Sikh preachers should talk about Hell.

[kidsama]

It's worrisome that so many Sikhs either don't think about hell or don't believe in hell. When the mention of hell comes in Gurbani, they may think it's figurative, and there is no actual physical place called Hell. But as many of you know, hell is real. It doesn't matter what you think or whether we believe in it or not, reality is one, and it doesn't change to your thought.

In Asa di Vaar, and Shalok Sheikh Freed Ke, and throughout gurbani, hell is made quite apparent. They say, you can hear people screaming in hell.

If you google whether sikhi believes in heaven or hell, this is what comes up, "Sikhs do not believe in heaven or hell. Heaven can be experienced by being in tune with God while still alive. Conversely, the suffering and pain caused by ego is seen as hell on earth."

And there are many articles that spread this type of thought, saying hell is just a "state of mind."

I would like to hear your guys thoughts. In my opinion, this (hell is just a mind state) is a very dangerous belief to have, and it's very worrisome. 

[Soulfinder]

1 hour ago, kidsama said:

It's worrisome that so many Sikhs either don't think about hell or don't believe in hell. When the mention of hell comes in Gurbani, they may think it's figurative, and there is no actual physical place called Hell. But as many of you know, hell is real. It doesn't matter what you think or whether we believe in it or not, reality is one, and it doesn't change to your thought.

In Asa di Vaar, and Shalok Sheikh Freed Ke, and throughout gurbani, hell is made quite apparent. They say, you can hear people screaming in hell.

If you google whether sikhi believes in heaven or hell, this is what comes up, "Sikhs do not believe in heaven or hell. Heaven can be experienced by being in tune with God while still alive. Conversely, the suffering and pain caused by ego is seen as hell on earth."

And there are many articles that spread this type of thought, saying hell is just a "state of mind."

I would like to hear your guys thoughts. In my opinion, this (hell is just a mind state) is a very dangerous belief to have, and it's very worrisome. 

Veer ji its a really important subject which you are 100% correct that nobody touches especially our religious preachers. 

 

Here is a few thread links i have posted on this subject which is worth looking at and hope helps it answer as i feel the same as you that everyone is not aware of the existance of hell.

 

 

 

[harsharan000]

3 hours ago, kidsama said:

I would like to hear your guys thoughts. In my opinion, this (hell is just a mind state) is a very dangerous belief to have, and it's very worrisome. 

It is very true what you say, but I would also add, that hardly anyone either talks about Waheguru, Nam, Shabad, and Sach Khand.

Gurbani clearly and repeatedly tells us what to do in order to please Him, thus get His kirpa and cross the Mahabhavsagar. Then, who is to be blamed? 

Kalyug is in full force, and if we do not profit ourselves from the Light of Truth as described in the Bani, we are likely to get derailed.

It is by taking the Medicine that one gets "cured", not by reading, or repeat it memorizedly, nor looking at the prescription; and no matter even if one does so 24/7.

On the other side, just by taking the 2 or 3 doses per day, as prescribed, one regains good health, which in our terms is "sanity".

Sarab rog ka aukhad Nam.

SSA.

[harsharan000]

 

Preachers may or may not talk of the hell.....

 

But Guru Jee for sure tells us that: 

ਨਾਉ ਤੇਰਾ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ਹੈ ਨਾਇ ਲਇਐ ਨਰਕਿ ਨ ਜਾਈਐ ॥

Naao Thaeraa Nirankaar Hai Naae Laeiai Narak N Jaaeeai ||

Your Name is the Fearless Lord; chanting Your Name, one does not have to go to hell.

 

Further on He tells us: 

ਜਮ ਦਰਿ ਬਧਾ ਚੋਟਾ ਖਾਏ ॥

Jam Dhar Badhhaa Chottaa Khaaeae ||

Bound and gagged at Death's Door, they are brutally beaten.

ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਕੋ ਸੰਗਿ ਨ ਸਾਥੀ ਮੁਕਤੇ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵਣਿਆ ॥੪॥

Bin Naavai Ko Sang N Saathhee Mukathae Naam Dhhiaavaniaa ||4||

Without the Name, there are no companions or friends. Liberation comes only by meditating on the Naam

 

Moreover, again He tells us:

ਜਮਕਾਲੁ ਤਿਸੁ ਨੇੜਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਜੋ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵਣਿਆ ॥੬॥

Jamakaal This Naerr N Aavai Jo Har Har Naam Dhhiaavaniaa ||6||

The Messenger of Death does not draw near those who meditate on the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. 

 

He clearly warns us, that only thse who meditate on His Nam, shall be saved, for even the messenger of death dare not come near them.

We do not have to be very intelligent, thus to understand, that those who do not do this bhakti as seen in the verses above, shall be drowned in the terrible hell of the wheel  of "chaurasee ka ckakar" where only severe pain and agongy exists.

What other bigger hell can there be? Guru Sahiban do not want to frighten us with te reality of hell, but rather motivate and uplift us, with  the gyan of ultimate Truth, His sachaa Nao.

Life by itself is a hell,  for we are already away from Him since so long, and alas, we do nothing to make the most of this golden opportunity of human birth,  by running after all other external practices, except that one, of the jaap of the gurparasd of His Nam, as per throughout the Bani.

 

Stay blessed.

SSA

[Soulfinder]

Dass found this katha track about ghosts where Sant Waryam Singh Ji mentions their dreams and a saakhi of Sri Maan Sant Baba Jawala Singh Ji Maharaj Harkowale

 

[Soulfinder]

Guru Gobind Singh Ji Ne Ghor Kalyug , Dharamrai Ate Jamdoot To Bachan Da Kehra Soukha Tareeka Dasiya

[chatanga1]

On 6/27/2020 at 4:01 PM, kidsama said:

It's worrisome that so many Sikhs either don't think about hell or don't believe in hell.

Missionaries are using misusing lines from SGGS to try and deny that hell does not exist. This needs to be countered by given correct explanations of gurbani.

 

One of the missionaries more common lines to use is :

ਕਵਨੁ ਨਰਕੁ ਕਿਆ ਸੁਰਗੁ ਬਿਚਾਰਾ ਸੰਤਨ ਦੋਊ ਰਾਦੇ ॥
(ਇਹ ਲੋਕ ਆਖਦੇ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਕਾਸ਼ੀ ਵਿਚ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲਾ ਸੁਰਗ ਮਾਣਦਾ ਹੈ, ਪਰ) ਨਰਕ ਕੀਹ, ਤੇ, ਵਿਚਾਰਾ ਸੁਰਗ ਕੀਹ? ਸੰਤਾਂ ਨੇ ਦੋਵੇਂ ਹੀ ਰੱਦ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤੇ ਹਨ;
What is hell, and what is heaven? The Saints reject them both.

 

Missionaries say that this line proves that there is no heaven or hell. But they mislead with the word "ਰਾਦੇ " (ਰੱਦ) which does not mean "reject" but means "ERASE" or "removed/destroyed" etc.

This line in Gurbani is saying that "the Saints have erased love/desire for heaven and fear of hell."

 

In the context of Bhagat Kabir Ji's shabad it is telling us about people's superstitions of dying in certain places which would determine what would happen to the soul after death of the body.

 

The whole Shabad:

ਤੂੰ ਮੇਰੋ ਮੇਰੁ ਪਰਬਤੁ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਓਟ ਗਹੀ ਮੈ ਤੇਰੀ ॥

You are my Sumayr Mountain, O my Lord and Master; I have grasped Your Support.

ਨਾ ਤੁਮ ਡੋਲਹੁ ਨਾ ਹਮ ਗਿਰਤੇ ਰਖਿ ਲੀਨੀ ਹਰਿ ਮੇਰੀ ॥੧॥

You do not shake, and I do not fall. You have preserved my honor. ||1||

ਅਬ ਤਬ ਜਬ ਕਬ ਤੁਹੀ ਤੁਹੀ ॥

Now and then, here and there, You, only You.

ਹਮ ਤੁਅ ਪਰਸਾਦਿ ਸੁਖੀ ਸਦ ਹੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

By Your Grace, I am forever in peace. ||1||Pause||

ਤੋਰੇ ਭਰੋਸੇ ਮਗਹਰ ਬਸਿਓ ਮੇਰੇ ਤਨ ਕੀ ਤਪਤਿ ਬੁਝਾਈ ॥

Relying upon You, I can live even in the cursed place of Magahar; You have put out the fire of my body.

ਪਹਿਲੇ ਦਰਸਨੁ ਮਗਹਰ ਪਾਇਓ ਫੁਨਿ ਕਾਸੀ ਬਸੇ ਆਈ ॥੨॥

First, I obtained the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan in Magahar; then, I came to dwell at Benares. ||2||

ਜੈਸਾ ਮਗਹਰੁ ਤੈਸੀ ਕਾਸੀ ਹਮ ਏਕੈ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਨੀ ॥

As is Magahar, so is Benares; I see them as one and the same.

ਹਮ ਨਿਰਧਨ ਜਿਉ ਇਹੁ ਧਨੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਮਰਤੇ ਫੂਟਿ ਗੁਮਾਨੀ ॥੩॥

I am poor, but I have obtained this wealth of the Lord; the proud are bursting with pride, and die. ||3||

ਕਰੈ ਗੁਮਾਨੁ ਚੁਭਹਿ ਤਿਸੁ ਸੂਲਾ ਕੋ ਕਾਢਨ ਕਉ ਨਾਹੀ ॥

One who takes pride in himself is stuck with thorns; no one can pull them out.

ਅਜੈ ਸੁ ਚੋਭ ਕਉ ਬਿਲਲ ਬਿਲਾਤੇ ਨਰਕੇ ਘੋਰ ਪਚਾਹੀ ॥੪॥

Here, he cries bitterly, and hereafter, he burns in the most hideous hell. ||4||

ਕਵਨੁ ਨਰਕੁ ਕਿਆ ਸੁਰਗੁ ਬਿਚਾਰਾ ਸੰਤਨ ਦੋਊ ਰਾਦੇ ॥

What is hell, and what is heaven? The Saints reject them both.

ਹਮ ਕਾਹੂ ਕੀ ਕਾਣਿ ਨ ਕਢਤੇ ਅਪਨੇ ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦੇ ॥੫॥

I have no obligation to either of them, by the Grace of my Guru. ||5||

ਅਬ ਤਉ ਜਾਇ ਚਢੇ ਸਿੰਘਾਸਨਿ ਮਿਲੇ ਹੈ ਸਾਰਿੰਗਪਾਨੀ ॥

Now, I have mounted to the throne of the Lord; I have met the Lord, the Sustainer of the World.

ਰਾਮ ਕਬੀਰਾ ਏਕ ਭਏ ਹੈ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਸਕੈ ਪਛਾਨੀ ॥੬॥੩॥

The Lord and Kabeer have become one. No one can tell them apart. ||6||3||

[satbachanwale]

The preachers never talk a out it because they have no first-hand experience of it just like everything else they preach about. They are not bramgianies or advance souls. Their knowledge is all parrot fashion learning!  They just repeat everything they have learned by rote in various different ways in various different times and venues. They never reflect on anything they learn that’s why they all come across as superficial unable to communicate a deeper understanding of Gurbani. Best is do your own reflections and meditations on what you learn yourself. This helps to expand your understanding and you are better able to make sense of the teachings.

[Soulfinder]

2 hours ago, satbachanwale said:

The preachers never talk a out it because they have no first-hand experience of it just like everything else they preach about. They are not bramgianies or advance souls. Their knowledge is all parrot fashion learning!  They just repeat everything they have learned by rote in various different ways in various different times and venues. They never reflect on anything they learn that’s why they all come across as superficial unable to communicate a deeper understanding of Gurbani. Best is do your own reflections and meditations on what you learn yourself. This helps to expand your understanding and you are better able to make sense of the teachings.

Veer ji you are 100% correct and spot on as i agree with you as they haven't got even 1% knowledge of our dharam granths nor they read from them is why they lack practical experience.

[Soulfinder]

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