ਕੈ ਮੂੰਡ ਮੂੰਡ ਲੈ ਜਾਇ ॥੧੬॥ influence of wine got his head shaved off (lost all his wealth).(l6)(1) ਇਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਪਖ੍ਯਾਨੇ ਪੁਰਖ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰੇ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੀ ਭੂਪ ਸੰਬਾਦੇ ਇਕ ਸੌ ਪਾਚ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਸਮਾਪਤਮ ਸਤੁ ਸੁਭਮ ਸਤੁ ॥੧੦੫॥੧੯੬੨॥ਅਫਜੂੰ॥ 105th Parable of Auspicious Chritars Conversation of the Raja and the Minister, Completed With Benediction. (104)(1960) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 This chariter is highly significant. We have reference to paedophilia and grooming by a member of the ruling classes. Notice how the nonce Taas Beg is thwarted by his bullied aide. Notice how such people are described: ਮਾਨੁਖ ਹੁਤੋ ਜੋਨਿ ਪਸੁ ਪਰਿਯੋ ॥੫॥ Although human being, he had embraced the life of an animal.(5) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chatanga1 Posted October 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 This Charitar is one of the main ones that missionaries like to (mis)quote saying that it promotes homosexuality. There is more than one angle to this charitar. The one that comes straight to mind is that a young man is in love with another young man. Or possibly child as it refers to the person in question as a "ਬੱਚਾ". Other things that stand out is Ali "Mardan" which means "manly man." In farsi "ਮਰਦ " just means man but in Panjabi terms we look at it as a complete man. Very masculine etc. But. His son Taas Beg has feelins or desires towards another male. Now if we look at the other male, we are told its a child. So being told that its a child, are we being told of its innocence towards these matters? Also with it being a "jeweller" we know it to be of an inferior social standing. In Indic terms jewellers are seen are undependable and untrustworthy. So is it an attraction or infatuation involving someone stronger with someone more weaker and vulnerable? It seems that way to me. Now to me the above just seems like an intro to the charitar. It doesn't feel like Guru Sahib wants us to dwell on this introduction. Soon the charitar develops into a battle of wits between the Taas Beg and his servant. His servant ditufully acted out his duties in trying to arrange a meeting between his master and Mohan Rai. But with Mohan Rai not interested, the responsibility of ailure fell on the servants shoulders. He was beaten by Taas Beg for this from which he felt aggrieved. The rest of the story is how the servant used alcohol as a way of getting revenge on his master but also as a way of placating his master's desires. Every time the Taas Beg is in a drunken stupor, he is woken to be told that Mohan Rai has enjoyed his company and left. This feels more like the essence of the charitar to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, chatanga1 said: This Charitar is one of the main ones that missionaries like to (mis)quote saying that it promotes homosexuality. There is more than one angle to this charitar. The one that comes straight to mind is that a young man is in love with another young man. Or possibly child as it refers to the person in question as a "ਬੱਚਾ". Other things that stand out is Ali "Mardan" which means "manly man." In farsi "ਮਰਦ " just means man but in Panjabi terms we look at it as a complete man. Very masculine etc. But. His son Taas Beg has feelins or desires towards another male. Now if we look at the other male, we are told its a child. So being told that its a child, are we being told of its innocence towards these matters? Also with it being a "jeweller" we know it to be of an inferior social standing. In Indic terms jewellers are seen are undependable and untrustworthy. So is it an attraction or infatuation involving someone stronger with someone more weaker and vulnerable? It seems that way to me. Now to me the above just seems like an intro to the charitar. It doesn't feel like Guru Sahib wants us to dwell on this introduction. Soon the charitar develops into a battle of wits between the Taas Beg and his servant. His servant ditufully acted out his duties in trying to arrange a meeting between his master and Mohan Rai. But with Mohan Rai not interested, the responsibility of ailure fell on the servants shoulders. He was beaten by Taas Beg for this from which he felt aggrieved. The rest of the story is how the servant used alcohol as a way of getting revenge on his master but also as a way of placating his master's desires. Every time the Taas Beg is in a drunken stupor, he is woken to be told that Mohan Rai has enjoyed his company and left. This feels more like the essence of the charitar to me. I'd agree with most of that. Notice the use of the egg by the advisor, subtly indicating that Taas Beg's motives towards the jeweller's child were sexual. Also, the violent way in which Taas Beg reacts when the advisor first informs him of Mohan Rai refusing to go along with things gives an insight into his character. That he feels it is okay to violently abuse the messenger just because his lust is thwarted gives a deep insight into Beg's character. I notice the names Ali Mardan and Taas Beg sound Muslim as well. The way the advisor makes a fool of Beg is also empowering (given the power differentials) and suggests that such people being thwarted is a good thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 Quote This Charitar is one of the main ones that missionaries like to (mis)quote saying that it promotes homosexuality. That point is so ridiculous that it doesn't merit any further consideration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dalsingh101 Posted October 5, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 Bump this one up in light of the allegations of grooming and sexually predatory behaviour towards males. Thank you once again dasmesh pita ji, for keeping us informed and sharp. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dalsingh101 Posted October 5, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 @sarabatam Bro, do you think it might be a good idea to make a new thread with this information, explicitly warning young males and their carers about this issue and making it a sticky? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sarabatam Posted October 5, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 100% percent, totally agree. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kaur10 Posted October 5, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 I think we should all make efforts to raise awareness against sexual grooming and molestation that could happen in life. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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